5 Freedoms You'll Lose In Health Care Reform

reply to post by WhatTheory

and they have been tolerated by the republicans because they have opened up an avenue to increase profits that some companies can bring in way above what a free market could provide!!!

hmos have not been "mandated" since the 70's!!
I've had some very good insurance since the 70's that were not hmo or ppo or such....and I've also had some jobs that offered no insurance....
this must just be another one of those urban myths started by the far right I guess....

gee, if our healthcare system is so grand, and everyone who needs care, can get it, just go to the emergency room....ummm....
why is this man having to resort to alternative treatments, instead of going through this great mainstream healthcare system...
why isn't disability, medicare, the all caring, all providing emergency room providing him with pain relief???

www.mycentraljersey.com...

I should try to track down this guy, he might be angry enough, and he should have access to a lawyer, and I think I can give him the roadmap to bring down the whole social service scam!!!
I bet if he brought up a lawsuit against the government, ya, know taking money from him, even though he has ms and can't afford his pain meds, so the little girl can pop out her next child...well....I bet he'd at least have his charges dropped, probably just as quickly as that little state congressman called the doctor after he hung up with me!!!

Originally posted by dawnstar
hmos have not been "mandated" since the 70's!!

Umm...Yes they were up to 1995.
Did you read any of the links I posted? Apparently NOT.

I've had some very good insurance since the 70's that were not hmo or ppo or such.

Mandate does not mean exclusive. Employers could offer other plans along side HMO's. BTW, PPO's and other similiar plans are considered managed plans like HMO's. It also depended on the number of employees a company had.

and I've also had some jobs that offered no insurance.

Again, if you would have read my links you would have known that it depends on the number of employees a company has.

Here is another HMO link

this must just be another one of those urban myths started by the far right I guess....

You would be guesing incorrectly then which is a common occurance for liberals.
How about you try actually reading some of the links I provided in previous posts regarding HMO's before you spew nonsense.

Originally posted by dawnstar
gee, if our healthcare system is so grand, and everyone who needs care, can get it, just go to the emergency room....ummm....
why is this man having to resort to alternative treatments, instead of going through this great mainstream healthcare system...

First of all, that article was about pot and gave no details about the guy or his situation other than he wants to use pot. So everything you just mentioned is moot until you can find some facts.

I think I can give him the roadmap to bring down the whole social service scam!!!

It's funny that you really believe you have some sort of power to do this.

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I told ya, whenever I hear someone spouting how oh, anyone who needs care can get it, well....
I know through experience that he is either misinformed or outright lying...I don't listen much longer...

Originally posted by dawnstar
I told ya, whenever I hear someone spouting how oh, anyone who needs care can get it, well....
I know through experience that he is either misinformed or outright lying...I don't listen much longer

Who was spouting anyone who needs care can get it?

In any system, there are always people who fall through the cracks or for some reason or another cannot get the help they need. Since this thread is about Obama's socialist program, I sure hope you don't believe that Obama's plan will cover everybody because that is just not true. Also, why would anyone want a suffocating government plan which will ration care. Just does not make sense. It's better to tweak our current system.

Originally posted by WhatTheory


In any system, there are always people who fall through the cracks or for some reason or another cannot get the help they need. Since this thread is about Obama's socialist program, I sure hope you don't believe that Obama's plan will cover everybody because that is just not true. Also, why would anyone want a suffocating government plan which will ration care. Just does not make sense. It's better to tweak our current system.

Do you by any chance work for an insurance company or something? Open you eyes man, your current system is made to make money of people being sick. That is all it is there for. In europe the system is there to avoid people getting sick, and this is what Obama is aiming for.



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Obama has said a few things that have given me the impression he is after the same ole, same ole.....
all his is doing is giving the healthcare industry another infusion of $$$$! and, well.....the cost of the healthcare is gonna continue to rise.....
making more infusions in the future even more necessary!!
as the cost of living continues to rise (healthcare is part of that cost of living), and wages stay dormant or even decrease, well....more and more are gonna be dependent on those gov't benefits, and less and less are gonna be contributing to the tax pools from which all these benefits are drawn....

there's no way we can keep going with the same ole, same ole! shifting the money around isn't gonna do it, we need to get the actually costs down!

thats so damn terrible

From the UK, here is the future of health care in the U.S. if obamacare passes:

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The Government's drug rationing watchdog says "therapeutic" injections of steroids, such as cortisone, which are used to reduce inflammation, should no longer be offered to patients suffering from persistent lower back pain when the cause is not known.

Instead the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is ordering doctors to offer patients remedies like acupuncture and osteopathy.

Specialists fear tens of thousands of people, mainly the elderly and frail, will be left to suffer excruciating levels of pain or pay as much as £500 each for private treatment.

The NHS currently issues more than 60,000 treatments of steroid injections every year. NICE said in its guidance it wants to cut this to just 3,000 treatments a year, a move which would save the NHS £33 million.

So, the government will be deciding if you should receive care for your conditions or not, and as we are seeing in the UK, the decisions will be made on the basis of cost and not compassion.

Plus, recall the provision in obamacare that forces "senior citizens" to consult with their (government) doctor on "dying with dignity". So, if the government decides to withhold pain killing treatments, it will make the government doctors job of talking people into dying (to save the government money) just that much easier.

Obamaphiles, starting to understand yet?




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I don't think the hard corp Obamaphiles will understand until death knocks on their door in the form of managed care. It would be better for Obama if the plan he has put forward fails.