Mer-Ka-Ba meditation from the Flower of Life workshop

Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by cindymars

 

Thanks for the input. He says one rotational direction is "male" and another is "female" but I still haven't caught the significance of this,

Yes see I got totally lost at this point, I became confused with it all, I remember having to imagine sitting in this triangle in the female rotation and just thought ...This is too much to think about. Now reading cindys reply (who I respect very much) its like what? Degrees? In meditation? I honestly dont have the time to think about all this...how do you? Does this really work if the time is put in?

Im almost sure life, meditation and enlightenment really is not meant to be this complicated, its simple and available to all. Infact when I am presented with complicated data promising enlightenment now I run a mile...sorry.



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MG let me tell you how hard this is. When I am in a pool, I cross my arms and spin CW and say with intention 33 1/3 degrees and then I spin CCW and say 11 2/3%...Not very hard but to each his own and it's also not something I do everyday.

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You thinking of it as complicated is the very source of the complication. I don't consider myself prepared to make full use of the meditation yet either but to prepare myself, I'm going to learn and memorize a few things so that they become "second nature" first. But I don't think of them as complicated, just precise. My body already seems much more complicated in its operation than this meditation, and it gets along beautifully.

cindymars, thank you very very much for posting that link. It's given me something to pour over. I like how its approach to explanation has a lot more technical structure to it. If Drunvalo associates himself with Melchizedek, I associate myself with Aquarius, and my "ruler" is technical Saturn. It's exactly how I like to learn.

I'll spend some time reading over as much of that site as I can, and compare and contrast it with what is in my Flower of Life book.

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That is a good idea.
It is always a good idea to have all available information.
Your a wise fellow. Not a wise guy. LOL

I had the same experience in hearing about, then reading about the merkaba meditation. too complicated. then one day, after a few years, suddenly i really wanted to learn to do it. I attended a Flower of Life workshop. Drumvalo no longer teaches these but there are a number of trained facilitators around the country who do weekend workshops. it is complicated because it generates a counter rotating electromagnetic field. they teach it to you in little pieces which you practice, along with lots of information about sacred geometry and other things. some of it depends on the individual teacher because everybody has favorite stuff. I believe anyone can learn to activate their merkaba from one of the workshops but i don't think i could have ever done it on my own. though not everyone will want to activate it.

drunvalo offers wonderful information and inspiration but i'm sue he's not for everybody. he definitely is not in it for the money and is a rotten salesman when it comes to books/products. in a way he's like that with everything. he presents it and you decide if you want to pursue it. it sounds like a couple of posters have had bad experiences but many of us him very helpful.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by 0123210
Indeed, and I told you what in the very first place : the symbology of his public name.

So, you take offense that he has taken the same name as a priest in the OT?

No. I feel driven to just giggle when a guy takes the name of the most mysterious, sacred figure of the entire Torah in order to sell books, dvd, and show up in public workshops. If Melchitsedeq was to return, I guess he would just act somewhat differently...

By the way, I've been personnaly introduced to geometrical mysticism through many other authors that Mister Drrrrunvaloooo conveniently almost never evokes, and whose works are most of time far more spiritually and/or intellectually astonishing than DM's truly are.

I've read countless things that never appeared in his books, either, but here would be a good place to talk about some of them. I'm interested to know.

A typical exemple, however possibly cryptically linked to the FoL so-called meditation could be taken in the little opus by Nicholas of Cusa titled Directio speculantis, seu De non aliud, 1462. While sctrictly theological/philosophical, the thesis is about the relationships of the mind with unity. This kind of theoretico-practical speculation about the mind's representation can easily be taken as a conceptual introduction about the conditions of possibility of DM's works, and more generally of all sort of mystical edifications.

An entirely different tradition such as the Chi'ite Sufism could be also considered as a good exemple of personnal testimony, done by highly ranked or famed muslim thinkers, about what Henri Corbin, french specialist who introduced most of classic ismaelians mystic texts to the West, decided to translate as the Imaginal Worlds and the experiences that human mind can have of'em. Even if geometry is almost completely ignored by such "psychonauts", their path of practice in many ways identifies itself with DM's axiology.

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Originally posted by bsbray11

Say for the sake of argument that he doesn't have anything against the other forms of knowledge, he just doesn't have time / room to put them in his books and still present the message that he wishes to present, having published only a few books anyway. What would you say to that?

Nothing.

I've spoken of Pythagoras and Plato, but could also be named : Euklides, Plotinus, Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, Proclus, Nicholas of Kues, Pico de la Mirandola, Johannes Kepler, Giordano Bruno and many others.

To be fair DM's books aren't about pure geometry itself. I've read some Plato, Kepler, I even own Euclid's complete Elements (is that who you mean by "Euklides"? Not sure). I also know a bit of alchemy, Qabbalah and Jungian psychology (none of which DM wrote about). But I think it IS fair to say a lot of the things DM says in his books aren't present in any of theirs, at least if what he says about his own work is true. I also find modern physics, quantum mechanics, those sorts of things highly interesting, even though Drunvalo doesn't cover those things either.

I agree. However all DM's stuff can easily be induced from the only so-called Flower of Life found on an egyptian wall he presents as a proof of the Philosophia Perennis (as Huxley would've said) that he tends to take as granted on this very sole basis.

"Nobody enters here who is not a geometer" : the magic of geometry is this possibility of infinite combinations that take place like from within the mind itself when confronted with its structural principles that geometry performatively manifests. Thus geometry was in most of ancient mediteranean civilisations (and not only the Classical Greece, which rather inherited post-babylonian/akkadian traditions through Pythagoras' extensive trips) the main way to sensibilize and educate young people to abstract principles, and the fact that within the human mind shines a light that geometry simply emphases.

To such an extend, DM's works are presented to the public as some miraculously restored wisdom while it is just the modern formulation of an indeedly multi-millenium wisdom that was central to most civilisations that preceded ours.

However Mister DM prefers to ride on the stealth horse of unsourced/unchecked theories (that sometime certainly are interesting) rather than building a strong exposé up about what he might have discovered

I knew going into the work that it was not going to be presented as scientific literature. The point he always makes is that you verify what he says personally, no need for him to go out of his way to prove anything to you. Most of it is based on the chakra system that many/most of us already DO have experience with. It's simply not an explicitly technical, scientific audience that he is trying to appeal to. I already have a good understanding of a lot of the other parts of it as well, there's just always the difference between theory and practice.

Well, in order to check out DM's theories for himself, one will have to... buy DM's books & DVD.

However DM's has this merit that he does contribute to some imo crucial knowledge that western populations have almost forgotten. And for this sole purpose I'm rather inclined to some sympathy toward him. This said, the concept of Merkaba IS NOT what he tells it is, and all his works are still more, at least to me, those of a rather mean link within a chain composed of many intellectual and spiritual giants that yet have to be fully integrated by our contemporary individual, as well as collective , Consciousness. With the risk of being redundant, this last consideration is also paradoxically why I still think DM is not entirely wrong in his purposes, even if he should only be recommended to absolutely absolute beginnners .


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To me DM is unconsciously being used by entities to have you reverse spin your merkaba fields.

Originally posted by cindymars
To me DM is unconsciously being used by entities to have you reverse spin your merkaba fields.

Cindy I no way understand this merkaba meditation, but what is the significance of reversing the spin of the merkaba field? Can you explain these fields to me and why a reverse spin is maybe not so good?


Why would an entity do this? And how?
Thanks MG

Originally posted by 0123210

Well, in order to check out DM's theories for himself, one will have to... buy DM's books & DVD.

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not true. most if not all tapes of his original lectures on flower of life are on youtube.

drunvalo would be the first to say there are other paths. he himself has studied all of them except that warrior monk thing. you clearly don't like him. fine. but that doesn't mean he isn't the real deal to many of us. if you were really as spiritually refined as you would have us believe, you wouldn't be so nasty about him.

btw, he got a degree in physics many years ago and is quite involved in sacred geometry. he doesn't feel the need to repeat every single thing he has ever learned because he knows you can learn those things elsewhere. lighten up.

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apparently there are some serious mistakes that can be made with the merkaba. i can't remember what they are but they will affect your physical health.

i know of no reason why drunvalo would teach reverse spin to his students, though if he did it would have been apparent by the trouble it caused. if you google it, you can find some information about some teacher who was teaching some incorrect material and he issued some warnings.

i wonder how cindymars "knows" this. who told her?

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by Mr Green

 

apparently there are some serious mistakes that can be made with the merkaba. i can't remember what they are but they will affect your physical health.

i know of no reason why drunvalo would teach reverse spin to his students, though if he did it would have been apparent by the trouble it caused. if you google it, you can find some information about some teacher who was teaching some incorrect material and he issued some warnings.

i wonder how cindymars "knows" this. who told her?

Yes and DM never had the courage to debate her openly.
All a matter of opinion but I felt I had to state my case.

Who is this DM? Is he/she a spiritual teacher? Is this his/her technique and how did they come across it?

I think ALL meditation techniques put our health at risk if we do them wrong, or some times even if we do them right, the change brought on in our spiritual awarness can cause physical side effects, so I dont think this technique is on its own if it causes this.

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by cindymars
To me DM is unconsciously being used by entities to have you reverse spin your merkaba fields.

Cindy I no way understand this merkaba meditation, but what is the significance of reversing the spin of the merkaba field? Can you explain these fields to me and why a reverse spin is maybe not so good?


Why would an entity do this? And how?
Thanks MG

MG first of all we are talking about a concept that is theoritical and we do not know if it even exist.
Let's say that it does exist.
It is a personal energetic vehicle and the direction it spins would determine the direction you are going.
I do not want my energy spinning downwards in to a blackhole vortex.

I apologize to DM's student above.
Clearly our teachers are of opposing opinions and you have been most courteous. I just back my teacher.
Everyone must decide for themselves.
Most FOL people I have know have been really cool.
Peace!

Originally posted by cindymars


MG first of all we are talking about a concept that is theoritical and we do not know if it even exist.
Let's say that it does exist.
It is a personal energetic vehicle and the direction it spins would determine the direction you are going.
I do not want my energy spinning downwards in to a blackhole vortex.

Ah I see now I think. The Mer-Ka-Ba is a set meditation, one related to energy fields and their direction they spin in, BUT there are many teachers of this technique..is that right? This DM is just one of many teachers, the technique is not his own so to speak?

The technique I tryed to follow was the one the OP posted. So that would be DMs technique. The one that in your opinion is spinning the wrong way. Well I never spun no where so I think Im safe lol

Originally posted by earlywatcher

Originally posted by 0123210

Well, in order to check out DM's theories for himself, one will have to... buy DM's books & DVD.

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not true. most if not all tapes of his original lectures on flower of life are on youtube.

drunvalo would be the first to say there are other paths. he himself has studied all of them except that warrior monk thing. you clearly don't like him. fine. but that doesn't mean he isn't the real deal to many of us. if you were really as spiritually refined as you would have us believe, you wouldn't be so nasty about him.

btw, he got a degree in physics many years ago and is quite involved in sacred geometry. he doesn't feel the need to repeat every single thing he has ever learned because he knows you can learn those things elsewhere. lighten up.

You'd be probably surprised to hear that actually I do like the guy for and by himself. I just find his stuff too vague, too simple, too lame to be really taken seriously.

On another side, I do and will always encourage any researcher to fiercely dig into geometry as well as meditation, - and the mix of both is a thing I do practice -as a kind of imaginal gym- for years.

So let's get on the core topic of this thread, and let me say that anyone, I mean specially any meditation beginner, that will try to draw/imagine any geometrical figure will find that it actually is astonishingly... simple ! With this tip in mind that one must not try it as on picturing thing on a plane as on something drawed on a paper sheet, but in the vivid, living 3D space of the mind with the Self as the 'orthocenter' of it, so to say, and the "consciousness tip", or the conscious "punctum", performing, if and when needed, the process of materializing the figure or the associated figures taken as the support for the meditation.

That's indeed imo a good path to do the very first steps (as well as maintaining some sort of psy-minimum on the long run) into the true Realms of what Henri Bergson (another rather mystic man) defined as the "Creative [if not Creating] Imagination". And that traditions from everywhere are speaking of for millenia. And in many occurences : yes, far better than Drunvalo does.




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Originally posted by 0123210
I feel driven to just giggle when a guy takes the name of the most mysterious, sacred figure of the entire Torah in order to sell books, dvd, and show up in public workshops.

Well you know, laughter is a passion.

Like I said before, I don't have a problem with him selling books, it's a tried and true method of disseminating information, and yes, 99% of the time you have to sell them, as opposed to printing them and just giving them away. When someone buys something they actually want it. When you give something away, more often it's going to wind up in the trash. I spent a whole $10 to buy one of his books, and the royalties he saw from that were maybe a dollar, if that.

I don't see how he would act any differently either. Forgive me for getting 'up in your business' but I genuinely feel as though your ego is attacking this man, not you, because there is something deeper that you resent about him. Your problems with him are not legitimate spiritual concerns imo.

A typical exemple, however possibly cryptically linked to the FoL so-called meditation could be taken in the little opus by Nicholas of Cusa titled Directio speculantis, seu De non aliud, 1462. While sctrictly theological/philosophical, the thesis is about the relationships of the mind with unity. This kind of theoretico-practical speculation about the mind's representation can easily be taken as a conceptual introduction about the conditions of possibility of DM's works

I only have a few observations to share as I read this paragraph. First of all it is very technical. I like technical knowledge, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. But then you mention things in a technical respect that I would not personally approach from such a distance ('thesis about relationships of mind and unity'), that I have had more intimate experiences with, that Drunvalo also teaches much more personal relationships with, with or without a technical explanation. It's hard to think of a good analogy, but imagine you are trying to console your dying mother with theories about what she may be about to experience when she dies. No one's mother is dying (at least I pray not among us) but I still have lost interest in the technical aspect of certain subjects because of other modes of understanding. A lot of medieval and Renaissance work paved the work for us today, but I honestly do not think most of those people had access to nearly as much information as ALL of us do now. And even if what you are describing really is an appropriate and not outdated 'conceptual introduction' to the 'conditions of possibility', I already intuitively understand the conditions of the possibility well enough that I take it for granted that a living merkaba is very possible and I will pursue it through meditation and whatever other resources I can find to assist that.

I think you posted too many names and dates. That is really what I was honestly thinking, as I read over your response. I know there is lots of technical matter out there to pour over but I've already spent some years reading more books than I can remember and I pick and choose where I want to invest that much effort anymore. If it's not covering any new and vital ground to me in a very deep way then I'm liable not to find much interest in it, and that's just something I have to personally judge, no one else knowing what I understand and do not understand better than myself.

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I think the issue is being greatly misunderstood no matter what the "correct" spin is.

The nature of this field is that it is alive, every bit as intelligent as yourself, and can cause physical changes fitting (coupled) to your very intent. A CW or CCW spin is not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference in this context imo. It's not going to make your merkaba inherently evil. What difference it does make, if any appreciable one at all, is something that I have yet to understand, but just remember you are talking about 3D when this thing and your very consciousness itself extents all the way to dimensions that we consciously have no awareness of at all at this point in time. But we HAVE to be connected to it, to be conscious in the first place.

Also the star tetrahedron itself is not the only shape relevant to this, and Drunvalo tells you this himself in his books, that there will be people who find other ways to develop other merkabas, and that is perfectly fine. Shapes and spin directions are just mental preference imo, though these also have implications as to your state of consciousness. That is the only difference. But those implications, again, I do not understand what is inherently different between CW and CCW in a physics kind of sense.

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Oh I am sorry but I adamatly disagree that the direction is irrelevant.
Would it be irrelevant if the Earth or the Moon chose to spin in a different direction or the ocean currents.

Which direction you choose is up to you but IMO not irrelevant.

i loved the flower of life books for the actual geometry of life lessons that are in there. however, i never beamed to any other dimensions or universes, and i never had a conversation with my higher self. i DID get a new sensation that i can call up at will, now. like gooseflesh chills, but without the goosebumps, and a little more 'electrical' feeling. the sensation was particularly novel on the skull, which has never gotten 'chills' before.
once i went into a completely black windowless room in the basement to do it. i was in there for about twenty minutes, when i started to notice some faint light from across the room. it was coming from some glow in the dark rubber toy figures. these toys had been in complete darkness for at least a day prior to this. it seems to me my 'merkaba' may have charged them up! i was pretty freaked out about it at the time.
that said, i have read things on line that say drunvalo is a CIA asset involved in mind control programs.
i don't think i trust him. i think he might be one of those guys that tells 80% truth so you will believe the other 20% lies.
there was a whole lot of ugliness that sprouted out of his FOL workshops. that whole "reverse spin" thing.
he has too many fantastical, unverifiable stories for my taste. thoth just appearing and disappearing over his shoulder. egyptians and christ consiousness and tunnels to agartha in the great pryramid. indigo children coming to save the world. just too much 'flake' for my intuition.
i don't want to be too hard on him, though. i did experience 'something' doing the meditation, and my whole outlook on reality was changed by the actual realisation of the 'absolute' truth of the geometry he points out.
check out 'cymatics' and fourier analysis.
just get the concept, don't worry about the actual math, lol. the idea is that any complicated waveform can be broken into it's constituent parts, and in reverse, simple sine waves can produce extremely complex waveforms by modulating one another.
simpler still, EVERYTHING is made up of vibrations, and all vibrations are sine waves. the flower of life diagram is made with sine waves.
the platonic solids show how energy would be 'solidified' along certain pathways in 3D more than others, as is also shown with cymatics in 2D.
the flower of life and metatron's cube and whatnot are awesome at helping visualise how a figure in a given dimension will appear in a lower or higher dimension.
i highly recommend studying drunvalo's work, but i don't recommend taking his opinions and baseless 'facts' as fact.