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Originally posted by Cyberbian
OK maybe we need to define a few things to free peoples mind from circular thinking.
Phenomena, the knowable, the proveable, the measurable.
Neumena, the unknowable the un-provable, the unmeasurable.
Astral Projection is Neumena. I don't think anyone who has any experience of it has the slightest interest in convincing you or anyone else of it's existence. It simply is not possible.
If you don't believe, you can either mutter the same phrases over and over, try for yourself and then decide, or move on.
Those of us who have some experience consider those who choose the first option to be only partially conscious. Both in this reality and the other.
I don't suppose you might have considered "the other" possability on why people are discussing this subject here. Not everyone who believe in something is an evangelist with some rigid set of cannonical laws, perhaps like yourself.
Maybe they are looking for others to compare notes with to enhance their personal experience, and fill out their own personal understaning of their experiences.
Maybe it is you who is trying to "Convert Everyone" to your dogmatic droning of predigested formality.
Is it so brave to always have to keep your eyes tightly shut hiding in the dark from things which may not fit neatly into your belief system, then go running to ask some authority what it is you believe in when you accidentally catch a peek of something untidy?
Just keep your fingers in your ears and keep chanting. There is nothing out there, there is nothing out there, there is nothing out there!
[edit on 28-6-2009 by Cyberbian]
why are you trying so hard to push this thing ?
Even sneakily making it sound equivalent to sex... That is some subtle manipulation you did there...
WTF do you get a bonus for every person or what ?
Originally posted by RobertPaulsim
2 - Earthbound spirit... i found one in my house.. some random guy with
a crazy attitude against my wife.. i saw him and the AP ended.
>> Not to worry... we are 6 billion people, this should happen frequently.
It's funny you mention they might trick me into believe they are a loved one. One of the reasons I am starting to feel that this is my purpose is an incident that happened a couple months ago. My grandfather's ghost has appeared to several members of my family at my grandmas house. Well, they thought it was him anyways. I had never seen him...until a few months ago. He appeared when I was there. Everyone else saw Grandpa, but I sure didn't. Nasty creature is what I saw. When it looked at me, I can only describe it as a shocked look on its face...I assume it could tell I could see it in its true form. Now for the 2nd strange part...it fled. I didn't do, or say anything. But it fled, and has never been seen again.
They certainly are the masters of deception, but obviously some can see through that. As I said, it's not as if I did or said anything special, I just saw the demon for what it was.
I am Christian...and have quite a strong faith (compared to others...maybe not compared to what it SHOULD be.) [...] I DO believe that any hunting must be done as a vessel of God, and only through His power are we capable of overcoming a demon.
Originally posted by Whine Flu
Now now, watch what you say! YOU MIGHT BE SATANIC AND TRYING TO CONVERT US!