Through the astral projections I have done I've come across nothing nasty at all. Has anyone closed their eyes in their astral form? I did and as I looked at my body, everything was all red like when you close your eyes on a sunny day, except I managed to see my body glowing in white. Was pretty damn cool.

I wasn't really aware of any garden. I've also walked through a window, stabbed my hand through a window over and over, only to notice my reflection floating there with its' arms folded.

The feeling of going through objects is weird. Your body just vibrates. It's epic.

How can you expect anyone to answer such a question when there is not a single iota of proof or evidence that such a phenomena even exists ?
And whilst I'm on about it ... the same goes for ALL occult and spiritual beliefs ... zip ... zero ... nada ....

I do hope you're being sarcastic.

..... Some things can simply not be proven to be fact, ... such as hhhmm, the big bang, ... relativity, even evolution.

... yet these are idea's people accept as fact, .... were dealing on a plane that cannot yet be measured by instruments or microscopes..... yet phsyics does support it, ... quantum theory's. How do you measure what you cannot see ? .... our understand of the universe is still in an infantile stage.
.... as far as dangerous ?? .... I've never encountered anything that hurt me. On that plane only you can become your worst enemy. Even then, I've had nothing worse than a few scares, ... and a few restless spirits trying to grab my attention. The only thing you might bring back is a change of perception/ability.

.... and for those of you who ask how I know it wasnt a lucid dream, or delusion ?? ..... I've been able to seperate while completely awake.

How exactly is it dangerous? Because he gets to learn something new about himself?

Geez, some people said masturbation was wrong and did a lot of bad things. It felt so good though, so how could it be wrong?!

Originally posted by Whine Flu
How exactly is it dangerous? Because he gets to learn something new about himself?

Geez, some people said masturbation was wrong and did a lot of bad things. It felt so good though, so how could it be wrong?!

why are you trying so hard to push this thing ?

Even sneakily making it sound equivalent to sex... That is some subtle manipulation you did there...

WTF do you get a bonus for every person or what ?

I havent seen people so desperate to covertly push # in a long time.

Ooooh, its like sex, they sid sex is bad too, now you like sex dont you... yeaaa, then try this too.... >

Theese people obviously want to lure you in.

It is ironic that this is happening on a conspiracy forum.

Uhhhhh...Mate, I think you're not really trying to get what I'm saying. I'm not trying to push anything here.

I mean, how could I exactly push it? I can't say I've had extensive experience with astral projection, but I don't see how it can be harmful. Ok, sure, there are malevolent entities out there if we're not careful. There are malevolent entities once I walk out the house. Is there really any difference?

Well, I guess there probably is. I mean, I don't think people can possess you. Actually, upon reflection, I guess they're about the same. People can drain your energy, people can get into your mind, people can wrench the life out of you. In fact, I'd be bold to say there's little difference. Well, the main difference I can see is that they're on a different density and being in their yard with little experiencewe can't really manipulate things like they can.

All I'm really trying to say is that there's no harm in trying. It can only make you more powerful. Apparently having the ability to leave your body means you're already powerful, anyway. There's no point trying to scare people out of something that could, in turn, help them find out a little more about themselves and their abilities. Taking away their ability with negativity isn't something that can advance people. You don't really want to hinder people's progress, do you?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Originally posted by Picollo30
are there any risks to the soul / body when having a oobe? imagine our soul leaves our body and is harmed in the astral plane by evil entities or is unable to return. is that possible to happen?

If your naked when you do it you could catch a cold. This actually happened to someone I knew. He was in Denver at the time and it was pretty cold outside.

Seriously the Amazing Randi is offering One Million Dollars to anyone who can prove this paranormal stuff in his lab.

OK maybe we need to define a few things to free peoples mind from circular thinking.

Phenomena, the knowable, the proveable, the measurable.
Neumena, the unknowable the un-provable, the unmeasurable.

Astral Projection is Neumena. I don't think anyone who has any experience of it has the slightest interest in convincing you or anyone else of it's existence. It simply is not possible.

If you don't believe, you can either mutter the same phrases over and over, try for yourself and then decide, or move on.

Those of us who have some experience consider those who choose the first option to be only partially conscious. Both in this reality and the other.

I don't suppose you might have considered "the other" possability on why people are discussing this subject here. Not everyone who believe in something is an evangelist with some rigid set of cannonical laws, perhaps like yourself.

Maybe they are looking for others to compare notes with to enhance their personal experience, and fill out their own personal understaning of their experiences.

Maybe it is you who is trying to "Convert Everyone" to your dogmatic droning of predigested formality.

Is it so brave to always have to keep your eyes tightly shut hiding in the dark from things which may not fit neatly into your belief system, then go running to ask some authority what it is you believe in when you accidentally catch a peek of something untidy?

Just keep your fingers in your ears and keep chanting. There is nothing out there, there is nothing out there, there is nothing out there!

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Cyberbian]

I astral project... and I also do astral combat. Is projection necessarily dangerous? Not really.

It all depends on what you are doing, what your intentions are. Are you a peaceful traveler, an investigator, or are you purposefully seeking entities for the sake of battle?

A peaceful traveler will be left alone. You're just a wandering spirit traveling about, something most beings which live or act on that plane wouldn't concern themselves with.

An investigator, one who is seeking something (usually knowledge), more often than not will first be "judged", depending on what it is you are trying to learn, or "judged" on your person... your worthiness. If you are deemed unworthy or unfit, you are merely placed back into your body or fall into a deeper state of sleep, unaware that you ever left it.

If, however, you are seeking a combat situation, one of two things will happen. One, you are judged, and the above happens. Two, you will be harmed. Now, I am not saying you will be left maimed or crippled... what I am saying is that any wounds you receive astrally will appear on your body.

For example: I've woken with scratches across my chest, hand shaped bruising along the back of my arms, numbness of my extremities... stuff like that. I've also had entities pushing me or holding me down so I couldn't get out (I just drifted down, under my body, instead).

But like I said, it all depends on what you are wanting to do.

EDIT HERE: or depends on how astrally sensitive you are. That plays a big part as well.

[edit on 2009/6/28 by The Soothsayer]

Originally posted by The Soothsayer
...numbness of my extremities...

So they fight dirty in the astral realm, huh?

Soothsayer, Whome do you fight when you project?

Why?

How?

This is very curious to me, I have not heard of this before.
Is it a fairly common thing, to your experience?

Do you pick the fights, or do you go looking for something in nasty places and have no choice but to fight?

Originally posted by Cyberbian
We live in house of sorts, like a small child, we can perhaps safely slip out and wander around the garden.

Astral projection allows us the potential to slip out the gate and wander far from home. There are genuine threats, should you wander outside the garden. Across the highway, past the railroad tracks, and into the jungle.

One of the worst fates is that you stay away from home so long that you can't remember the original home when you return, can't recognize it anymore and therefore can't accept it as your home. Those spirits can become drifters, wanderers, breaking into other spirit's houses sometimes mistaking it as their own (like posessed). Along the way such a poor spirit might be tempted to join a bigger house adding power to the existing main spirit who dwells there or it is indoctrinated to believe the bigger house is supposed to be a common house where many spirits live and that is the way existence is. They can be indoctrinated and kept as pets for pleasure of the main spirit who owns the house. Such houses are hells of their own, some are even planes of their own so large, some are in complete chaos, almost abandonded or kept orderly.

There are many spirits like that after so many countless eons of evolution of spirit, some are so far gone they don't even understand they have a home of their own or even the concept of a house, like formless entities lacking all form and shape, just raw power of feelings like insanity without a mind to go insane. Some still grow in those situations and they may become agents of the spirit who owns the house, being send out to recruit or seduce newcomers. Others are merely kept to serve the home owner for energy so that the owner can do things which they could normally do after many eons of development, like perpetuum mobiles doing the same motions over and over again never really changing or evolving.

I do believe that this doesn't happen to the human sphere anymore because the human spirit withdrew from those spheres a very long time ago and created a sphere of it's own, seperate from those. We might still do evil deeds but more because we have been like that for so long, it is like a hard habit ingrained in our spirit that is fading and once it is completely faded away we will likely relearn our abilities and not have to fight ever again, just be spirits to explore, communicate in the many ways we do, or just have fun. If the human sphere would still be in contact with those spheres we would suffer unimaginably.

That these planes still exist is tragic and cause of much strife and disharmony which still affect our sphere in a way (but which also works bothways and push us to evolve in a way), these are the regions which are not only hard to reach mainly because they are not included in the usual representation of the astral planes but mostly because we have no memory of it and have to travel a really long way to get there. Which is completely logical since it is unwise to go there. Still there are those who work there, those who did not join to create the human spirit or simply left the human sphere after reaching a spiritual perfection, who chose to give all spirits a home of their own in safety and security, those are some very evolved beings who can not only create new homes but also teach those spirits how to create homes for themselves.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Dragonfly79]

To the OP: the best advice is LEARN first what to expect!

I suggest a book, in paper (not internet) - start with "Astral Dynamics"
of Robert Bruce... its 600 pages long, it covers EVERYTHING, what to
expect, what to do and why things are these way.

I projected myself 4 times already... it is life changing, BUT things got
a little messy for me, so there is a good balance from positive to negative
experiences.

## Positive:

1 - I got only very fast projections (10 secs) and the memory (or the good
reintegration phase (read the book!) is strong as wake memory;

2 - I experience the real time astral AND the astral proper, so I can prove
to myself the theory is right on the dot.

3 - Zero grav... oh my.. best thing ever... just amazing.

4 - TK is ridiculous strong there! Believe me, you can lift cars.

### Negative

1 - Astral noises. When reaching light trance and getting the vibrations,
my door was getting repeteadly hit, like some emergency was happening...
and the other day, my neighboor was 'moving his chairs' at 3:30' AM...
NON-STOP....

>> This can happen, but just ignore them!

2 - Earthbound spirit... i found one in my house.. some random guy with
a crazy attitude against my wife.. i saw him and the AP ended.

>> Not to worry... we are 6 billion people, this should happen frequently.

3 - Heart racing. FAST. It can be very distracting... and can leave you
wondering if you have a heart condition of sorts...

>> Again, no worries.. my heart chakra was unbalanced, i did some
energy work around and it got fine after 2 weeks.



See, dont worry and get on with it!

(people who say priest/dont do it have an agenda)

RP

Thanks, I'm going to get the book!

It sounds like a great resource.