Iran's election authority: Partial recount shows election valid

What happens if you riot in the USA and set light to police stations attempting to kill the people inside?

If those pictures are archived point me to them since I cant find them.
Well there's no reason to fold the vote if you've rolled it.. You can see that in your tiny pics there are rolls of votes. Of course they've been opened when they were first counted so there you have it.
As for the four sealed boxes, source?
I'm not playing an arm chair politician. If by citizens you mean the minority losers who made a huge deal about it, I wont be listening to them.
In the US you can surely protest but dont come here claiming that protesters dont get beaten in the US. That's just plain ridicilous.

reply to post by PsykoOps

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A rolled vote will not fit into a 1/4 inch thin slot. Try it sometime. All genuine votes were folded. As for your inability to find the photos, videos, and trestimony, it simply points out that you are out of touch with what is happening in Iran. It seems you simply follow what ever the MSM tells you.

It is clear that this thread is full of those who support a repressive regime and have no desire to even look for the evidence. There is no further point in attempting to enlighten those who wish to keep their eyes closed and to make excuses for the suppression of freedom.

The People of Iran continue to stand up for their rights and the evidence is mounting on their side. Ahmedinejad is becoming increasingly isolated and many influential clerics are beginning to back away from him. Anyone who choses to do so can easily connect and watch what is going on with information coming directly from Iran.

Did you even look at that link? That there is a photo (HQ one at that) of a rolled vote being put into the ballot box. You're just plain lying here.

[Edit] Oh sorry, my bad. I didn't notice that the website doesn't link into the HQ photo. It's here.

[edit on 4/7/2009 by PsykoOps]

reply to post by PsykoOps

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Riddle me this Batman... How do you explain the stacks of FLAT votes that were shown? Try rolling a vote tightly enough to fit into a 1/4 inch slot then see how flat it is when you take it out. Have you taken a closer look at the multiple votes with the same handwriting? I wonder if you are even following the events in Iran and if you have any contact at all with the people inside Iran.... enough to even know what is going on?

Perhaps you can tell me what is so significant about Mashhad? If you can then I will recognize that you know what you are talking about. If you have no idea, then it is clear that you are discussing a subject in which you have little knowledge of. My guess... is that you will quickly Google it in an attempt to appear connected to the current events in Iran.

Meanwhile, contrary to an earlier claim in here regarding western support of Ahmedinejad... every single member of the EU has called in their respective Iranian Ambassadors to discuss the fraudulent vote and violence against Iranian citizens. It is being reported that the EU is considering whether it should stop issuing visas to Iranian government officials. Russia has refused to meet with Ahmedinejad despite their long time support of Iran. It is not only the Western nations that have rebuked Ahmedinejad. The Kingdom of Jordan had banned Iran’s state-run Al-Alam and Press TV stations from broadcasting in Jordan and revoked their operating permits. The Sultan of Oman has cancelled his trip to Iran and canceled all meetings with Ahmedinejad. Egyptian lawyers belonging to Mamdouh Ismail have filed a brief with Egypt’s Prosecutor General’s Office. It asked them to ban Ahmadinejad from entering Egypt next month to attend a diplomatic meeting, it went on to specifically state that Ahmedinejad has "sinned against the prophet (Muhhamad)". Ahmedinejad's meeting in Libya was also cancelled due to the election and it's violent aftermath

Within Iran all is not well for Ahmedinejad: Grand Ayatollah Yosuf Sanei has spoken out against the government violence against the Iranian people, calling it an "Unforgivable sin" against Islam. His statements came at a time when more and more clerics and Ayatollahs are speaking out against the illegitimacy of Ahmedinejads election. Ayatollah Bayat-Zanjani said that the demand for justice and protesting for one’s rights was legal. He also denounced the suppression of protesters and called the act illegitimate. Zanjani joins Ayatollahs Taheri, Ghaffari and Montazeri in supporting the cause of the protesters. Karoubi stated that he would not recognize the current government and would continue to stand by the people in their quest for their rights, even if it took the rest of his life. Rafsanjani, who is one of the Imams that lead Friday Prayers in Tehran's largest mosque, has declined to lead prayers there in protest over the fraudulent election and government sponsored violence against the citizens of Iran. Ayatollah Hadi Ghaffari has directly accused Khamenei of sinning against the people by ordering arrests and killings. Ayatollah Taheri, the former Friday Imam of Isfahan, called Ahmadinejad's appointment illegal. Pezeshkian, an Iranian MP, told the parliament that God's enemy was he who stood against the people. Dozens of Iranian university professors have a signed a letter expressing deep anger for the attacks made by security forces on Iranian universities and students.

All of this has happened in the last few days since the beginning of July. While in the US we celebrate Independence Day, perhaps it might be wise to consider what Thomas Jefferson said which relates to a nation that would chose to end freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly as Ahmedinejad has done since the election.
"The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object."

"It is unfortunate, that the efforts of mankind to recover the freedom of which they have been so long deprived, will be accompanied with violence, with errors, & even with crimes. But while we weep over the means, we must pray for the end."

You still haven't provided any source for the multiple votes with same handwriting.
You suppose they didn't open these votes when they were counted? I mean they do have psychic counters who dont need to or something.
I've never heard and dont care for Mashhad, whatever it is.
When it comes to other countries reactions to Iran, it's obviously same kind of ganging up against the weak which is happening with NK. It only proves that the rest of the world are idiots.
You claim violence against the people, I claim that there was a very minimal and well excecuted response to massive amounts of rioters. They would've deserved a much more severe response. The rioters could've just held peacefull protest but I guess that would've just been too unexiting. After all western attention was what they were after and noone would've cared if they would've kept peacefull.
You keep your Jefferson quotes to yourself, this was a clean and lawfull election and proven so by recount.

reply to post by PsykoOps

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You have proven that you are out of touch with the reality on the streets in Iran and thus your comments are simply uneducated opinions. Nothing more.

The violence was started by the Government thugs. Calling protesters "rioters" is a clear indication of bias and does not reflect the nonviolent protests that is the majority of what is happening. When a group of women stand silently in front of a holy shrine, in memory of those who have been killed by the government thugs, and then these same thugs begin to beat the women with clubs, THAT is the typical response to non violent protests by the illegitimate government. It has nothing to do with rioters. Shops are not being looted by rioters.

Mashhad is Irans second largest city. You would know that if you knew anything at all about Iran. Mashhad is a very holy city which contains numerous shrines for martyrs, including shrines for Prophet Mohammed’s family members. It has a large and very active population of influential clerics. The clerics in Mashhad are currently conducting closed door meetings to evaluate the situation and many have publicly given their blessings to the non violent protesters. The government has killed five people in the city and arrested over 200 simply for voicing their right to have their votes counted. High profile detainees include Hashem Khastar, Reza Arab and Rohullah Shahsava, but then you probably have no idea who these people are. Ahmedinejad had to cancel his trip to the city because he knew that the residents of the city wanted nothing to do with him. If he had gone it would have provoked a greater response and more vocal outcry against his illegitimate presidency. Mashhad is significant in that the clerics there are very influential in the nation as a whole. The number of religious leaders speaking out against the illegal actions of Ahmedinejad is growing, and as it is an Islamic nation, these religious leaders have a great deal of say in what goes on in the nation. If Ahmedinejad can not win the support of the religious leaders, he is lost. No need to worry about the EU and neighboring nations, the people of Iran and their spiritual leaders are increasing their call for his removal.

If you chose to form you opinions on guesses and assumptions, that is your prerogative. It is clear however, that you are speaking about a subject in which you have no knowledge, and thus you choose to embrace ignorance, rather than to deny it. If you wish to have a meaningful discussion, then perhaps you should first undertake to learn the subject matter. Not knowing that Mashhad is the second largest city in Iran, and admitting that you do not even care, does not help strengthen your uninformed opinions. Being totally ignorant of the happenings in the city and elsewhere, makes your comments all but meaningless.

as usual more western propaganda BS to discredit the iranian election

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Kombatt98]

reply to post by Terapin

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So in your imagination I've proven not to know the cities of Iran, so what?
You have a source for 'government thugs' starting the violence or are you just making stuff up as you go?
If you call these rioters 'peacefull demonstrators' then you're living in a different world.
I'm not an expert on Iranian affairs nor do I follow every news outlet about it. What I do know is that the election was proven to be legit and you and the rest of the world are just supporting the sore losers.

reply to post by PsykoOps

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Proven "legit" by those who stole the vote is not proof. They did not allow for a free and open recount. They did not even allow for a free and open vote. Iranian law allows for opposition parties to monitor the voting process. Ahmedinejad violated this law by denying ANY monitoring of the vote process. They also denied anyone other than their own party members to be involved in the recount, again, against Iranian law. You are simply spouting government propaganda, and more nonsense. Deny Ignorance and learn the truth, or burry your head in the sand and remain ignorant.

It is very easy for you to sit far away and spout propaganda on a subject you have no knowledge about. I am certain it makes you feel smug, but realize that it does not confer any validity to your position. It simply makes you smug.

Since you have chosen to embrace ignorance, there is little point in having any further discussion. Perhaps some day you will instead learn about the subjects you form your opinions on, and not simply parrot the party line.

I'm just a western journalist walking down the road in Iran. Omg look! it's a box of uncounted ballot papers! That surely would be of interest to the western media company I work for. But what's this! a pro Amadinehjad cleric stole the box before we could do anything!

When something is too convenient to be credible, it should be observed very closely.

Also, in all great conspiracies, people have a tendency to focus too much on small details. We should look at who stands to benefit from what:

Lets use the Iraq war for a starting point. What did Mr Hussein have to gain by having a bunch of terrorists destroy the twin towers? Did he gain financially from that? No. So our assumption is that he did it "for the lulz"

His country was destroyed, and he was hung. Anyone would say that provoking the US was a totally idiotic thing to do. Whether you like the man or not, he was not that stupid.

What did Bush have to gain from sending the USMC over to rip Iraq apart, and have their leader executed? Hmm well, where to start. The rebuilding of Iraq contracts have been sold to American companies. Very recently, international oil companies were allowed by the Iraqi oil minister to put in bids for contracts also. Something they had been banned from doing for the last 30 years.

What about Iran. Now Iran may or may not be a fraudulent dictatorship. That doesn't really matter a damn because just spin a globe randomly and poke your finger in a spot and you'll find a fraudulent dictatorship. there's too many of them to name in third world countries. But the US is obsessed with Iran and currently Afghanistan. Hmm, Afghanistan produces a lot of drugs (CIA anyone?) And Iran has oil.

Motivations are obvious, don't look at details, look at who benefits from what in the grand scheme of things. You will notice that "the bad guys" rarely benefit, and our grinning totally sincere war politicians benefit a whole lot.

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Agreed that there are certain interests that would benefit from a bit of upheaval in Iran. Israel and the US come to mind, but there are others. Some claim that Iran was after nuclear weapons, and civic unrest could present certain opportunities for those with a specific agenda. Time will tell.

As for the discovered ballots.... A few journalists were accompanying a significant cleric as he visited some of his followers. They went to many sites together and when the cleric took them to the local library, the boxes were discovered there in a hallway. The entire visit with the cleric is documented. There are even photographs taken by others, of before the visit with people placing ballots into the very same boxes. Lots of people took lots of photos of the elections. This is just one example. Pressure is being put on the one Iranian journalist who was there at the time to change his story.

There are a number of stories about irregular voting procedures. More will come to light as time goes on. What is important to follow is what the citizens of Iran are saying and doing. It matters little what the EU or other national interests are saying at the moment. This is about a stand for the rights of the people. There are those who will take advantage of such a situation, on both side, or I should say on many sides, but none the less, the people are speaking out. Perhaps we should listen to what they have to say, without government censors and thugs trying to change the story. It is clear that Ahmedinejad has lost a great deal of moral ground and will never again be seen as a benevolent leader. His standing world wide has suffered as well.

reply to post by Terapin

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A well thought out response I agree with most of that.

Though there is one thing.



This is a stand for the rights of some people, we have no real idea of how many are totally happy with the election result. The people you mentioned who would take advantage of Iran, would benefit from exaggerating that amount in any way they can.

It's not really about amount either. Iran is at a crossing point, where it's culture is divided. A portion of the society really wants to live like westerners, that's obviously frowned on by the current leadership. It's an ideological clash, there is going to be dissent when the people who want that, can see they've been denied a shot at it for x amount of years until the next election. However, that doesn't make the election fraudulent.

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Many of the protesters have few issues with the style of living in Iran. Iran is somewhat moderate in comparison to some other Islamic nations. Western style clothing is quite common and women are not forced to wear robes from head to toe. Many women hold university degrees and enjoy some of the freedoms common in western nations, although there is room for improvement when it comes to womens rights. Several women have been elected to Parliament. Their universities are up to date and the country enjoys a certain level of technology that some of its neighbors might envy. Their use of the internet and modern communication systems such as Twitter indicate a level of sophistication equal to that of most European nations. They have geothermal and solar energy plants superior to that of their neighbors and on par with, and in some cases ahead of, those in the rest of the world. They are the only producer of wind turbines in the area, and as we all know they do indeed have nuclear power generation capabilities. They are not living in the middle ages. Their law is based on an open democracy/theocracy, which is where all this current trouble began.

The funny thing is that Moussaoui is not all that different fundamentally than Ahmedinejad when it comes to policy. He is slightly more moderate, but not in a major way. The people protesting are not trying to end the Islamic Revolution that swept the country when the Shah was removed from power. To the contrary, Iranians are proud of their Islamic culture and the role it plays in their daily lives. This is one reason why the clerics play such an important role in their society. What is being challenged is the legitimacy of those in power. Power has been consolidated into a few individuals who do not seem to hold the best interest of the people in mind. The longer they have been in power, the more control they have seized by placing their own people in key positions. Corruption is a key factor in the countries unemployment problem. Because Iran does not play well with the rest of the world, trade restrictions have worsened their economy. Oppression is a serious issue when it comes to political differences. We all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and these are the main issues in Iran today. People simply want a change of regime, fresh voices, and less political corruption. They do not seek to entirely change the system, merely the players.

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recounts? hah, I was still thinking that would only happen in USA

but at least in Iran the people do go on street to protest the results, at least that is the difference between Iran & USA