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Originally posted by Office 4256
After seeing thread after thread on this, I've formulated a new standard to apply to this entire debate. When the "Birthers" come with documentary proof (not stories, but actual documentation from official sources) that Obama was born anywhere outside of US territory, I'll start paying attention. Until then, I'll join the other 93% of Americans who shake their heads and wonder why you have nothing better to occupy your time.
You continue to clamor that Obama must prove his place of birth, but you have it all wrong. The Federal Elections Commission is satisfied that he is a "natural-born" citizen. Actually folks, that's all that counts. YOU now have to prove he isn't. Hop to it!!
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by gemstone
And therein lies the problem. Everything documentation wise is under lock and key. So how do you propose anyone find anything about him when he has done such an excellent job of making sure everything is sealed?
Originally posted by debunky
reply to post by LookingAtTheSky
frivolous lawsuits that is, or else at least one of them would have made it to ... yknow court.
You see that is where all of you people just don't get it! They are not "frivolous". You all say that because you don't want to know the truth. If they "the ptb" were not so dam corrupt, they would hear the case. But you just keep saying duh OK! he would never lie to me. Duh, um, duh
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by grahag
So what I'm getting from your post is that if you were in Obama's place and were President, and there were people who had doubts about your citizenship, you would refuse to put the matter to rest once and for all? You would file for extensions in court cases and ask for them to be dismissed on lack of standing rather than let one case go through the trial process and prove that the claims were unfounded, thereby ending all of the questioning? You would do everything possible to prevent anyone from learning anything about you? You would show every sign of being guilty of something rather than prove your innocence? Please tell me I've misunderstood you.
If I were in Obama's place, I would have probably asked for a dismissal the first time or two someone tried to take me to court. But if there were still cases being filed I'd let it get in front of a judge, whip out that one little piece of paper that only I have access to, show it to the judge and thereafter be able to tell people to shove it when the judge decided the case in my favor. If I were in Obama's place and knew people thought I had gone to college and received aid for foreign students, I'd whip out those college records, block out any personal information that was irrelevant, and prove them wrong.
It's not a matter of trying to take away Obama's right to privacy, it's ensuring that the man in charge of our country should be in that position. If he has nothing to hide, and he shouldn't if he was born in Hawaii as he claims, then there is no logical reason whatsoever for him to not have allowed a court case to get in front of a judge and then showed that judge irrefutable proof that his claims are true. I don't want him to show me his records, I want him to show a judge and let it be decided on once and for all. If he's been telling the truth, he has nothing to hide and nothing to lose by showing a judge and getting a case decision in his favor.
As I said before, I can't say with any authority one way or the other what the truth is about his place of birth. My only interest in it is wanting the laws of our country followed, including those that dictate who can and who cannot be president. If he's eligible, great, settle it for heavens sake and put it all to rest for good. If not, then he needs to man up and admit it. As much as I dislike the man's policies, if he were to prove to a judge that he was indeed born in Hawaii and that claims otherwise are unfounded you'd never hear another word from me otherwise. I'd be right there with you and citing the court case to anyone who still questioned it.
Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by Jenna
His COLB is very suspect as anyone at the time could order one.
His own relatives have said he was born in Africa. Why would they lie?
Originally posted by Uniceft17The only thing i've seen is accusations by the fringe part of the right that have no evidence to back up their accusations.
Originally posted by Uniceft17
The burden of proof isn't on Obama, it's on the small right-wing fringe who are making the rediculous claims that its fake, he's not going to appease them because he isn't obligated to, he's showed his COLB to the proper athourities and that's that. Just like ever other president has, but for some reason when Obama is in office it's not good enough.
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
What is really interesting to me is how when its Sarah Palin, or any other conservative, the democrats and liberals say "She put herself in that position, she was in the media spotlight, her and her families privacy was forfeit when she became a candidate"