Have you ever watched the movie "What the Bleep do we know"? Actually by the look of your thread, it would seem you just watched it before writing the thread.

The movie is basically an introduction to quantum mechanics theory. For a simple overview, I will say that it works on the premise that matter cannot exist until it has been measured. They use an example in one part of the movie of Cortez's ships sitting on the horizon and the natives cannot see them, but the Indian priest notices the change in the waves on the shore and is confused, it is at this point that he sees the ships on the horizon and thus the entire tribe then sees them. These people have never seen a ship before so they could not perceive them until the priest described it. I would argue to this, that just the fact that the wave pattern was altered would be a direct indication of the prior existence of the ships.

Although I believe that quantum theory may work on a sub atomic level, I do not think it is applicable in our dimension or plane of existence. Another good example is the way a light wave acts when passing through one or two slits and then transposed on a wall or background. This would indicate that light is both particle and wave simultaneously and can be seen in these forms only if the conditions are right.

Recently I added a couple of pictures to my living room wall while my wife was at work, when she came home I was gone at the store and when I came home she said, I like the new pictures. How would you explain that with quantum physics? She was totally unaware that I even took the pictures, let alone had them developed and bought frames and hung them while she was at work. Therefore under your theory, they shouldn't yet be in existence to her until I pointed it out.

Most of what you said can be explained with two ideas. Perspective and gravitational influence on matter. As you state if you look at something from a distance, it appears different, this I would imagine is because of the slight effect of gravity on the light, we see this all the time in space. A good way to test this idea is to try binoculars and bring the object closer to eliminate the possible effect of gravity, notice it returns to its original shape and color when viewed under magnification. As for the fly seeing something differently from you, that is a case of perspective accompanied by the fact that the fly's eye structure is completely different from yours. I believe that a dog's eye does not see one of the color spectrums, red I believe if my memory serves me correctly; therefore, the dog cannot see objects in the same color scheme than you can, this does not mean that red (or whatever color it is) does not exist, it only means that the dog is ill equipped to see it.

This theory may hold true for sub atomic particles because they are so small they may be able to pass through dimensional boundaries in much the same way that the aids virus is small enough to pass through a condom. But even that is kind of a violation to quantum mechanic theory, a better explanation would be that your brain is so powerful it called the object into manifestation through the dimensional portal.

Your theory could even be a confirmation of some Biblical theory such as "Faith can move mountains." or "Seek and ye shall find." If in fact we are made in God's own image, we would surely have the potential mental organization to bring matter into existence right?

[edit on 6/23/2009 by DarrylGalasso]

This is very much on topic.. but its short

The problem has never been the answer the problem is understand what the question is

And by that i mean what is the function of why it is you ask.

can you tell me why you ask questions and how it works? and for what reason?

; )

Quantum physics you are the part asking = infinity, and why?

the very method that enables you to ask questions is the very same thing you live inside

its called the universe

call it a gift

and if you do not understand

The universe is a physical representation of the method of asking questions



[edit on 23-6-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

this reminds me of a quote from Brief History...

"When Bishop Berkeley expressed his belief that all
material objects are an illusion, Dr. Johnson cried,
"I refute it thus!"
And stubbed his toe on a large stone."

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness adhering to itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death life is only a dream and we're an imagination of ourselves.
Now I'll be heading on back to the uhh weather conspiracies with Tom.

If mind is the reality constructing, managing and perceiving the material experience, and if we - consciousness - are 'God', for want of a far less abused word - experiencing Ourselves, or rather, Ourself in this dream of matter and time - then you could argue that full understanding of this would blow the suspension of disbelief, and spoil God's movie for Him. I mean Us.

But if 'God' doesn't know well enough to hurl his popcorn at the screen and walk out of the cinema when the movie's this meandering, depressing and full of such boring characters, then maybe that's proof of the idea that consciousness sacrificed its judgement as well as its omni-everythingness when looking at the listings.

Maybe the gig here is to wake up to the movie, or dream. Maybe, if consciousness has infinity and eternity on its hands, things like a universe are an amusing distraction. Maybe there will be an epiphany for consciousness - an almighty 'A-ha!' moment, and maybe such moments simply break up the boredom of perfection a bit. Children are wont to make a lot of noise and commotion when bored too.

On a smaller scale though, as individuated consciousness, there seems always to have been some power or other, some institution or other to reinforce and elaborate what I think P.K.Dick called 'the black iron prison'.

If we're all dreaming this reality into existence, then who or what is it that herds the dreamers? Are we all hypnotised and cowed by a succession of utterly disempowering paradigms so that we never wake up?

For thousands of years people have been talking about miracles and transcending the laws of physics, etc., and modern man largely disregards or mocks this. But what if there's a mass consensus problem with doing miracles? What if it isn't physics that stops them, but us and our idea of what physics would consider naughty? Religion's answer to people (outside the club of course) doing 'impossible' things has always been rather severe too.

Sorry if this sounds a bit off-subject, but I do feel it relates to the question of whether matter exists. I feel that everything exists only in terms of consciousness and perception ... but maybe that raises the question of what we perceive consciousness to be. Just our sort? In many beliefs all matter has consciousness of some sort. Just not the sort we have, which is perhaps confused with the organ in our heads. If Dawkins is right to describe our brains as simply evolution's incredibly elaborate simulation facility, then to confuse that with consciousness seems incredibly and ironically short-sighted.

And by the way, whatever Schrodinger was trying to prove (or mock actually, as I understand it), what about the poor cat's perception? Since it's only a hypothetical experiment, why couldn't it have been Schrodinger's Grandma, or Schrodinger's gardener?

If the whole universe is consciousness trying to wake up, then we could be considered the cutting edge of that effort I suppose, as rocks, clouds, cats, algae etc., seem disinclined to ask themselves the big questions. Or maybe rocks know they're just dreaming of being rocks, and see no point in making a fuss.

If all this illusory matter is just the infinite us messing about I don't mind. I just don't like the idea that it's something else's illusion, and that I might wake up in an amniotic pod with a jack-plug in the back of my head.

When scientists create a microscope with a large enough magnificance they'll find that micro and macro mimics. They'll eventually see through the micro world and go through it to see the macrocosm in micro form.



[edit on 23-6-2009 by jvm222]

It amazes me when people tell others they are ignorant or that their position on a subject is obviously wrong, when they are the ones who lack the basic ability to grasp the concepts.

Think about this. Try to explain to someone else that you exist. You have no proof to offer. The one and only truth that can be known for a fact is "I think therefore I am". I can tell myself that you think therefore you are, but I have no proof of that. Someone posted "of course matter exist". In other words suggesting that we should believe our own eyes. If we are to take that approach, we have instruments that let our eyes dig deep enough to see that matter has no true mass at all. To assume that what you see is reality simply because you see it, is what I call the Deep Sleep. Its where we all start out and some of us just need a good shake to wake us up.

And what about philosophy, scepticism, poetry etc. Aren't they all, just chemical reactions in our brains? Love? All of our thoughts and our feelings? Even this very topic. Just chemical reactions. But we have to see far more the plain and sometimes boring truth.

IF you would study quantum physics, you would know that the realm we perceive as reality does not exist - it is all energy moving in time. If you can freeze it, the matter disappears. For matter to exist there must be a movement - there is no light without the movement, there would be no molecules, if they would not move and vibrate.

It is not possible to capture the energy (in a movement it is called matter) and observe it. If you stop it - it would stop existing like a photon of light.

Originally posted by Zealott

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness adhering to itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death life is only a dream and we're an imagination of ourselves.
Now I'll be heading on back to the uhh weather conspiracies with Tom.

Brilliant! I said that to my physics professor (minus the acid part), and she looked at me kind of puzzled and said "thats kind of right"! Go Bill Hicks, "heres Tom with the weather"!

-E-

Originally posted by FIFIGI
IF you would study quantum physics, you would know that the realm we perceive as reality does not exist - it is all energy moving in time. If you can freeze it, the matter disappears. For matter to exist there must be a movement - there is no light without the movement, there would be no molecules, if they would not move and vibrate.

It is not possible to capture the energy (in a movement it is called matter) and observe it. If you stop it - it would stop existing like a photon of light.

Yes! but is time not product of our linear physical perception of the speed of light?

Therefore entanglement and non-locality would dictate that time also is a limitation set by our physical reailty!