14 YO girl shot in head with a taser!, page 4
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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 05:38 PM by Burred_Dawg
I don't believe the officer was aiming for her head however, I wouldn't condone the tazing on any part of her at all unless she was a physical threat to the officer and I just don't see that happening without a weapon. I mean, come on! She is 14. His actions are simply not justified. Tazers are like batons to the officers, just easier to use and because they are getting away with it, we are seeing many many unnecessary tazings.

That said. . . I now have these comments based my own experience, having been a juvenile probation officer at one time.

After about a year in the profession, given the choice, I would choose 10 male gang-bangers on my caseload rather than a single 14 year old female sitting there with her arms crossed and rolling her eyes. They can be the most obstinate and disrespectful creatures on earth. They think they know everything, but have extremely poor judgement and engage in extremely high risk behavior. Without serious and consistent intervention, they most likely will make decisions that will affect them lifelong.

First of all, I can guarantee you, if the mother brought her to the police station for help, the child was a serious behavior problem and the mother was trying to control her. I would bet it wasn't the first time and won't be the last.

Second, for the officer to have been chasing her at all, means the mother complained immediately that her daughter had run away, thus his pursuit. A reasonable person would have radioed for backup, reported her direction and made reasonable attempts to apprehend her. She did run and she did evade the officer. Those are two charges for which she should be referred to the juvenile probation department.

The officer made a bad choice in using the tazer and probably will be sued. In fact, had he tazed her in any other way, he probably still would be facing a lawsuit. If the girl survives the surgery without any serious consequences, her lack of judgement isn't likely to change anytime soon, especially if the parents sue.


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:32 PM by Recouper
reply to post by Burred_Dawg



Yeah, that does all make sense... but you could be entirely wrong.

It's good to read your perspective. At 14 though, that to me is a child. They can be cunning and acidly insidious, but I think it is the enabling nature of today's society that is the problem being shown in this story.

As parents, we sometimes have to be the thunder that shakes their world to the foundations just as we sometimes have to be the kind encouragement that holds the door open for them to access the world as we forge them into good, loving adults. Trouble is, a little lightning and thunder can quickly land you in legal strife these days.

If I was the parent in this situation, and it was getting really out of hand, I would have taken the cell phone, dismantled it and dumped it into a rubbish bin. Gone, just like that. But people have been getting taught that as parents, they always have to negotiate and compromise with children and while that is a valuable skill to master, sometimes an entirely uncompromising "This ends now." is the responsible option.

I wasn't there, and I don't know these people, so you can say I'm making assumptions to make a point. I am, but I have difficulty seeing any good justifications for the actions of the adults involved. I could be out of line though...

[edit on 5/7/2009 by Recouper]


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 08:13 AM by Burred_Dawg
Originally posted by Recouper
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post by Burred_Dawg



... I think it is the enabling nature of today's society that is the problem being shown in this story.

As parents, we sometimes have to be the thunder that shakes their world to the foundations just as we sometimes have to be the kind encouragement that holds the door open for them to access the world as we forge them into good, loving adults....


I completely agree with you. Parents lose control, when they do not act in accordance with their responsibilities.

And no, we were not there, do not personally know these people, and can only comment on what is publicly available - which can often be misreported as well.

However, it clearly appears the incident occurred due to the mother's lack of control over the daughter which, as we seem to agree, is really the point. In my experience, contact with authorities in these situations isn't based on 'first time' problems and is usually a step up from previous disciplinary actions that were ineffective. The parent(s) either isn't willing to deal with the problem consistently or effectively themselves or don't know how, so they 'use' police to do their job for them.

Like you, I would have broken the phone in half and tossed it in a 'this ends now' scenario. And I would have cleaned out her room - no TV, no VCR/DVD, no music, no nothing except basic necessities - bed, underwear, shoes and clothes, long before police ever became involved.

Perhaps the mother had already taken these steps - I doubt it, since a 'cellphone' was the point of contention between them. We won't likely hear one way or the other in the media.

What we will hear more of sadly, is the lawsuit that will surely be filed. Granted, the officer should be severely reprimanded, and possibly fired or demoted, but the child should have consequences for her own behavior and that can only be done by the parent(s).


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:22 AM by grimreaper797
Seriously, it's the parents fault. That simple enough for most of you in this thread?

Lets assume for one minute that not all cops are super human, all-event knowing, super sports stars, who leap over cars and can subdue criminals with their minds alone. Now, assuming this, we have a normal human being who maybe gets a call that a teen has been in an altercation with a parent and now ran off. Said teen runs into traffic without looking.

He tells her to stop, she keeps running. Was the taser necessary? Maybe, but probably not. BUT WAIT, the cop is a human being you say?

The possibility that maybe as the cop was chasing after her, he was not sure of whether or not the situation, which he was most likely unaware of, would have called for the use of a taser? That he was unsure of what might happen as a result of him not catching her?


What it seems like to me, is that if he hadn't used his taser, continued to chase her, and the kid got hit by a vehicle, or tripped and smashed her head into the ground, you would blame the cops for chasing after this "poor little girl".

The reason cops are making such questionable decisions isn't because they are power hungry power grabbers (though some of them are undoubtedly) its because the general public wants to string up a cop every time a situation doesn't go down perfectly, whether it is their fault or not. Now they have to think about what is least likely to get them in trouble.

"What will happen if I don't stop this girl when I had the means to do so (taser)?" because these days, cops have to worry about getting sued just because they aren't super human crime fighting hero's.

Ultimately, blame the parents. Girl was out of control. Parents brought the police into it, and the police DID THEIR JOB. You want to avoid situations like this one? Stop involving the police in BS affairs.

[edit on 6-7-2009 by grimreaper797]


reply posted on 7-7-2009 @ 06:17 PM by DaddyBare
reply to post by XTexan



Your very right in that half the blame lays with the mother... I raised 4 and now a granddaughter and I know how much they test you... especially the girls!!! but being a parent also means being the bad guy and setting rules they have to follow. Enforcing those rules too... cant be their best friends all the time, someone has to be the parent and it just works out better if that's the adult


reply posted on 7-7-2009 @ 06:46 PM by DaddyBare
reply to post by CaptainCaveMan



there is one thing I'd like to know... seeing is how were talking about one of those very small towns were everybody knows everybody and their business... Did Hatcher know she was an epileptic when he tasered her?
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