An excelent first Op S+F
I think most have to agree that to exist in this reality, as measured by science in the physical aspect, it appears as pointed out an Observer is
This is the premise the OP is basing his further exploration on, though some have not noticed this and quoted a standard " it's Quantum Physics
fool" type reply to his erucidite OP.
Mirrors are very interesting in Quantum and philosophical questions to lol, back on OP now:
So the exploring how we are able to actually perceive it, be it energy, old school ball bearings type atoms of solid stuff, whatever is an improtant
and deep exploration.
I would like to ask a further question, beyond that, let's not ask how that observer is able to observe this energy/mass and in what way, means or
But taking the original premise of the OP an observer is needed for the subject/object to be observed in the first place, never mind how it observes
these things, but... but....
Who/What observes you as an observer to be able to experience these things anyhow?
As the premise would state and prove that the observer creating the observed would infact have to be observed in the first place, to exist itself and
be able to observe!
Ad Infinitum? who observes the observer that creates you observing the things you observe so that they all can exist truley?
So pondering this one comes to the least brain numbing thought and explanation in relative terms.... another question is needed maybe to understand it
in un enlightened and material/physical 3 dimensional terms....
Do the actual act of observation as well as creating the wave form collapse of the observed object/event/system, allow the observed to become aware at
a deep level it is being observed and therefore look back......?
Maybe just maybe the illusion of time is the answer? the observer creates the observed which being perceived is also self aware of this and looks back
as such and creates the observer?
This may sound far out, but unless you go down this thought train, having discussed as in the begging of this post, the observed having to be observed
by an another observer seperate to the object being observed, to exist in the first place, you are left in a very difficult place philisophically and
religiously from a monotheistic etc point of veiw, as Any God would need a god of their own, and that god's god another god to allow it to be a god
and observe our own, and create them.....
to have seen them,
Alternativally a infinite number of stacked observers would be needed, for each event in the universe, but then in both of these explanations there
would be no end to the heirarchy of observed and observers.
This makes no sense and is very unlogical.....
So the only explanation we can understand in our limited way of observing, discussing and understanding this universe and reality at our unenlightened
levels, is to postulate the One Mind theory, we are all parts of it, it has no beginning and no end, and is just that a consciousness of which we are
individual parts or systems.... and our ego's create that seperation.
As a cell is part of your body, is governed and controlled and responds, interacts with and lives within that system, the body is nothing without the
cells, the cells nothing without the body, neither is real or here without the other, it is interdependant. However the cell has no idea it is part of
the body, and is only really "self aware" as such seeing itself as a separate unit, which in a sense it is, but not also.
So is our consciousness imho having pondered the above for many years.
[edit on 24-6-2009 by MischeviousElf]