Originally posted by Xtinguish
So how does this matter work? How come things appear a certain shape, size, and color at a certain distance, and then completely different at another?
Is it possible that that this matter is totally only mind-dependent? Meaning that all matter is dependent on us perceiving it through our senses? What
is matter without the mind? What is color besides but various degrees of light? Isn't color just our eye, mind, and prism? If colors were real
properties wouldn't they admit no alteration, as some living things in nature can perceive things we cannot?
What about sound? Isn't it just vibrations in the air beating on our ear drums? Doesn't sound need the mind for us to perceive it? How would it
exist without the mind? The same for touch, taste, size, and motion.
Just because our brains interpret the light waves, sound waves and feelings that our ears, eyes and nerves pick up, doesn't mean that matter around
is totally false. It is illogical to think that just for sensory experience, matter doesn't exist. First being, we are NOT sure if observation
effects the objects in question. We do know that they stay where they are left and remain when we return, so we can only assume that they haven't
So if your argument is based on our brain's interpretation of things, how come they are almost always the same every time we look at them? I don't
believe that matter shape shifts when we look away. It still could do that... But your argument is against matter exists, why would you think that?
Everything still "exists", there just isn't a said standard to what you can perceive, as everyone probably sees a warped version of the same
object. To discount it even being there would be ignorant.
I have always wondered how we differentiate colors. What could be red to me could be orange to you, or vice versa. But then I realized, it is
universal what colors are, so why does it really matter? If either of us can point out a color that we recognize as red, blue, yellow, why would it
really matter what actual color we see?
Though I will give you something: it truly is impossible to tell what is reality and a dream. For all we know, we could be drifting in a dream. Maybe
what is in a dream is truly real. All sensory experience shouldn't be taken to be 100% correct, but at the same time, it is important to take note of
it and not discredit it at the same time.
So, lastly is what George Berkley called his Master Argument. This idea is attempted to show no object can ever exist outside of the mind, and to even
think so is inconceivable. Try and think of an object unconceived. Did you do it yet? Nope! Because soon as you try you have conceived of it!
I can see objects in my mind that I have never seen before that serve no purpose. Objects or things conceived this way are attributed to a style
called "abstract". You cannot think of anything unconceived (though, I don't know where you got from things not being able to exist outside the
mind to unconceived), because once you think of ANYTHING you have conceived it. Everything we know is based on our sensory experience, but even so, we
can conceive of things that do not exist in a sensory realm.
[edit on 6/23/2009 by FadeToBlack]