Originally posted by moocowman
Ha ha With the karmic receivership I see you deserving of HA HA YOU are BEGGING This to happen I mean BEGGING!
I was merely expressing what I thought was an interesting and very funny idea, considering " your mission" and "war on Christianity" all over
these boards Madcow. If you got a problem with that, or the "logic" behind it. I never thought a thing you have posted was all that logical, so
who are you to be an authority. It's like I said, people attract what they fear and in my opinion, you get what you dish out and that is obvious
What on earth ? You're starting to babble now mate you probably don't realize it but that doesn't actually mean anything to anyone but you.
As if all your mean spirited Bible bashing bruha ha means anything to me and you don't speak for everyone last I checked madcowman. You only appeal
to those fans of Sam Harris, Zoo keeper Dick Dawkins, and the Vodka slurring vernacular of the vitriolic venom of Chrissie Hitchens
karmic receivership ? You must be desperate to resort to eastern philosophy to somehow defend your Christian religion.
No, in fact the many of the tenets of Christianity share universal truths like "what goes around comes around” or you reap what you sew.
I just figured karma is short and makes the same point logical as that may or may not be to you, not everyone shares your tendency to split hairs with
the exception of the pom pom cheerleading support of brum
Do actually think before you type ? So my child is meeting Jesus behind my back ?
This isn't some sordid relationship or taking up smoking we’re talking about here, I think I'd notice if one of my kids suddenly starts raising
the dead or rolling around on the floor yabbering like a loony.
Here I was thinking the same thing about you
Do you even consider the definition of obsession before you accuse someone else of being obsessed?
Oh yeah? Mmmmm lets just take a quick gander at some random posts by you and what do we see in just about ever single thread on these boards ?
They reveal, in a nutshell an angry guy who seems unable to give it a rest already
My child did not feel compelled to do anything, if my child does not wish to take part in deity worship she is however compelled to be placed in a
SEPARATE area, within a "Secular" school.
I don't have strong beliefs my friend I have "NO Beliefs", my children are encouraged to think critically, about all subjects.
Seriously though enough is enough, when adults give children books that contain instructions on rape slavery murder etc, this is totally unacceptable.
Christianity you have now overstepped the mark and I now declare war upon you. - Moocowman
As of today I am now totally and utterly pissed off by the attempts of deluded xtians trying to infiltrate the lives of my children and force, their
ridiculous repugnant beliefs down my children’s throats. - moocowman
not only had to learn about xtainity in RE class, which was taught by a Christian for half an hour a week for SEVEN MONTHS, where she was informed by
the teacher that Jesus Christ is a very real person and god but also had to take part in the worship of this god twice a week. - Moocowman
I have only recently learned that on the first day she started this “Secular” school that along with her books, diaries that she was given there
was also a “BIBLE”!!!!!!!! - Moocowman
Needless to say I was very pissed off indeed with xtian propaganda being shoved down my child’s throat, and contacted the school. -
So far as I’ve been able to ascertain, my child’s head of year, deputy head, headmaster and many are of xtian persuasion and so far these people
are adamant that should I not want my child to be involved in their beliefs or worship, then they are willing to “SEGREGATE” her from the
activities in which have this religious worship is somehow imposed upon them - Moocowman
As of this week I am fighting back, I've had enough this is war I'm now going to use every last drop of energy I have in me, to publicly
debunk Christianity in front of young people. - Moocowman
One look at the subjects you like to spread your brand of biblio bigotry and it is clear what your obsession is
national secularist Society debaptism certificate
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So when you say "Do you even consider the definition of obsession before you accuse someone else of being obsessed?
I say yeah you're obsessed, in fact, that would be
I saw the quote below in one of your threads and you agreed with it.
How can learning socially reinforced lies, hatred and bogtry, coupled with stories about rape and slaughter and vengeance and jealousy have a
positive outcome on children.....particularly when they find out that they are lies etc etc?! - aorAki
You refer to Proverbs as saying children should be beaten with a rod.
Do you know what it is like to live in a world where anarchy and chaos were constant threats, where life could be stolen from you at any moment?
Ancient people did. We have lost the realization that for the ancients, education wasn't simply a matter of teaching times tables so we can get a job
selling timeshares: Education was a matter of survival, of ensuring that what there was of civilization did not slip over that fine line from order
The laws of the Old Testament fall into three categories. First, some laws are universal moral laws. This includes do not steal, do not kill, and
others. Some of these are laws that even you agree should be obeyed today
Second, some laws are cultural universals. By this we mean laws geared to Israel's culture that have a universal moral law behind them. As an
example, Deut. 22:8-9 states, when you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your
house if someone falls from the roof.
Finally, there are ceremonial laws: Instructions for building the Ark of the Covenant, for example, are definitely in this, as are sacrificial laws
and dietary laws. Where you go wrong is in your assumption that every single bit of the legal strictures of the Bible are of the first sort, or
I realize that when you quote Matthew 5:18-19 as some sort of evidence that Jesus would expect us today to stone people who violate the Sabbath, and
so on. In so doing you fail to differentiate between law and judicial penalty. Judicial penalties are not "commandments".
Many of you cite the likes of Luther saying that heretics, etc. should be executed, and then say we may read the Bible differently, but "isn't it
amazing that you have succeeded in discerning the true teachings of Christianity, while the most influential thinkers in the history of your faith
have either failed or been responsible for atrocities that make anything religion has done in its name, tantamount to pushing a kid off his bike.
The Salem witch trials I see hundreds of thousands were killed by those evil bastard Christians! When it was about twenty. The Crusades what about
the crusades! Well what about them? I mean the KKK tries to align themselves with Christianity albeit true they make a good example for spreading
propaganda about religion, the KKK do NOT represent Christ’s teaching nor do they represent the mass majority of Christianity among Christian people
but do ANY of you accept that FACT and refrain from using that example?
NOPE you just continue using the extreme nut jobs claiming to be Christians while exhibiting everything BUT what Christ taught.
Now I am not the best example of what a Christian "should be" and Ted Haggard is not the best example of a Poster Child Christian, but ya know
what,, NONE of us are righteous in Gods eyes NO NOT ONE and ALL have fallen short.
WE believe that, and we also understand that Ted Haggard never said he was a saint. When a Christian gets busted like Ted did, I EXPECT that kind of
thing among Christian followers ESPECIALLY among its leaders. It is HUMAN NATURE and the very REASON we needed a savior. We are not sinner because we
sin; we sin because WE ARE SINNERS! That is what we are.
While I see you all using the extreme examples of Gods Cruelty, I see very little depth in your philosophical arguments. Certainly no where near the
depth of plantinga or max plank. Nothing like C.S. Lewis where many of these questions have been asked and answered. But YOU are not about answers
Moocow, you are about creating problems and issues all behind the guise of a caring parent about his so called "child" or your "children" and I
have to tell you, the only time I have ever seen anyone using the words Child and Children so much and so often was when someone was putting us on
about kids they don't even have. Whether you think the Bible is more scary than the last release of Texas chains saw massacre or Friday the 13th and
God is tantamount to Freddie Kruger or Michael Myers, is none of your business saying it is child abuse in that context. We believed in Santa Clause
too but we survived that let down. The trauma I have suffered learning the Easter bunny was not real! Oh my oh my ! Nothing could have had me more
despondent more depressed than when I read the website "God Hates Amputees"
WOW that was something, for 24 hours I actually believed God didn't exist. I was so numb from this realization that when I wanted to pray about it I
wanted so much to tell it to someone how life seemed so stupid all of a sudden. I could understand the sentiment of the Replicant played by Actor
Rutger Hauer in the Movie Blade Runner, I was asking myself this single question bout LIFE, and what was the point!. I almost considered suicide not
having a God anymore I couldn't even pray about it. To me life was stupid and the idea I would have it just long enough to experience something so
wonderful, just to have it taken in an eternal state of nothingness or death pissed me off so much I wished God was real just long enough to give him
a piece of my mind but NOW, I couldn't even do that. I remember Dawkins saying how nature was just this thing having pitiless indifference about me,
about everything and that it was the way I should now live my life and complete control of my emotions not withstanding, the only logical way to look
at life in nature from now on. I was for 24 hours at least, realizing the difference between a Christian and what is like to be an atheist. The
difference was so stark and so black and white in contrast, I could literally FEEL my mind changing and the moral precepts of my Christianity failing
My heart was dying but living at the same time like my body was just a physical carrier of my brain now, it was the thing that kept me on life support
but the other thing, that pilot light that used to be what I know now was God, was gone. This happened when I challenged the website warning me it
would change my faith, God Hates amputee's, that NOTHING could shake my faith. I was that cocky about it and underestimated my opponents Logic. I
know now the logic of legion is a formidable one and one we, in our own minds think is better than theirs. We tend to believe we are so damn smart.
Until God humbles us do we understand why we are to come as a child.
Whether you are an adult or not, we can know God but not on our terms we have to meet him on his and to do that, we must come as a child. If God
doesn't exist, I would have dumped the idea without recourse without remorse and without a care like I had done when I was a child.
But I am not a child all Christian who are genuinely involved in a symbiotic relationship as a flesh host to a spiritual entity, knows what I am
talking about. It isn't something they can explain and it isn't something you would ever understand. I don't expect you to, but I do know the
difference now and I wouldn't want to go back to that state of godlessness ever again.
What saved me from becoming a 24 hour a day seven days a week atheist?
The scriptures God can not give up what was once a part of him and even when you are too weak, he stays strong.
Well nothing made that more true then what happened the next morning.
I was leaving home about to see a friend whom I had led to Christ years before and I was going to share this website with him. I was going to take
from him and put him through the same crappy life is a pointless waste of time and any positive contributions I can make to this world, Ill do because
it’s the right thing to do and not because some old book said so.
Funny thing, the right thing was now only looking right to me, but without the benefit of my shared relationship with the God of my heart, I swear,
now when I look back at how the world looked to me, all I can say is "What was I thinking!" Ill tell you something right now moocowman and I know
this with all my heart that God IS! If you wanted to know that as well as I do you would soften your heart and open your mind to the truth and once
you do that, you won't have to keep an open mind to BS ever again, in-spite of those who tell you yours is closed. The fact is YOU have NO idea what
you are talking about. On my way to that friends, I started formulating my introduction to the conversation when all of a sudden the questions that I
was going to ask, the very same ones that seemed to logical the night before, were getting answered in the most DROP DEAD common sense answers and I
knew they were not my thoughts. How to articulate this experience is hard because they are the kind of things that have happened to many other
Christians that can ONLY be described as "The voice of God". I was in no drug induced schizophrenic episode, I was lucid and aware of all that was
around me but the thoughts and answers were coming into me not like a voice saying sentences but yet it seemed like that but were coming in sentences
where It would be as if I was reading each word as sentence and each sentence as paragraph. It was overwhelming me and I began seeing bright lights
in my eyes that were so blinding while the thoughts we coming into my head so fast I could hardly process them fast enough and lost most of the
information being told to me.
I started getting a migraine from it and so much so I had to pull over to the side of the road, where it all began to process. The words came to me in
blocks of ideas that said, things like "Should I replace every part of the body or should I replace every body part? Should I replace someone’s
head if he gets it decapitated? How about an arm or a leg? How it got destroyed or removed whether by a blade or the necessary amputation due to
diabetes, is it fair for me to give man a way to regenerate himself? What about someone who loses internal body parts such as a heart or kidney from
disease or a knife wound? Should I give them a new heart or kidney and postpone their death I once promised a time to live and a time to die.
Apportioned unto all men is a time to die. Healing amputees has nothing to do with giving them a new body whether it be piece by piece once they get
it from me why stop there man will just cut off what he thinks it is fair for me to replace.
I sat there in my car every single arrector pili muscle in my entire body was on red alert I could feel someone was in my car with me, I didn't know
where they were sitting I couldn't see a thing but I knew someone was in there with me so much that I yelled who is here! I got the block of thoughts
and I felt the pilot light go on inside me as I got more answers that answered my question. God heals amputees as often as he heals a skinned knee but
if the body dies due to mortal wounds such as decapitation, he dies and as providence would indicate they would. I knew then to God anyway, this body
I live in is not that important as it was not the one he intended for me when his adversary was successful in taking advantage of our free moral agent
some error in calling free to determine our own destiny.
To some extent that is true, but my destiny got derailed that day and God changed my destiny by showing me in what can only be described as an out of
this world experience that I doubt science can quantify much less believe is true but I am here to testify to it regardless of the ridicule regardless
of the rebuke, I know what I experienced and I know there is a real significant difference between what I know to be so real and so true I can risk
that to keep faith in it because I lived it YOU didn't. The reason I did was to show me what it is to have something and lose it when what you lose
is your connection to God that spiritual conduit hidden behind the physicality of our world our universe but is there nevertheless and I can't begin
to tell you what you're missing.
Your problem with that school is not about your child, it is about you and your belief you think you know so damn much. You may know more than I and
you may know more than most but I Kinda doubt it but if you ever experienced what I did, I can promise you, you would be force feeding that bible down
all of our throats and I have to restrain myself from doing just that to everyone.
AS suddenly as it happened, the thoughts subsided and my own took over at there default but now obvious snails pace. I felt out of breath as if I had
just run a mile. I turned around and went home and destroyed the debate using fairness as a premise for why God hates amputee's and why if he
didn't heal them, why are so many alive today, many whom admit it was an act of God they are still alive. Ill follow that with it being an act of
God any of us are alive at all.
Your situation with the alleged forcing of worship and all that "stuff" you have been thinking we all need to know about and the hyperbole you have
given in your outrage is telling of you having other issues and ones I will not delve into but simply stating outrage is not a sufficient form of
argument. It is merely a substitute for true argument. What must be done but I have still not seen done by you is an analysis proving that a given
action/directive by God was indeed unfair and/or cruel. No doubt the reason I have not seen you do this is that you are not actually able to make such
judgments. Your tendency is simply to assume, "the punishment is undeserved, and can never be justified."
Have you in fact composed an argument promoting the "theft theory" for the body of Jesus like so many before you?
All you ever do is use declarative assertions as a substitute for informed argument. You are not equipped in any way to answer the truth claims of
ANY religion Muslim, Christian, or otherwise.
You're just a guy with some issues about religion who believes if religion were eradicated the world would be better when that is not what history
teaches us. While you say thinking to your self "what a wonderful world this would be, if everyone were just a little more like me"
While I have seen you defending issues that confuse themselves into being issues the category of civil rights abuses, where the man on the street is
accosted by men dressed in drag carrying signs that say "we're here, we're queer! And we're in your face!" they INSIST on sharing their private
sexual bent with people who by and large want them to know that what they do is none of our business.
While you attempt to compare that to a Mormon or JW or Christian knocking at your door to share their religion dressed in suits and ties you want us
to believe after you have slammed the door in their faces you go lurching for the bathroom door to gargle to get the taste of Bible bile out of your
throat in the Christians failed attempt to shove it down trachea.
You exaggerate and you make Everest’s out of mole hills.
And you want to question me about my choice of words regarding whether or not you are obsessed? You got people talking about how they think you are
protected from Mods because it baffles them how you haven't been post banned!
Now I don't think your "stuff" is enough to be banned for but I know of those who have been banned for less, in fact a LOT less than I have seen
you get away with but whether or not that means YOU should be is none of my business it is ATS's owners. In the meantime, I will continue to skip
your threads and put you on my ignore list.
Not because of the vitriolic venomous hatred and disdain they are about but I have discovered, when you read one thread of moocowmans, quite frankly,
You've read em all.
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