Can matter actually exist? Nope!, page 11

reply to post by Xtinguish

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because of matter

simple really

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by Xtinguish

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because of matter

simple really

How scientific.

If the pain is being caused by the rock is only existing in your mind, then how can something inside your mind be caused by something outside of your mind. How can a mind-dependent sensation, like pain, manifest itself from a mind-independent thing? If this rock truly exist as this rock, and not just some idea we have of it, then it's properties should be constant in ALL things. No?

Originally posted by Mad Regent

Originally posted by dviper785
i think the initial question is flawed because "real" is subjective to this reality we are in. so, matter would be real in this reality but it wouldn't be in any other reality

How can something not be real in reality? That is a contradiction.

It's not a contradiction, you are merely pointing out a difference in semantics.

What I was trying to say was that reality is this topic, the original argument, is referring to physical reality, as oppose to a possibly less dense, energy based reailty sitting on a differently rotated axis of symmetry making it unviewable from this, physical reality. As oppose to the possibly energy based reality.

Particle/quantum physics and even the concept of symmetry in physics is amazingly complicated to understand at the alternate dimmensional level so for more info look up topics like the standard model, E8 theory of everything, grand unification theory, quantum field theory, elementry particles, and the 4 fundamental forces in the universe.

reply to post by Xtinguish

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it all about connection

energy can not be destroyed as they are one of the same thing...

One the level of the atom we use energy.. if you zoom out you get a body..

its all about scale my friend not fuzzy logic

a rock is a rock because that is your reality..

do not question your own being.

If I get run over by a car would you argue that the car was not real ?

I am sure you would not.. why? because that care is made of matter, and matter is a description of a physical object made from atoms..

not hard really is it?

reply to post by Xtinguish

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because your not a rock

a rock has no nerves system YOU DO hehe

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by Xtinguish

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because your not a rock

a rock has no nerves system YOU DO hehe

Ok?

But aren't those nerves the same type of matter that makes up the rock? Is it different? How?

Can the nerves in my body exist without my mind?

Reply to post by Xtinguish

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I believe you may have confused yourself friend!

It is not that matter does not exist without the mind. It is that perception does not exist!

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reply to post by Xtinguish

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well no because they belong to you?

Matter is Real.. its a word.. a description of a physical object..

Atoms are a collection that at REAL that from your physical reality.. FACT

Now.. on the other hand we have energy.. this is the other side of the equation..

BUT we have the thing that made BOTH ... this is what we are looking for..

What made engery AND matter ... you see?

CERN is one project that is going on to find the HIGGS partical aka "GOD" partical..

The only problem is YOU can not FIND what its is

And do you why?

YOU ARE IT

ironic to say the least.....

just want to edit this..

You are the reason for the universe ...

you are a function of it.. with out YOU there is NOTHING

Every person on this planet CREATES A UNIVERSE

why?

because that is how its meant to be..

are your prospectives the same as mine? NO do you share the same dimension as me ? YES

do you ever stop to think WHY that happens?

even tho its in your power to do so? OR shall you question your very being and ignore the BASIC facts that are looking right at you

look at a tree...

Does a tree as why it is a tree? HMM? NO they do not BUT they do function just like humans..

They GROW .. WE GROW

BUT what is the difference that counts?? the tree KNOWS its a tree

Humans on the other hand DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE

confused .. is what you are

Some.. on the other hand understand the role you play ..

They use you... why? because they can and they like you all to be calm.. and DUMB

Matter is real and this is not a joke

[edit on 23-8-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

reply to post by lifecitizen

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SymmetricAvenger, your posts are gibberish and you were arrogant to the extreme from your very first post and it just got worse from there.

Im sorry if the truth hurts, I may come across as agrogant because some people do not understand or even want to understand..

let me show you.. how arrogant you are shall i?

You have no clue WHY you are here You Put your faith in WHAT? god? when the very word it self is biblical.. you WANT to have a better planet but you do not know WHY

look our your window? do you think this is a joke? because your on ats and you find me arrogant?

I find that ironic to say the least...

The topic at hand was IS MATTER REAL

and i said YES IT IS.. and the reason why it is IS THE WORD used

its like asking if a duck is a duck... its kinda a very big give away

and if you want to roll off the edge of the world and pretend its flat and aliens and god are going to save you from your self fine

but here "in reality" im very happy to point out LOGIC to you

so yes i am arrogant do you know why?

I have a brain and i like to use it.

Now if you wish to insult me about my comments feel free to do so but i would much rather you comment on the topic and not how i talk

thank you...

reply to post by lifecitizen

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and just to note....

I am smarter than you And i know why your are here

did i scare you? do you feel small? am i better than you?

answer me this question...

what will you ask god?

and think of this also

When god sat on his throne be for he made the universe

what did he do first?

very logical question i am sure you can work it out.. if not .. well i guess i am smarter than you

correct? or you can just be a smarty pants and say something off topic about the very question that was in relation to is matter real

if matter was not real the word not be real now would it?

its a description of physical reality

its not very hard.. unless your crazy ..

and no im not from EARTH .. its a part time job .. lol life is so very boring but you guys are very very entertaining

have a nice life ./.

reply to post by Xtinguish

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Please understand a rock is not a life form...

you are confusing scale with .. well basic reality..

atoms make matter matter is YOU and the rock.. the rock does not need to know its a rock IT IS A ROCK

you question your own being for what? tell me if you had the chance to ask god or whoever put you here a question what would it be?

Dear lord my name is xxx And i want to know why im alive..

do you what god will say?

your lucky you got the chance to ask what you are


do you think that is a clue?

humans 1) stupid 2) ungrateful 3) love to know why why why...

and the funny part is

the answer to life is the very question you ask

YOU are the answer to life "you being here"

for every galaxy that is in the sky is YOU

you are a universe.. im sure by now you would have worked that part out.. or maybe not.

we did not ask to be here... you did not make the universe

did you? because if you did ill call you master.. and trust me it has no name

reply to post by lifecitizen

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Ah the joy of insults.... lets leave it at that shall we.. back to the topic at hand!

Matter in on its self is a description of a physical object...

Its not hard is it?

If matter was not real you would not be here... or typing on your computer

Its about scale... most people still think atoms are round lol

reply to post by Psychonaughty

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In order for the universe to continue

very simple really

that is why we have kids and stuff you know.. ect ect

Life is the GOOD part : )

its keeps IT all going

lets look at this in a mathematical way shall we, lets leave out god and aliens ..

You was created = 1

we know this because YOU and ME are the PROOF ok?

so we know we was made then comes catch 22 WHY

As i stated many posts be for ... the reason for this little cracker of a word is because its only a function of the bigger picture as i can show.

When or IF who ever created THIS thing...what did IT do first?

it asked WHY and the outcome of this little gem was YOU

Do the cells in your body ask why are they cells in your body?
Does a tree as why it is a tree?

NO and do you know why that is? because they have a different way of asking questions

a question is a function in of its self but to understand what it is, is another thing

Thats why we have QP because some people like me understand that the very question you are asking is indeed the very answer

Because in order to get an answer one must ask

yin yang ... i really do hate to sound like some old guy but its basic as 1+1 "to some"

you my friend did not created the universe nor will you ever understand WHY because if you did YOU would be god "or whatever"

so it would be pointless to think this

The only reason for infinity is YOU the only reason why we are looking for the higgs partical is YOU

YOU are the Higgs partical

Kinda hard trying to find your self i must admit.. but its funny to watch

and when people say "can matter be real"

The very word in the topic is the biggest clue do you not think?

considering you are using the WORD itself to question IT

i find that funny..

learning and understanding of what you are and WHY you are here will soon become apparent.

and here is a little interesting part for you

were will humans be in mm say oh i dunno 1 billion years?

still trying to find the answer to the question?

you bet ... just like aliens "some"

but some just get on with the job of being here its a lot more fun and your race does not VANISH

being stupid is one thing being arrogant is another.

And for all the people who post about QP .. i think you need to understand what it is .. not what it says

applied math is not the same as physics in this regard.

YOU are the outcome of an equation that is LOGIC the other side of this little coin is called CHAOS

the chaos is THE VERY QUESTION "or at least the action of such"

MIND has no shape
Universe has no shape

do you not see the connection here?

You live inside SOMEONES mind or somethings.. get use to it

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