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Did you know? Obama’s half sister, born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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reply to post by andrewh7
 


Are you a citizen of Hawaii?

I am not a "birther" per se, I was just curious about the hubbub.

This is curious that the topic of Barack Obama's birth certificate did not become an issue until after he got into office.

Any one of the following is going on here :

A) No on bothered to do a sufficient background check on the soon to be head honcho.

or

B) This is partisan flaming based upon partisan rhetoric to defame someone who they oppose with nonsense to bring up issues of his legitimacy.

or

C) He started the damn rumor himself (or set his staff to do his bidding), to let everyone keep running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to prove or disprove his legitimacy.

Any of the three is a possibility. I bet he's up there in the White House just saying...

Dance little puppets, dance. Make such a lovely show for your master...

[edit on 30-7-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:36 AM
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reply to post by gravitybender
 


Who gives a damn! Get over it. I'm just glad Bush is out, and did you know Bush may have been born in Texas?

That's scary! I thought he was from hell!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by dpmduran
reply to post by gravitybender
 


Who gives a damn! Get over it. I'm just glad Bush is out, and did you know Bush may have been born in Texas?

That's scary! I thought he was from hell!


Nope, just from Texas, and that's scary enough.


Wait, no, Bush is not from Texas, his daddy was, Dubya is not a Texan, he's too damn lazy to be one.

I'm happier Cheney is gone, because at least Bush was just an idiot, Cheney was the creep pulling Dubya's puppet strings.



[edit on 30-7-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by ReelView
Speaking of Obama -- There was a lady interviewed last night on one of the news channels and she just beat the crap out of Obama. She talks about how corrupt his wife is and how much a lie her collage thesis was and stated that the "Old Boy" corruption was rampant throughout Obama's administration. All the announcer could do was role his eyes. Here name is Michelle Malkin.

michellemalkin.com...


I hear she eats puppies and sacrifices kittens to her dark god.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna
Wow... I do believe you've about made me speechless with the level of ignorance you show in that one sentence. I mean no disrespect, and I'm not attacking you in any way, so please don't misunderstand me.

Basically by your reasoning, no matter what a president does just being elected means they deserve to be there. So no matter what Bush & Co. did, he was elected so none of it matters. It doesn't matter that a bunch of elected officials in New Jersey just got arrested for corruption, they were elected so they deserved to be there. It doesn't matter what any of the other politicians who've been arrested for corruption, fraud, or other underhanded dealings did, they were elected so they deserved to be there.

Do you even realize the implications of what you said?


Don't read too much into what I said. It just means that by going through the process of becoming the president, he deserves to have the job. He has been vetted by the powers that be and was found to be a valid choice for President of the United States. Whether he deserves to STAY president will be up to the electoral college in 2012.


Originally posted by Jenna
And contrary to popular opinion, no one actually checks the eligibility of any presidential candidate. There's a bill in committee to require it starting in 2012, but as of right now there's nothing done to ensure the people on the ballot are qualified to be there. And before it's even mentioned, no there are not routine background checks ran on elected officials.


So there's no paperwork to fill out? I'm sure no one checked his credentials... My god! How did this man get to be a president! They'll let ANYONE be president!


If FOX News has it in the news, it's GOTTA be true...


www.foxnews.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by grahag

Don't read too much into what I said. It just means that by going through the process of becoming the president, he deserves to have the job. He has been vetted by the powers that be and was found to be a valid choice for President of the United States. Whether he deserves to STAY president will be up to the electoral college in 2012.


I didn't read anything into it. You said:


The fact that he was made president is good enough proof for me that he deserves to be there.


Bush was made president, so apparently he deserved to be there regardless of the recounts that were never completed or the lies he told during his first term. None of that matters, he deserved the presidency since he was elected the second time. The New Jersey officials who were arrested for corruption deserve their offices too. After all they were elected.


So there's no paperwork to fill out? I'm sure no one checked his credentials...


Yes, there is paperwork filled out declaring someone's intention to run for the presidency but no one actually verifies that the information on it is correct. There are currently no laws that require any presidential candidate to prove their eligibility. The FBI, you know that agency we have that's tasked with investigating domestic affairs, does not routinely run background checks on elected officials. Don't believe me? Have a gander over here.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Obama is american....

Newspaper

^^^^^^^
Link to an image of a newspaper in hawaii. Before you go and say the image could have been doctored or w.e do some research and there are multiple papers that have obamas birth in it. instead of trying to disprove it we should focus on proving it and then once we find out we cant prove it call it false.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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It's amazing that Obama paid his lawyers $960,000 to block a release of his birth certificate that would verify his eligibility to be president. Meanwhile newspapers post images of an Obama birth certificate.

Personally, I still don't trust the man. He's done more damage to the U.S. in a shorter amount of time than any other president in terms of a bad vision for the country, economic damage, Nationalization and centralized power, an attack on our wallets, and he's started a third war inside Pakistan.

Edit: Changed $960M to $960K.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by Dbriefed]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
To all of you who read this site, to all of you who are breaking the law and ignoring the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and have forgotten about THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, I have a message for you.


DO NOT MESS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
YOU WILL LOSE!

Watching,

Eye of Eagle




Which part of the constitution is being ignored?

Which part of the declaration of independance is being ignored?



You have got to be kidding or it sounds like you work for ACORN!

Eye of Eagle



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Uniceft17

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
To all of you who read this site, to all of you who are breaking the law and ignoring the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and have forgotten about THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, I have a message for you.


DO NOT MESS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
YOU WILL LOSE!

Watching,

Eye of Eagle




Quit claiming to speak for the American people, You don't speak for me, I speak for myself. And i bet anything 90% of American's don't believe in this hogwash. Just because you want to see his BC doesn't mean you get to, he's showed it to the proper athorities and it's real. Now go find something else like a REAL non-fabricated issue that needs more attention than this BC nonsense.


Can you prove right here on ATS that Obama did indeed show his ORIGINAL LONG FORM VAULT COPY OR A COPY OF HIS LONG FORM ORIGINAL ( CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ) to the proper authorities? And if you can prove this, which proper authorities did he show it to and if he did, they should have a copy of the original included with his paper work package when he decided to run for the POTUS.

There is no copy of his original long form certificate of live birth anywhere that has been seen by anyone that can or will provide 100% proof that it is real and that he was indeed born on US Soil!!!

Prove it! He has brought this upon himself by not providing it. If you wnat to blame anyone blame BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA/BARRY SOETORO/BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! If that is his real name? You can't even find proof that he legally changed his damn name back to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

You just know a person is up to something when they decide to run for public office and they don't want the press to mention their middle name during the campaign!!!!


The TRUTH will come out sooner or later, and if I am wrong about my opinion, I will ask the POTUS to come over to my house and have a beer!

Maybe?

Eye of Eagle



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
You have got to be kidding or it sounds like you work for ACORN!

Eye of Eagle


So you could not answer me so you just try to insult me? Golly gosh, I have no idea how to counter those razor sharp debating skills. How about you just tell me which part of each of those documents is being ignored here.

If you think I must be kidding, the answers should be very very very easy to find. Either do so, or do not bother responding to my request for it.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
Can you prove right here on ATS that Obama did indeed show his ORIGINAL LONG FORM VAULT COPY OR A COPY OF HIS LONG FORM ORIGINAL ( CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ) to the proper authorities?


Can you prove Obama was not born in the United States? Why is it that every time I ask one of you nutters for this, I am told you do not need to prove it? Ok, you are a child rapist. Going with your logic, I do not need to prove my accusation, you just need to prove your defense. I will be waiting for that proof.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jenna
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Apparently it's lack of reading comprehension. Show me where in that I make an actual claim about Obama's birthplace.


This is the best you can do? You are not even trying anymore. I believe I just pointed it out to you and gave you a chance to defend your own words. Instead of even addressing them, you just call my readin skills into question? I will show you again.


I look silly because I want the matter settled once and for all? I look silly because I want the Constitution and laws of our country followed? I look silly because I wish he'd show just one judge his long form so this whole thing can finally die?


Ok, I will ask one last time. What matter is it that you feel needs to be settled once and for all? You have no right to demand to see any such documents, yet you want the "matter settled."

I will ask one last time, what matter is that, exactly if it is not Obama's birthplace? Please, either answer the question or just go away. Do not U2U me just to tell me the same thing you already said twice here. I very clearly put your own words up there for everyone to see and asked you to clarify.

I ask for proof, clarification, answers to legit questions and the best any of you righties have done is toss back an insult or act indignant. How about you just back up what you say for once?

If you do not believe Obama is an illegal alien, then just what matter is it that you want settled? Are you saying he is American, just that he was not born?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Unit541

Originally posted by djusdjus
This all washes out as a bunch of brown horde fearing nonsense desperate to get rid of the black guy in office because there is ZERO political reason to do so.


Can you give a single political reason why he should stay in office? The only change we've seen in the white house is the color of the presidents skin. In fact, he's been less effectual than Bush was at actually changing things. Might have been for the worse, but at least the water wasn't stagnant.

It's got nothing to do with the fact that he's a black guy. It doesn't even have to do with the fact that he's accomplished absolutely nothing except ensure more generations of our children are born deeper in debt. It's got EVERYTHING to do with the fact that constitutionally aware citizens of this country have not been satisfied with evidence of this mans credibility.

Excuse us for not taking Mr. Gibbs' word for it. Excuse us for trying to put our government, that's run amok for so long, in check. Excuse us for attempting to enforce the US Constitution.

Y'know, we'd all probably be satisfied with the easily reproduced COLB put online months ago, if it weren't for the myriad of other inconsistencies surrounding the past of Barack Obama. The foreign exchange student that is a natural born citizen with 183 social security numbers and 478 places of simultaneous residence, who's home village in Kenya is erecting a monument at his other place of birth.

Without all that rust, the COLB would be more than satisfactory. Add all the other discrepancies though, and people want what he has sealed, to be unsealed, and they want to know why he'd seal it, then show us a

reproduction. Any free-thinking individual would want the same.



And the republicans are trying their best to make sure there is no "change"
It took a while for Bush to get us into this mess, and it's going to take even longer to get out of it!!! Did you expect a perfect ecomomy in just 6 months?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
Can you prove right here on ATS that Obama did indeed show his ORIGINAL LONG FORM VAULT COPY OR A COPY OF HIS LONG FORM ORIGINAL ( CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ) to the proper authorities?


Can you prove Obama was not born in the United States? Why is it that every time I ask one of you nutters for this, I am told you do not need to prove it? Ok, you are a child rapist. Going with your logic, I do not need to prove my accusation, you just need to prove your defense. I will be waiting for that proof.



Did I hit a nerve? For starters, the fake certification of live birth that was posted was proven to be a fake and the person who forged it has admitted to it.
He signed an Excutive Order sealing all of his personal records, even his college transcripts. There is a possibilty he received financial aid as a foreign exchange student at OX college. Finacial records on his Harvard years has yet to be disclosed.

His SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION card is said to be a fake and there is possible proof of that. The case is getting ready to go to court.
Now, if this gets to court and it is proven to be fake, One of two things may happen, Obama admits to forging a federal document and is charged with felony, or 2. Someone in Obama's staff filled it out for him, forged his name and Obama is still charged with a felony for not registering for SELECTIVE SERVICE when he turned 18 years of age.

If you do not know this by now then why are you even talking about this issue. Fukino in Hawaii will soon be asked to testify under oath, this issue is not going away and it is going to court. It will be heard and Fukino will have to put hand on BIBLE and swear oath to it and then we will see.


You simply cannot mess with the AMERICAN PEOPLE and THE CONSTITUTION and get away with it.


Eye of Eagle



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Unit541

Originally posted by djusdjus
This all washes out as a bunch of brown horde fearing nonsense desperate to get rid of the black guy in office because there is ZERO political reason to do so.

Wait a minute! Obama is not black! His dad was black and was a Kenyan National and his mom was a white American. So that makes him half black and half white! Right!

Eye of Eagle



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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So, Where's The Beef?

Here we are, 13 pages along in this thread and so far I haven't seen any evidence that the source article's claim is true.

Leaving aside the obvious question of how so much dialog could be generated on the basis of so little fact, I'm kind of hoping us ATSers can get to the bottom of all this.

Is it true that Maya Soetoro has a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth?

If so, where is it? What foundation is this claim based on?

I tried googling it and haven't found anything credible. Did I miss something? Can someone point out where the evidence is?

Can anyone -- anyone at all -- substantiate this claim, or is this entire thread based on a lie?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
Is it true that Maya Soetoro has a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth?


I found myself asking the exact same question. It appears the same individuals going on about how there isnt sufficient evidence of the presidents eligibility are very much open to the hollow claims of a blog. The idea that Maya Soetoro had an hawaiian birth certificate in the first place was pulled out of thin air by some individual on a blog. At the end of the day this isnt about whether Maya soetoro even has one, its just about bringing more attention to an already dead birther movement.

On another note statute 338 which grants foreign born children Hawaiian short form birth certificates was only introduced in 1982 and applied to all children under the age 18 years. So even if somehow they came up with Maya Soetoros "supposed" hawaiian birth certificate there still wouldnt be a case as Maya was 12 years old at the time the law came out, which made her qualify, and Obama being 21 years old could not (hypothetically had he been born off Hawaii soil).

Another dead end claim courtesy of the birthers.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Majic

I tried googling it and haven't found anything credible. Did I miss something? Can someone point out where the evidence is?

Can anyone -- anyone at all -- substantiate this claim, or is this entire thread based on a lie?



I wouldn't come onto a 'birth certificate' thread and expect any evidence. Unsubstantiated claims seem to be the basis of this entire ordeal.

Sad, really, that this is what ATS has turned into. I remember a time (not very long ago), when unfounded blog posts without sources or evidence weren't taken seriously. It would seem those times are lost.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate

If you do not believe Obama is an illegal alien, then just what matter is it that you want settled? Are you saying he is American, just that he was not born?


I said I wanted it settled, as in I want the whole mess to just go away once and for all. Not once did I say he was born in Kenya, not once did I say anything that even closely resembles a claim as to where he was born. So yes, I'd say there's a reading comprehension problem here when you take a sentence that says "I want the whole thing settled already" and somehow try to twist that into "OMG!!! He, like, totally wasn't born in the US!!1!1"

And frankly you're not one to talk about sending U2U's.




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