Treason by Any Other Name; the Treachery of Silence

reply to post by SGTChas


This is a great contribution. I try to send at least 30 to 40 e-mails every week to senators, the attorney general, and the creeps in the media like Bill OReilly, Joe Scarborough, Hannity, Rush, and others just to remind them of their TRAITOROUS behavior.

I realize they are too greedy or frightened to change, but I like to remind them that many of us are aware of the fact that they suppress the truth 24/7/365, thereby enabling the ruling elites to get away with so many gigantic crimes.

I get so F--king angry I could scream. It really looks like virtually everyone in a position of authority in America today is either a criminal or just too afraid to stand up to these bastards who run The Empire Of The City.

Keep up the good work. You are a real American. I find it absolutely appalling that all 100 U.S. Senators, the attorney general, virtually every cabinet member, and most probably all 9 Supreme Court Justices, and most law enforcement officials are ALL TRAITORS.

Keep up the good work. You inspire me to raise some more hell with these traitors. Maybe I can't get them to change their evil ways but I can at least make them feel like the SCUMBAGS they truly are. Just maybe one of them will catch the spirit of Patrick Henry and start blowing the whistle.

bwinwright just make sure you act out of intelligence and reason and not out of anger and emotion when reminding those traitors that we know what is going on.

You would not want to be incapacitated before your time is due. You may be destined for greater things. None the less kudos to you my friend.

Right behind ya sarge. You might have to teach this ol navy boy how to conduct himself in an infantry sense, but I'm with ya!

reply to post by miragezero


The problem with your arguments are the underlying supposition that all will continue into a ‘Star Trek’ like future with a ‘World Federation’ rose garden future of peace and love; having evolved into some hybrid of the brother hood of man. Such is good for a science fiction story to entertain the easily entertained; a sop to push back the horrid thought that there is a God, and He has said from the beginning what will be the end, attempting to hide such thoughts from the consciousness of those who refuse to deal with reality; however, you are sadly mistaken and will soon be one of the ones who will have a very rude awaking.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely; never will a despotic world ruler be satisfied, just like Obama they will seek to control every aspect of your life; always for the public and your good dictating what is good and bad for every citizen. Private property will cease to be in the government’s interest, as will free speech and thought. Just as sugar and salt are being taxed at higher rates in New York now, much worse is now being considered; proposed ‘fat taxes’ with new ‘hate speech’ legislation that was admitted will jail a Pastor for quoting a Bible verse that offends a homosexual or feminist, new federal ‘house inspectors’ to authorize you to sell your home, or dictate improvements you must pay for under new ‘green standards’, GPS monitors in all cars to tax per mile of use and (of course) insure the public safety by issuing instant speeding tickets, mandated ‘alternate lifestyle’ and marriage education for 1st and second graders, mandatory registration of all fire arms with inspected area of where they are stored, forced public service by every American, medical procedure caps and control of amounts of medical services that can be purchased by private funds. (All of this is legislation that is at this moment being considered by Congress)

This is your brave new world and utopian future? I’ll keep my guns, faith in Jesus, my Constitution and Bill of Rights; die or survive I will not be a slave.

reply to post by eightonefive


Not a problem sailor, we’ll be operating in a ‘target rich environment’ as per some of the mindsets exemplified by editorials and talking heads from all over the media, I figure it will be hard to miss ‘Red Coats’ this time around. Will not be too hard to figure when the “second shot heard around the world” has been fired; when Martial Law is declared, it is on.

reply to post by dooper


I know your right, but the thought of some of the nay sayers facing their errors does give a moments comfort - even stupid blood loss is not worth it though.

In an attempt to define that which is every soldier and national public official’s duty to the Republic and the corresponding quantification of their allegiance to the same, every oath of office and oath of the defenders of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights contains the clause: “I _________ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same…” This clause is important in that it establishes the American definition of a traitor as including one who does not defend the US Constitution AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS against DOMESTIC ENEMIES; thus establishing loyalty to elected officials only as long as THEY HAVE REMAINED LOYAL TO THEIR TRUST OF UPHOLDING THE US CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. At the moment they fail this, it then becomes the sworn duty of those so enjoined to DEFEND both the US CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS FROM THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHICH HAVE BROKEN TRUST.

As an addendum to the original thread, this post was held until I could gage initial reaction and direction of the debate. As to the lack of attention paid at this point, the contention might be one of expectancy due to the course of my publications; forbearance here is requested as I have been laying the groundwork for the presentation of this logical conclusion. The point being when does inaction in and of itself become treason? When does inactivity at the continued assaults on the Constitution by those bound by oath to its defense become infidelity and broken trust on our part? Could we not be charged with having broken faith with our oath at this point?

What should be noted here is that this oath makes no difference between an invader, or a duly elected official’s attack on these documents, both are to met with brute force to insure these documents (which gave our government its legitimacy) survival; no attack, whether through an unconstitutional ‘Executive Order” or an attempt to legislate from the bench of the judiciary is to be allowed without resistance. Noticing the further qualifying fact that those who have taken this oath are bound by it until death; there is no release from the duty this oath details – fidelity until death.

Have we not set idly by as our elected leaders time and time again damaged those great documents that both we and them were charged to protect? Have we not made excuses for our lack of response as if waiting some grand sign that duty called? Many ‘second’ shots have been fired at innocents in direct violation of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights such as at Ruby Ridge and Waco, many grievous abridgements of these documents have taken place without so much as a faint protest by the vast majority of Americans, but what is the excuse of the sworn guardians of these treasured documents?

Have we grown so comfortable in the trappings of rapidly receding American middle class life style that to do more than type angry words, as if in some silent howl at the moon, would be too grave an effort; while we go out to dinner and the movies, never risking more than the momentary discomfort of posting to ATS? Will we stand by as trumped up charges are used to give excuse to further inactivity as Patriot after Patriot is picked off?

Have our ears grown so dim to the plea of liberty that we will continue to stand mute as right after right is taken in the name of peace and security? Have we the former service personnel entrusted as keepers of liberties light counted our oath a common thing as our children face being slaves to a supreme and all-powerful centralized government, or will we fight?

I'd say that sound an awful lot like a declaration of war.

You think patriot organization has reached that point?

reply to post by nenothtu


Have not the powers that be declared war on the citizens of these United States by their open destruction of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Separation of Powers that were a safe guard against the very tyranny of an all powerful centralized government they now enslave us with? Have they not sold our birthright to China and other foreign creditors while step by step ceding our nation’s sovereignty to international governing bodies? THIS IS TREASON!

At what point is enough enough? At what point do we honor our oath and stand as men to proclaim ‘NO MORE’? Or do we sit idly by protesting from the comfort of a computer key board waiting for the other one to stand?

The patriots in the Reserves, Guard and Militia await the people, i.e.: us, to do more than sleep or complain; they know the score and will stand with the people. What then do we do?

reply to post by SGTChas


If the organizational structure HAS reached that point, a cell or unit somewhere will strike the spark, and a general conflagration will ensue.

They might be waiting on a provocative incident to respond to.

When that occurs, and a response is initiated, I'd imagine the chain of command will have already passed word down to pour gas on it.

It is personally way past my limits that I find tolerable and many others I believe. However to act prematurely would be futile and only serve their cause. There is a threshold that will eventually be crossed that will turn into action. At the pace the Government and it's masters are currently working that threshold may be crossed very soon.


Let us all hope and pray that freedom and liberty can be restored through peaceful actions of intelligent and moral people.

If defending the Constitution is treason, then I guess that makes me a tyrant. oh and people keep saying "when", well the time is not coming, the time is not here, the time has passed and we need to stand up, take a stance, and get our God given rights back, take our country back. Thank you Sarge for this posting. God bless.

To those of you reading this with a mentality of detachment:

WAKE UP!

I would be remiss in my duty as an American patriot to NOT at least attempt to forewarn my fellow countrymen and women about the tyrannical attempt to suborn our national sovereignty.

Attempts are continually made to marginalize my cause, stating that I am a brainwashed conservative, or worse. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm not a racist, sore loser, or redneck. Far from that...

What's left to marginalize and distract the reader of my comments with?

Let me set the record straight.

I'm a God fearing, Bill of Rights lover, veteran, father, gun owner, registered "independent", unemployed, fed up AMERICAN citizen. I will exercise my First Amendment rights to speak out against any and all violation of those rights to myself and ANY other US citizen until I no longer have that right. I will exercise any and all rights afforded to me, my family, and ANY US citizen by the Bill of Rights. I will work tirelessly and vocally, no matter the consequences for what is moral and RIGHT. Period.

Silence is no longer an option for anyone that believes similarly. The facade is crumbling, and the true intent of the global agenda is coming to realization. TPTB are soon going to be openly stating their intent, and have already in some places.

Don't believe me? Fine. I don't expect anyone to just "take my word for it". DO the homework. Read between the lies of the MSM (to quote Nenothtu- thanks!). Do your own research! The writing is on the wall!

This Republic faces an enemy much more cunning and insidious than the crown of 1775. When a national event comes that will plunge the country into a dark storm of chaos comes, it will already be too late. Preparation and alerting your family, friends and neighbors is the ONLY hope of this glorious Republic's survival.

I'm not a reactionary, not a proseletyzer, not an extremist. I'm just as fearful as anyone reading this... Perhaps even more so.

I urge you all, my fellow countrymen, to EDUCATE yourselves on even just ONE rampant violation of your personal liberty that the federal government has plotted against the citizenry. Your choice, choose ANY violation, be it the "patriot" act, the proposed gun laws, the cap and tax, err, trade bill, ANYTHING!

Do the research independently, using multiple sources. Trust your instincts, and follow through.

Don't you owe it to yourself? Your spouse? Your CHILDREN??? Most of all, don't you owe it to the men and women that died defending your liberty and freedom?

Please think about it. This may be your last chance.

A nation founded on Liberty and Justice for all was won with the blood of patriots and tyrants. They were not content to just waive banners in the street. They did petition their King and that petition was answered with violence. They then realized that the struggle for freedom was not going to ever be won with words alone. It would require words but backed up by deeds. Power has now fallen to 2 primary factions. I call these factions the Corporatist Globalist, and the Socialist Collectivist. In the United States of America these factions hide under the names of Republican and Democratic Parties. In the United Kingdom they call themselves the Torry and Labor Parties.

The fact is that these are the same groups worldwide. The 2 main factions have used the Hegelian Dialectic to great effect to fuse these 2 primary forces into the 2 heads of a hydra bent on world domination.

The forces of liberty that won the freedoms and liberties that the United States enjoyed for a short time in it's early history are but a shadow of their former glory. Now those who's hearts burn with a desire liberty are marginalized and treated as terrorist. That is the exact same tactic the Crown of England used in the early days of the first American Revolution.

On Saturday, the History Channel presented the entire series of the Revolutionary War. I sat and watched every episode.

A lot of parallels between then and now.

Those that took up arms, were only a small portion of the population. A very small portion. Then there was the ebb and flow of fortune, numbers of those still in the Continental Army, and they received little or no support from the people.

Then you had your idiots like Gates. The real fighters like Morgan - a badass Virginian, and Greene who, even though he was a sure-enough northern Yankee, was a canny, canny man.

When, and I truly believe it is a matter of time, WHEN the proverbial dookey hits the rotating blades, percentage-wise, it will once again be a small, but hardcore group who will bear the brunt of the restoration.

There will likewise be an ebb and flow as "fair-weather" patriots will come and go at their leisure.

WE won't be able to rely on any help from the outside the next time, so we'll have it to do ourselves.

Fewer than 600 people dominate and rule right now, and it is these same 600 people who are ruining our nation.

Six hundred.

Only six hundred people.

The equivalent of a small battalion.

Ruining an entire nation.

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


Thank you for this one Anon. I think you're bringing a good voice of reason here. It doesn't serve anyone's best interest (except your enemies) to rush off into action prematurely, in any movement.

I'm still not sold on the whole thing, as I've gone over elsewhere and I'm sure you all know my opinion, but I'm wondering where exactly Sarge is going with this?

I always thought that the generally agreed upon "final line" would be some sort of martial law or anti-second amendment thing. I understand that there are a lot of people whom aren't happy with the way things are now, but I really think anyone trying to start a revolution right now would just get slaughtered or put in jail.

I met a lot of troops over in Iraq that I stay in contact with, many of them national guardsmen, and they really don't agree with your views regarding revolution too much. If you're counting on them to back you up and start some kind of civil war, I think you're quite mistaken at this point.

Personally I think we need to get the debate more into the public sphere, lets work on educating everyone with all of the arguments before anything else first. We've got freedom of speech, it's best to use it!

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


Project Jimmy just as in the general populous there is going to be divisions on perspective and divisions on how things should be handled.


I know military personnel who currently serve in Iraq and Afghanistan that are quite scared of where our country is heading and what is coming down the line. They feel very betrayed at being labeled potential terrorists by the very Government and Country for which they were asked to put their lives on the line. Nor do they feel like they are laying their lives on the line for a just and moral cause. They know they are being asked to kill people to make some very wealthy people even more wealthy.

I know many many military personnel that are stockpiled and more prepared for a SHTF scenario than even the most ardent doomsday prophets on ATS. Jimmy I hope you realize that a good portion of these people in these threads are ex military themselves and are in contact with other ex military and active military including Chas.

While it is arguable that a lot of the constitution has already been completely ignored and violated, Martial Law would be in direct violation of the entire constitution in the most blatant way possible. I do believe that would be the proverbial threshold being crossed.

I will agree with you Jimmy that a large portion of the population eats up the Government and MSM propaganda like its candy and is eager to usher in the Socialist / Fascist society that TPTB are ushering in... However I would bet a lot of money that the vast majority in that group have not bothered to go out, research, and understand the nature of our problems. In essence they don't need to question the Government's motives because the Government is benevolent and is there to take care of them and above all, knows best in their minds.

All of which can easily be proven wrong with even the basic insight and research...

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


The whole point of this thread is to attack the apathetic lethargy of posters on ATS that are patriotic and yet holding out false hope that the two party system will bring about a return to constitutional government; that claim that the treasonous attacks on liberty are somehow bearable because of some measure of prosperity while our chains are being forged, or that suggest that we have no right to even discuss bearing arms against the tyranny that is enslaving this nation. This thread is laying further groundwork in our appeal to the God of heaven for the right of defense of our liberties and to make everyone think that would stand idle when martial law is declared and/or they attempt a further attack on the Second Amendment.

reply to post by UFOTECH


EXCELLENT analysis! I particularly liked the "Corporatist Globalist" and "Socialist Collectivist" breakdown of the geopolitical reality. The "globalists" and "collectivists" are but two ends of the same snake. They all insist that we will be one big happy, broke dysfunctional family.

With Centralized Control, as is found in the second part of my sig.

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


We ARE trying to get the debate into an open forum, but at this point, those with the perceived "power" attempt to marginalize it, minimize it, by shouting the opposition down, and misdirecting the arguments in the first place to be something else altogether.

They aren't engaging in the debate as yet, they're attempting to stifle it.

Eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later, that will no longer be an option for them. As more dissatisfaction builds, there should come a point where avoidance and ignoring the issues is simply no longer an option, and the debate will be FORCED into an open forum. They will have to address it in a legitimate manner.

The problem is that if that DOESN'T happen, and open debate is never allowed, one faction or the other is going to get forced into an open grave, rather than an open forum.

And that's the least desirable of all outcomes.

As in the days of the original American Revolution, if the grievances of the populace are not addressed, and are instead stifled, ignored, or "actively suppressed", those grievances will boil over, and that's never a pretty sight.