reply to post by Dragonfly79
What I learned through Genpo Roshi's Big Mind Big Heart process, is that there are primarily two aspects of the self, which may be likened to the
gatekeepers or the guards of the gateless gate. They may be thought of as the controller-protector, and the ever seeking mind, the first I think of as
the "It-self" mind, or the recorder who think's it's the real you, the voice in the head, which is always judging, evaluating, and keeping watch
and who sees it's job as the one who protects the self from threat (in this case the possible dissolution of itself as THE self) by maintaining
control at all cost, and the second, the ever-seeking mind, which is never satisfied, and forever seeks, presuming that increasing knowledge is the
So by distinquishing the controller and the ever seeking mind, apart from the real you or the non-grasping, non-seeking unborn undying mind of the
Yingyang Buddha-Tao, it just might be possible to simply ask the controller part to silence all the other voices, including itself (asking it to
control which is what it does best), and then by simply asking ie: may I please access the gateless gate, find the gateless gate - of course this is
easier done when facilitated by a third party! That's the "Big Mind Big Heart" process anyway, which seems to work by distancing the gatekeepers
from the gateless gate, enough to gain access to it.
reply to post by theprofessionalnyc
I think there may actually be a way to seek it, and find it serendipitously (the faculty for discovering hidden treasure not sought after).
This nature resides in the depths of every person, and is in fact, the commonly shared ground of all being and is exists within the relative
framework of human being
, or the place where we become one, and in the process share the same space with the all in all (Tao).
Separation however, is the problem, due almost exclusively to our preoccupation with the self, and the distinction between self and other, and so our
listening when sharing ourselves with another is corrupted by self-talk, evaluations, judgements, comparisons, the need to look good, be right, etc
etc. and even our so-called professions of love for another are in most cases self serving at some level, even in relation to our own family and our
own children, where some might even suggest that all human love is conditional in some way, relating back to the self, for various reasons, including
self preservation, and powerful socially imbedded dynamics, like the power of peer pressure and other group dynamics, and of course we're afraid to
be alone, and are generally desperate to be loved, and accepted, and these are all part of being human, and yet in terms of the ego dominated mind,
they are all obstacles and hindrances or constraints, to the non-seeking, non-grasping, unborn undying mind of the Buddha-Tao.
So here is novel spin on it, which by some traditions isn't new at all.
Look for it in the other, by fully accepting them and the whole ego as is, recognizing that beyond it, is this timeless spaceless beingness which is
the very ground of being that we all share. "Namaste" captures this sentiment perfectly, but what I'm suggesting here, is that to actively practice
it at all times in our relations with others, ANY others, we CAN "practice" leaving self behind in search of the Buddha in others, and with
practice, increase our capacity to surface it, for no other reason than to share it or "grok" it WITH them, without of course ever naming it, or
operating with a hidden agenda.
Full acceptance of the other, and total listening, and looking for it in the other, this is the best way to discover it, or to be discovered by it,
because this requires by neccessity, that self is left behind, and the gate, the space between the two, in authentic loving mutuality, will open right
up, in accordance with our love, and in the process we will learn love, and to fully love as we are loved, since we really are in truth, love itself!
And when this flower of loving mutuality opens, then we become the Bodhisatva through the unfolding present moment in history.
Think about it - every aspect of another person which you dislike is really a trigger regarding something within which we do not like or have disowned
within ourselves, and we all have it ALL in all of us let's be honest, no one is, at core, any better or any worse than anyone else, and so if we can
REALLY level the playing field, and get present to the presence of unconditional love and absolute acceptance of the other, then that field becomes
automatically, the very same ground of all being which we share at bottom, and since a primary human motivation is to love and be loved, then it is
also in full accord wtih our most authentic and natural self, plus it makes the world a better place, and increases the prospect of Liberation for all
beings - because in seeking out the Buddha in this way, once he can be found everywhere, then it's a job well done!
There is always a final attachment to an outcome, this is unavoidable, and we need something to do, that doing is authentic love, love for our
neighbor as self, and in that way, love of "God" (Tao) just takes care of itself automatically, and in fact cannot be distinguished from the former.
Imho, this is by far superior to sitting meditation, trying to get to the root of self within the self, for the sake of the self, seeking it within -
all of which is absurd, & to heck with the 'tradition' that's not what Zen's about anyway.
"Grant that I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted;
to understand, than to be understood;
to love, than to be loved.
For it is by self forgetting that one finds.
It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
It is by dying (to self) that one awakens to eternal life."
"I'll meet you in the middle!"
~ from the movie "Braveheart"
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