Wow it is seriously messed up people making excuses for police brutality.

I was also at the G20 protest's kettled for hour's for no apparent reason ,I also remember seeing ian thomlinson on the floor after being pushed by a nazi-esque cop.

Fact of the matter is if on that day NOT one single policeman was present it would have been an amazing day, The atmosphere was like nothing i had seen before.

I went by myself and ended up talking to a loads of like minded people, the atmosphere was amazing

If the police had not been there it would of been one giant street party/carnival.

Untill the police started kettling and hitting people it was amazing.

What do you expect people to do when you act like that towards them?

BooHoo one window got smashed! what about the bodies of hundred's of INNOCENT people? But no the media concentrated on the window of a bank getting smashed!

It worked nicely though judging by some people's attitude's on this thread

I hate this.
For us this is a religious holiday, and while we cannot be at Stonehenge, we often try to watch it online when we can.

Many pagans will be out there celebrating a religious holiday.
They are targeting a religious minority.

Um...

Why are all these "types" at the sacred site anyway? The celebration is NOTHING about debauchery and related activities!

I am not for the Feds or whatever yall call them there.

The solstice IS for a celebration but within respectful bounds. This would be akin to a bunch of muslims going into St. Peters and doing whatever they do to raise hell (no joke intended).

Remember and honor the past. This only taints the sacred spaces!

Personally, I have no way to cross the pond, let alone travel to Stonehenge during the solstice..

But I'd equate it with a party pilgrimage.

A place and time where people have gathered to celebrate at the same time of year for thousands of years! It's a connection with our ancestors, our Earth, and our universe. People have been partying at Stonehenge for 5000 years!

Watching something on TV or on the computer is definitely not the same as actually being there, and experiencing it.

My country is only 167 years old. That's a blink of an eye (sorry to use a tired cliché..)

....to a pagan mind...mine...it is a holiday with good reason to celebrate. Oh yes absolutely. It's a day of marriage between heaven and earth, a day when the old king dies and the new one's reign begins.

I know several very committed pagan groups, and I promise you all of them are having some fire spinning, dancing, drumming good ol' times this season.

We're not at Stonehenge, but you better bet your britches they'll be some celebration around here.

I can understand why some people think religious should equal serious quite and respectful worship, that's what their religion has taught them, but buddy that ain't the case round here!

We do the rites, and we party all night.

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God almighty! who cares!!!! Isnt the world supposed to end in 2012 anway? Seriously though, who cares if a few kids go out there, have a good time and as long as they leave responsibly who cares??? Yeah, watch out for them as they leave because i guarantee you Mr. and Mrs. Officers, they will be doing it in every spot you CANNOT reach. Before you get there, they will do it, i promise. . Great thread. and please please please guys and gals, dont ruin it for us all, and have a good responsible time!!

Double post!

Sorry!

[edit on 19-6-2009 by ziggyproductions05]

Originally posted by hadriana
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They are targeting a religious minority.

They are out there because there will be a large amount of people gathering. They would be doing the exact same thing if there was a group of christians out there or if there was another large group that wanted to meet out there.

I can imagine they will be showing out in force because of the small group of trouble makers that always end up showing up at large public events, its got nothing to do with the people that are going being pagan or anything.

Let them do their job, don't provoke them, be nice and everything will be fine.

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Is there any kind of police presence at Burning Man Festival then? Seems like a similar enough event to also warrant this kind of unnecessary police presence.

For thinking people of unbiased judgment, who have taken a serious look at the evidence, for those who can face the ugly truth, the conclusions are inescapable.

In the UK at least, this is how it works at any event that is at all political:

The trouble makers are allowed to cause trouble, vandalize, destroy, whatever they want, for a while, and then they are chased off. The goal is never to stop them, just to get great footage of them to put on TV and scare the sh*te out of blue haired old ladies and the sort of dapper old gents who, filled with shame, hide in their closet and masturbate to framed portraits of Cecil Rhodes. Anyways, those old people are conditioned to always watch the nightly news and its always supposed to scare the crap out of them.

The peaceful people are beaten, badgered, corralled/kettled/whatever they want to call it, taunted, antagonized by uniforms, egged on by undercover agent provocateurs....all with the goal of creating more havoc and violence. The abuse of the weakest is a tactic that is specifically encouraged in an attempt to trigger the strong and the good to engage the police in direct combat where they will be beaten to death.

The only logical conclusion based on the evidence you can arrive at is that the goal of the police is to create as much havoc and mayhem as possible, because that more than anything else serves the interests of the police state.

Another unavoidable conclusion is that the peaceful people are considered the real danger to the UK police state. They are well aware of the successful history of civil disobedience, of passive resistance, of peaceful resistance, of massive resistance, and they are very afraid of it. It cost them India after all, and boy did they love owning India.

You want to be safe at a protest in the UK? Get away from the peaceful people and stick close to the hooligans. After all, the hooligans are there to smash windows and spray paint buildings. The cops are there to smash skulls and paint the streets with innocent blood. Not that you wont have to run from cops at some point, it's part of keeping up appearances, and they are always hoping to get a few people will give them some quality street fighting footage. After all, the planners know from social science anyone can check on that most people are so completely non violent as to avoid direct violent confrontation at nearly any cost, and that you have to seek out the aggressive types to get good street fighting footage.

And before people start lecturing about 'footie' riots those are a different story. That's just general mayhem and as there is nothing political about the event (usually...the two can overlap), the tactics are a bit different. They still want to get footage that scares old people though.

My son is working as security at Stonehenge today, I will let you know what went down with police numbers and their attitude.

Dont understand why they would need him if they are bringing out the riot police though.

regards S_G

To be honest, I'm gonna have to agree with Itsallcrazy. As much as I'd like to think that the summer solstice will only be made up of people peacefully celebrating their life, you've got to be realistic. The fact is that society in this country is getting worse every year for anti-social behaviour, it's actually ridiculous now.

I'm 21 so I've seen the whole chav and yob culture developing first hand and ruining this country, and I can tell you now that although most of the people at Stonehenge will be peaceful, you are also going to get a load of chavs turning up thinking it's some massive rave, getting drugged up and starting fights with anyone who looks at them funny.

I know the police ruin the atmosphere of things like that, but I doubt they're just going to go round battering every hippie they see. I'd rather have the odd policeman walking past me every now and then, than have to watch a load of chavs starting fights because they know no one can stop them.

[edit on 20/6/2009 by malganis]

Just a little note for those saying "oooh it's them terrible young peoples, they always ruin it, they're all brainless" That is not what the solstice is about, so you might want to get a clue before commenting further. Yes, some of hte people who are going, might be considered young. OMG YOOFS, RUN OFR THE HILLS. Jeebus.

It's a deeply spiritual celebration, thousands of years old. It is the most important date in the calendar for druids and pagans. It's not "some phat rave blud innit" And in 1985, the police battered men women and children in their live in vehicles (their crime? Being different) dragging pregnant woment through broken windshields, whilst beating them up. These are peaceful people, and they deserve a little respect because of that.