Two gay men kicked out of Chico's Tacos restaurant for kissing

Originally posted by Bullhorn
reply to post by ShadeWolf

 

Why don't you just look the other way if it bothers you this much?
I really don't see your problem.

[edit on 10-7-2009 by Bullhorn]

Because I just puked up my lunch?

Totally inappropriate behaviour in a family restaurant.

Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

I think your purposely missing the point. And that seems to be what the whole "kiss" was about a public, in your face display.

Look no more than you want to see me schtupping my wife in public, I don't want to see gay men displaying their affections in public...

Would I defend a gay man in public if he was being hassled or harrased by bigoted heterro's, you damn right I would...we all should be treated with respect and dignity, whomever we are...

Having said that, there is a time a place for everything...Chico's is not that place...there are people there that just want to go out spend their money and have a good evening ...where is it written that you have a right to ruin my evening by showing me something I know exists but I don't want to see.

where's your common sense?

Your post deserves repeating. Average people don't want to see anyone swapping spit, and certainly not when you are about to eat. It really has nothing to do with their sexual preference. I was at a casino a few weeks ago and a girl was sitting on a guy's lap a few machines down from me and they were making out. It was very distracting, I wanted to tell them to get a room, but instead I just moved. If I was in a restaurant and the same thing was going on I would move or leave altogether. If I had paid for my food already, I would ask the manger to intervene.

I think a better question asked is would a straigh couple get kicked out of the resaurante for kissing?

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Now, please go spit your venom elsewhere...be sure to remove your foot, first.

Try and make me pal

I have a right to comment, and if that's all you can attack from my comments then I think I did pretty darn good.

So try your bully pulpit on someone else.

Did you not read his post where he completely refuted your statement that most serial killers are homosexual?

The aversion to your comments stems from the fact that you state opinions as facts and don't offer proof for your arguments, especially when your opinions carry such a heavy connotation.

If you could do everyone here on ATS a favor and provide a link showing that 95% of serial killers are homosexual and also provide some sources for your argument that human sexuality is a conscious choice, I would greatly appreciate the effort.




By the way, when you chose to be straight, did you also consider bestiality or pedophelia?

Just curious.

reply to post by John Matrix

Just to repeat...most gay people have no gay influences in their lives until quite late...late teens if lucky and early twenties. A lot have never met a gay person, seen a gay person in real life until then. Some have nobody gay in their small town/community (that they know of). Ask some gay people when they knew they were 'different' and when this 'difference' became a realisation that they were attracted to the same sex. You can believe it's impossible to know what you are at a very young age, but I know for a fact that this is very true for some.
A lot of gay people go through sheer hell knowing that they risk being ostracised by society, friends and family. If you knew of the torment you would never dare to say it was a choice.
Your preoccupation with child abuse is quite worrying let alone ridiculous. Are heterosexuals all abused by heterosexuals in order for them to 'learn' what their sexuality is. It is sad that you seem to assume that all relationships are purely about sex. Maybe they are for you. But some actually also connect emotionally and spiritually with others, same sex or opposite.
You just can't seem to get your brain round it. Gay people are born gay. It happens in nature therefore it is natural. If there is a God, God made gay people gay. Deal with it.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by John Matrix
You are not born Gay anymore than you are born with the knowledge to understand the internal workings of an electric motor or a car engine. You learn it!! You learn to be Gay as a boy when Gay men manipulate and entice you into their paraphilic lifestyle.

What utter tripe! You do not 'learn' to be gay, either you are or you are not! I did not 'learn' it from gay men. I was not enticed and manipulated in any fashion. I never even met another gay man until I was an adult. I went through puberty convinced that I was the only one on the planet (very different time then). Also your little dig calling it a "paraphilic lifestyle" shows me that you Sir, are a BIGOT! Considering that the vast majority of sexual deviants are heterosexual, maybe you should be more concerned about how they were manipulated and enticed into such behavior!

We all go through life feeling that we are somewhat different and looking for acceptance. Unfortunately you heard about Gays and decided you would go down that road and get the acceptance of other Gays.

Sorry, you learned about it. Then you decided to indulge in it a bit more, and then you learned how to get sexual gratification from other men, and how to give it

You were not born knowing that your little "johnson" goes into someone Else's ______.

The Gay lifestyle is destructive. It causes hemorrhoids and spreads disease, and that can't be seen as good for anyone.

Gays cannot procreate, therefore they recruit young boys into the "lifestyle".

You can call me all manner of names if you like, but it will get you nowhere with me. I have a right to voice my opinion respectfully and in accordance with the rules.

I don't care if anyone is Gay, I just don't want them controlling politics and getting into my face with it.

I don't even mind the Gay channels on TV because I can turn the channel to something more wholesome, like hetero porn.

Yes I'm a bit homophobic.......but I can't help it.
I was born that way.

reply to post by John Matrix


Pure, unadulterated, religiously-fueled ignorance and bigotry.

Nothing else to see here, people....show's over! Move along, move along...

.......OK...shhhh.....everyone's gone. Got some hetero porn for ya here, Buddy! I know your taste...a little of the nudge, nudge, wink, wink, eh?

Praise the Lord, hail Jesus! Tithe your ten percent, look good to your bretheren....but in the dark, with the door closed, get your jollies on all manner of the sweet, sweet porn! You betcha, Sunshine!

Yeah....you said it, not me. Porn. Enjoy!!

Originally posted by oneclickaway
reply to post by John Matrix

 

Just to repeat...most gay people have no gay influences in their lives until quite late...late teens if lucky and early twenties. A lot have never met a gay person, seen a gay person in real life until then. Some have nobody gay in their small town/community (that they know of).

You just can't seem to get your brain round it. Gay people are born gay. It happens in nature therefore it is natural. If there is a God, God made gay people gay. Deal with it.

Just because Gay people say they are born that way does not mean it is a fact.

Of course they are going to say they were born that way, becaue it supports their denial of having the Gay paraphilia.

I don't buy it. It's a lifestyle choice. At some point in your life the thought enters your mind. Then you entertain that thought until it takes root. Then you seek the water to make the root grow (other Gay men). Soon a passing thought grows into a vast tree with a big root system inside your brain which manifests as the Gay paraphilia, and presto, you are Gay!! You are not born that way.

However, I was born with a repulsion for people prone to attacks of anal / cranium inversion.

reply to post by oneclickaway


My sister had to raise her son alone, and when he was about 12 a gay neighbor befriended her, we thought. He was really nice to her and her son, bought them gifts even took them on trips, as he was financially able to do so. Turns out it was all about the grooming. And this guy had plenty of adult boyfriends, but he molested my nephew. To top it off, there were two men living on the other side of the condominium complex who ALSO enticed my nephew with money and gifts, and got him to "do things" -- these two gay guys didn't know the other so it wasn't some type of conspiracy.

Maybe I should have said first, when he was about 10 years old his doctor felt he had some emotional issues and admitted him to Children's Medical Center, supposedly a well-reknown facility for children. The nighttime male nurse molested him and two other boys, and this nurse was married!!

Now let's talk about homosexuality and pedophilia having absolutely no connection. On second thought, don't waste your time talking it to me, because I am a brick wall.

My nephew took his life a year and a half ago at the age of 29.




[edit on 10-7-2009 by Bombeni]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by John Matrix

 

Pure, unadulterated, religiously-fueled ignorance and bigotry.

Praise the Lord, hail Jesus! Tithe your ten percent, look good to your bretheren....but in the dark, with the door closed, get your jollies on all manner of the sweet, sweet porn! You betcha, Sunshine!

Yeah....you said it, not me. Porn. Enjoy!!

Hmmm? You sound very religious about your Gay position. I never mentioned religion. That's for another topic.

Are you done yet?

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by oneclickaway

 

Maybe I should have said first, when he was about 10 years old his doctor felt he had some emotional issues and admitted him to Children's Medical Center, supposedly a well-reknown facility for children. The nighttime male nurse molested him and two other boys, and this nurse was married!!

Now let's talk about homosexuality and pedophilia having absolutely no connection. On second thought, don't waste your time talking it to me, because I am a brick wall.

My nephew took his life a year and a half ago at the age of 29.
[edit on 10-7-2009 by Bombeni]

You are right on the money. I know from first hand excperience too. When I was young I was a very good looking athletic kid and Gay men eye balled me and made comments all the time. But I was street wise and told them where to put their weenees.

[edit on 10/7/09 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by oneclickaway

 

Maybe I should have said first, when he was about 10 years old his doctor felt he had some emotional issues and admitted him to Children's Medical Center, supposedly a well-reknown facility for children. The nighttime male nurse molested him and two other boys, and this nurse was married!!

Now let's talk about homosexuality and pedophilia having absolutely no connection. On second thought, don't waste your time talking it to me, because I am a brick wall.

My nephew took his life a year and a half ago at the age of 29.
[edit on 10-7-2009 by Bombeni]

You are right on the money. I know from first hand excperience too. When I was young I was a very good looking athletic kid and Gay men eye balled me and made comments all the time. But I was street wise and told them where to put their weenees.

[edit on 10/7/09 by John Matrix]

I know exactly what you are talking about. I'm a mom and my two sons were above average handsome boys. I had to watch them like a hawk to protect them from homosexuals. I will never forget as long as I live, I had a legal issue once and went to an attorney who a friend knew. This friend had told me he was gay but I didn't care about that. The guy was literally foaming at the mouth, staring at my son who was about 9 or 10 at the time. He even said, and God is my witness, "wow you have a very attractive son" -- he couldn't keep his eyes off him, even my son was squirming in the chair from being so uncomfortable about it. I hurried the issue up that I was there to see him about and found another lawyer. The facts are the facts. That wasn't my only experience. You have to watch little boys closer than little girls these days.

reply to post by John Matrix


I have to say John Matrix even Commando would be able to see the leap of Human Instinct.

Do you agree that human beings are BORN with the knowledge to reproduce?

You know like the blue lagoon where you do not have to explain the birds and the bees that humans are animals and we come pre wired with the knowledge to "do it"?

If you DO agree that humans are born with the instinct to reproduce you would consider it possible that some humans are born with the instinct to reproduce with those of the same sex.

Yes it IS unnatural but then again so would be intentionally having sex simply to get high off the drug of the orgasm.

Like 99.99% of the worlds population does. Or masturbation.

Until we as a society can understand that being gay is not a "choice" then it can never be considered something given equal status to woman's rights or black rights.

I feel bad for the single Mom with the relative who was molested by 4 different men. I am a straight male and have never had the desire to molest or touch young girls inappropriately. Or touch or molest women inappropriately. It is not because I am Hetero. It is because I am decent.

There is no package deal that attraction to the same sex comes with attraction to pre-pubescence. That is just a bad combination. And one that exists. Much like straight pedos exist.

Please do not use that as a reason to mistrust all gay men. It is akin to calling all Blacks "Gang Bangers" because you were held up three times at the ATM by Blacks.

reply to post by TurkeyBurgers


I would like to make a quick reply to your cordial post.

It is my opinion that many of these homosexuals who have this fondness and attraction for boys, had the very same thing happen to them. Matrix is right about boys being recruited by homosexuals; perhaps they learn to like and don't want to lay it off on "well I am homosexual because I was molested" -- that would somehow discredit their lifestyle as being something they were just "born with" wouldn't it?

Originally posted by kiwifoot
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Okay, it SHOULD be the same as if a hetero couple were kissing. But it isn't, we as a society are still uncomfortable with it, our children would be too.

There have been a lot of advances by the gay and lesbian community on the issue of their rights. This falls under that, but I think they need to advance their cause in increments, and I'm sorry, mainstream society isn't comfortable with public displays of gay affection at the moment.

This may result in more damage to their cause than good.

Of course it is wrong for them not to be able to show affection, but society has just got used to the idea of seeing gay couples walking hand in hand, pathetic I know, but that is where we are at the moment, trying to force this issue will seriously backfire I feel.

When trying to argue against a stubborn and hostile foe, it's sometimes better to lead them by the hand slowly, rather than pull them kicking and screaming.

Good luck to them anyway.

[edit on 10-7-2009 by kiwifoot]

This sums it up for me... one thing is "us" as individuals other thing is "us" as a society.

Btw is this a coincidence or theres at least one post about gays once a week? theres always something about gay ppl once a week lol... isnt that weird? Or is it just me?

Pedophilia and homosexuality are two completely different things. Though the connection is easier to see with men who like other men compared to men who like other boys, would you say that, because the majority of the population is heterosexual, you have to keep a close eye on your 7 year old daughters? The idea is absurd -- just like you are attracted to the opposite gender around your age, so, to, are homosexuals. It's a whole different step to go from liking mature folks to liking children, and the psychological roots are dramatically different, so far as I can understand.

As to this particular restaurant, I've seen people kicked out of places, for public displays of affection. I currently work at Starbucks, and heard of a story (I wasn't there) where two people, a guy and a girl, were obnoxiously making out. One of the baristas walked over to the table and sat down opposite and just stared, hoping to make them grossly uncomfortable with what they were doing. It didn't, so they kicked them out of the store.

For whatever reason, I've noticed a lot of gay "pride" seems to stem around this idea that their right to sexual attraction isn't that they can be attracted to one another, but that it can be overt, public, and grotesque. If you look at most news footage of gay pride parades, there's a huge amount of flesh and a huge amount of sexual contact.

Most gay folks I know are not like that whatsoever. Actually, all gay folks I know. There's just this obnoxious few who insist that you not only be okay with them being gay, but that you be okay with them screwing on your counter. Unfortunately, it's those few who get the camera time (who cares about Joe Smith who is just marching in his work clothes?) and the publicity.

I can understand why the restaurant wanted to refuse service.

Now Im not antigay,I believe live and let live even though a person will burn in hell for sodomy, but while Im eating i dont want to see two guys making out.

I was in a restaurant here ordering a pretty pricey dinner for me and my date and couple friends.
After we had sat down, we got a couple drinks, and ordered our meals. As we sat there tlakinga nd enjoying our drinks waitintg on our food, 4 guys at the table next to us started kissing and talking about butt sex and blowing each other and many other things I do not want to hear about while eating. So we called the waitress over, paid for the drinks, explained why we were leaving and went to Applebees. The combined ticket for drinks and food would have been well over 50 dollars. But no one wants to hear about butt sex while trying to enjoy a meal and fudge brownie for dessert.

SO i cant blame the taco establishment, It's bad for business.
now the officers, thats a different story, officers are to be bipartison to these types of issues, they should be fired.

Oh yeah, I support gay marriage as long as both chicks are hot.


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Originally posted by John Matrix
Where did you ever get the idea that children can know they are gay at 5 years old?

Maybe from actually talking to someone who is gay, which it's apparent that you have never done.

A child who knows what it is to be Gay (and choses to be Gay) at 5 years old, or 13 years old, is obviously confused and the victim of child abuse and/or neglect.

Wow, now that's one of the most ignorant statements that I've read in a very long time! First, no one chooses to be gay, any more than someone chooses to be straight. Secondly, I had my first 'impulse' at 11 years of age. Confused? You betcha! But this was long before you heard anything about homosexuals in the media, and it was a 'taboo' subject everywhere else. As for child abuse or neglect, not a chance! I had two very loving, caring and nurturing parents. I was never beaten or neglected by any stretch of the imagination. I had a virtually textbook upbringing!

Look in the mirror when you say the word "ignorance".

This, Sir, should be your own personal mantra! I suggest printing it up on a peice of paper, laminating it and posting it on your refrigerator. Before you share your 'opinions' with the rest of us, I suggest that you at least try to educate yourself on the subject. The motto "Deny Ignorance" is a two way street. Not only should you deny the ignorance in others, you should deny the ingnorance in yourself.

i cant stand homophobia

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