I think that all of the dominoes have been set and they are being tipped in their proper order. The only fight that has been won in congress lately that imo pertains to NWO plans is the gun issue.

It strikes me odd though that only a few have commentented on the other dominoes.
Just these past few months...
1. Camp legislation passed to fund the expedited plans for "emergency facilities"
2. Legislation passed for mass funding of big pharma..tied to the bailouts.
3. H1N1 pops its head up. Scientists continue to say that it "may" be stronger the next phase...fall.
4. Now the "health Plan".
Assume it passes:
H1N1 returns with fury without even combining with H5N1 (bird flu) as some suggest. Many become deathly ill in the same lines as this time, Those with pre-existing conditions...elderly, infirm, diseased and malformed, they are not to be given care. Sad, unless you are a family member of hard struck families then it is fighting mad community.
Time for the fema camps to house the dying and pissed off family members..of course for moral support.

Add Tamiflu to the equasion and the results may be much worse due to the side effects of the "new" vaccine.
The steps in this scenario passed through congress to quickly and recently to be coincedence. Not to mention we had no "disaster eminent."

Add the global crisis tied to the US dollar and the greed that crashed it. A bank holiday during these conditions is fuel for widespread violence.
Unless they play a new marathon of Simpsons on Fox!

I personally am prepared for most emergencies. Suggest you all do the same. If your on the road during this crisis, I promise I won't shoot unless you show hostile intentions.

I already don't have healthcare insurance, my job does not provide any and I do not make enough to afford the monthly cost of it. I am lucky that in my county we have a generous clinic who, if you are working and eligible for the program, they pay 100 percent of medical care, and if you think I am just being given a pill, your would be wrong. My hunny, who has health care insurance that he pays for through his job, around 120 per month, he and I had a gall bladder issue at the same time. We went into the Emergency room together, I was put in the hospital, given the best of care and surgery. I walked out feeling like a new woman. They sent him home, told him to contact his HMO, they would need to schedule this with a particular doctor, and it could not be done for around 2 months. He never had the surgery, just lots of Lorecet Plus.

I think Obama should be tried for treason and human rights atrocities for his plans and actions.

It is all begining to come clear why they need these camps and train cars to haul people to holding and termination facilities. The plans for the NWO, Population Reduction to 500,000. Monsanto GM crops to damage your DNA and make you sick, Aspartame type artifical sweetners that are deadly poisons, the 'diet craze' in the media to get more people on their diet drinks and food to poison you for the same EVIL reasons.

It's an all out war on your right to live and expect good food and medical care. I never thought I would be one to hole up in my house with assault weapons when the goon squads come to disarm you so you can't fight against the termination agenda which will surely follow. And now that these things are coming together and starting to be reported, we not only see a Pentagon report on their plans to destroy the internet as it currently is so they can control those unfortunate live leaks that circumvent their stranglehold on our so called MSM Free Media, but something more ominus to think about is now that these things are being exposed and people waking up to their new nightmare that is coming will only make them have to move much more quickly before their plans are exposed to the 'critical mass' that will be the tipping point where they will lose the ability to pull it off and instead turn out to be the hunted ones, and there prisons, train cars, chemicals, poisons, etc are used against them in the ultimate reversal of fortune.

How sweet it will be to have them all in their shiny new bar apartments where we can watch the payback for their war crimes.


Oh yea, if you don't like what I have to say, Frankly I don't give a damn.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this so far because I couldn't stand to continue reading all the hysterical reactions to this proposal.

Right now everyday in this country private insurance companies make these very same decisions you are in a screaming about . Life and death decisions based on cost effectiveness. Life and death decisions based solely on their legal duty to shareholders to maximize profits for the insurance companies!

It is well documented ...including the CEO of Allied Health Care who individually made 1.6 billion dollars denying treatment to sick and dying Americans as a glaring example of the current policy.

In other words to spell it out for you they have a profit incentive to deny treatment! Impede preventative medicine by promoting expensive pharmaceuticals etc, etc.

You are subsidizing the wealthy with the current healthcare system. 1 out of every 3 dollars spent on healthcare in the US goes into the pockets of these fatcat middlemen.

So these difficult decisions will not disappear. I would prefer to leave these decisions in the hands of doctors not politicians, bureaucrats, or insurance parasites.

Single payer is the only fair and sane option. An option that Obama is not offering because he is in the pocket of the industry. That's what you should be mad about!

We need campaign finance reform to remove ALL corporate money, lobbyists etc from elections and let the people select THEIR representatives not corporate interests.

Repeal corporate personhood...what a fiasco. How did a corporation attain the same rights as an individual!!! Get rid of the FED! To big to fail...then they are too big and should be broken up. Trust busting. Take back the power! Restore the Labor Movement. Repeal unfair trade agreements that chase cheap labor around the globe!!

Bring our troops home and protect our borders. Arrest employers who hire illegal immigrants not the immigrants! If the jobs are not available they won't come to the US.

Simple but not going to happen without Campaign Finance Reform.

The congress, executive and judicial no longer represent the people. They represent the elite TPTB.

So that is my rant for the night!

So, a President trying to reform health care, which of course, cannot possibly make everyone happy, is suddenly trying to depopulate the country. Yea.. ok.

The very big key being introduced to this legislation is the Legal authority to deny health care. That hasn't been part of the law.
Think it is a small issue?

Do you remember the debates during the homeland security act of 2002?

The official line is that it wouldn't be used agains americans and wouldnt find new uses like the Rico law does.

Now how many Americans has this law been used against?

Once the door is cracked open the Big Elephant of government squezes through and leaves a gaping hole.

Go ahead and say thats fear mongering. I dare you.
Rather open your eyes and review history. In fact show me one law that has helped 100% of Americans... Better yet show me one that has helped the middle classs.

They are trying to STOP the RAPTURE!!!!!!

I like the idea of thinning the herd.

I can hardly wait for the Obamic bomb... MILITARY DRAFT and MASSIVE INFANTRY warfare.

Oh heck, for once, I'm along the same lines as something that Obambi has proposed.

For far too long, the medical profession has expended extraordinary resources, time, money and effort to trying to treat themost critical of the infirm, but sadly, those that will never recover. I'm sorry, but if you're way on teh old side, don't take care of yourself reasonably well or spend your life addicted to the most abusive of illegal drugs, like heroin, crack and weed, then yeah, I think that a communal/socialist based healthcare system should be able to say 'You know what.. we just don't want to spend teh extra money on you' and if its a choice between you or the younger kid when it comes to a transplant and so on, well i would imagine it should go to th eone with the much better chance of improvement.

we've become weaker as a species, and I can't blame it all on teh environment and chemicals in our food. When we started letting retards marry and have kids to term, taking heroic measures for those that shouldn't survive past 5 to get to breeding age, and so on, we've set ourselves up for a fall by letting their faulty genetic stock propagate.

On top of it, we take extreme measures just ot make sure that any woman who can spread her legs can crap out multiple kids at a time. You know, maybe nature had a reason for certain people to be infertile. but hey, we can't allow that, it might make someone sad.

doesn't matter what spin you put on it.. "high functioning" & "developmentally delayed" retards and the like are still retards and aren't getting past a poor grade school level of ability... and take up 10 times teh resources.

now im sure someone wlll trot out the old fallacy "if you're so much for population reduction, why don't you practice what you preach and kill yourself first" and my response is.. sorry to disappoint you, but I'm healthy, take care of myself and am likely more intelligent and a quicker learner than you are. so when it comes down to me or some downs kid with a failing heart and immune system, guess what, I deserve treatment more. I will likely be easier and cheaper to treat, have a much better ability to contribute to society. Thats just the way nature works. maybe in a few generations, we might actually become strong as a species again.

Eugenics is already in use in the UK, I know of a young woman who's baby girl [in her womb] had many things wrong with it, spina bifida, amongst many, the babys life would not have been pleaseant to say the least, anyway, the baby had a strong heartbeat, the pregnany was progressing okay, as far as that goe's, the baby went full term, birth was okay, but the baby girl still died shortly after [same day].Over two years later that still upsets me....

Originally posted by Shades1035
well, that guy sounds like a nutcase comparing Obama to Hitler imo. That is just twisted.. Get A GRIP!!!

Obama is just trying to reform the twisted health system in the US.

I bet many here have seen the movie Sicko by Michael Moore. If you haven't, watch it. If you have, watch it again!

The fact is, USA is the only western country who leaves ppl to die if they don't have the correct insurance. Those who have insurance are often likely to be denied care because of some bull# bureaucratic reason the insurance company can find.

In the rest of the western world, like Canada, France, UK and the rest of Europe people don't need any insurance. They just get care and don't have to worry about money. Only extereme republicans would call Canada or UK socialist for providing care for their citizens.

I think Obama should go further than just providing a state insurance, but I sort understand he can not reform the sick twisted profit-only system that exists today in one step.

His plan is a step in the right direction but imo he should introduce a health system like in the rest of the western world directly!

Michael Moore movie? no thanks, I've had my quota of propaganda for the week.

I'm not Canadian, French, British, or any other sort of european. I applaud them for their "solutions" to their own problems, and would appreciate being left alone by the government to deal with mine. I don't want a european solution, I'm not european.

You have some very "progressive" ideas. You should keep those "progressive" blinders on. We wouldn't want you to be upset by seeing whats coming when Americans have had enough of this failed political system called socialism.

I'm thinking that day isn't far off.

Originally posted by awakentired
Good find.

Seems our US government is so tirelessly trying to follow in the footsteps of the Nazi regime that they must have a timeline overlay to get it just right.

They are trying to get as much agenda thru while Obama's approval rating is still high....

...and possibly before Obama realizes what he is doing.

Originally posted by Renegade Bison
maybe i'm wrong nhere, i'm not american and don't know the system inside out.

but isn't refusing patients who need care and leaving them already what happens with the priovate insurance companies?

or if you aren't ensured, doesn't roughly the same thing apply?

NO. It is not what happens with privatized health care. HMO's have more hoops to jump through, but, you still get care. You just may have to see a doctor on the HMO's list. PPO's are more open and you can choose whoever you want

Even if you have NO health insurance, you won't be refused health care. So this screaming and crying that there is no health care for the uninsured is not true. Go to an emergency room. You will not be turned away for health care. Go to the doctor, you will not be turned away. Not only that but we have lots of free clinics, government run health clinics and even free dental clinics.

How many Americans do you see with really bad teeth? Not many. Those with bad teeth do so because they don't bother to go to the dentist. Not because there is no availability for them.

Having a father that stayed in the ICU for 7 days(end stage emphysema) without insurance, I can tell you, no one is turned away and if you need medical care, it will be given to you. Ask the illegal immigrants!!

While Obama may not be a Nazi in the true sense, I have no doubt that he as sinister intentions for this nation.

This Obamcare plan will cull the herd in a disturbing way. Just in time for the generation of baby boomers who will be retiring in droves. This mass retirement will put a huge strain on the current govt. systems. So,in response, Obama will just hand out pain pills and let people die. There will be no treatment for those with chronic illnesses. The terminally ill will just be allowed to wither away in a morphine induced coma and in about 10 years Obama and his handlers will have a fresh new country to play with.

Great plan. So good in fact that Barry and our congressmen will not use it.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by jibeho]

Ha Haa!! I LOVE incredibly stupid posts like the OP!! And the people who have responded to it and believe it!! It isn't hard to feel superior (even when that's NOT what you're looking for) at ATS with so amny people eager to believe nonsense. I wonder what...............GLENN BECK..............would have to say about this??? That's right ATSrs, get your erection now (or the female equivalent of an erection, if you are of the female persuasion) I said the name of the luminary YOU think just has a great grip on reality: GLENNNNNNN BECKKKK!!! Ha Haa!!! BELIEVE!!

This is already done on some levels anyways.

I've heard many people say that people from other countries come to the US for medical treatment. Is this true? Does anyone actually know anyone who comes here for treatment? I only ask because I've never heard of anyone actually knowing someone who does this, yet I hear it all the time, esp. from people in politics.

I know many people from the US who go to other countries for treatment and medications because the care is better and the cost is so much less.

As far as the eugenics...I'm still digesting all that. While in a very fine eating establishment last winter I overheard a group of professors discussing it. Never having taken the topic seriously, I was completely appalled. They were talking about specific races, and not the ones you'd think. A lot of the reasoning they talked about was ones inclination towards addiction of any kind, but esp. alcohol. They specifically named a certain race that they said had virtually no addiction issues, and I was thinking to myself that they aren't looking hard enough. Basically, they were discussing this taking place to rid the world of those who are a drain on it, based on race. And they discussed how genetics are being manipulated to accomplish this, by race. I have no idea how serious they were about any of this, but they certainly seemed sincere in their beliefs for this process.

For those who speak of the elderly and poor people as though they should be thrown out like garbage, remember this: You yourselves could be poor or elderly one day. Let's see how quickly your tune changes then. Whatever happened to compassion? Would you stand by and watch a family member or friend die needlessly and say they are just a burden on society? If you have a beautiful and loving child who is somehow impaired, do you say get rid of the child? What kind of human beings are you anyway?