911 How Could Al-Qaeda Have Known?

Originally posted by impressme
My thread is not about Bill Clinton so stop moving the goal post.

Since you're still ignoring what I'm saying I'll put it in real simple terms.

The attacks had been planned since the Clinton administration.
Bush came into office immediately after Clinton.
The attacks happened in September 2001.
For the Clinton administration to have known that attacks were being planned, they had to have been planned in at least 2000.
Thus the attacks were not something done on a whim and were not just thrown together last minute.

No one in here is ignoring any facts, leave out the sarcasm.

Wasn't being sarcastic, I was being serious. And yes you are, repeatedly.

Where in your Russian link dose it say there was an announcement that war games where being held in NYC and Washington DC. What newspaper made this announcement or television show air this announcement??

*sigh*

It's recap time again folks. Those who have paid attention to the flow of the thread and have read my posts can ignore this part. Everyone else please pay attention.

In this post I said that anyone who wants to know can find out what training exercises the military is doing ahead of time, along with the where, and when. Your response here quoted me saying it and demanded proof. So I responded with this post and provided links to articles where training exercises were released before they were held. Now you're trying to say the article I linked about the Russian training exercise that caused NORAD to be having a training exercise that week is all I've posted. Talk about trying to move the goal posts.

Where in this article does it states WAR GAME?

Here's a definition for you:

War game definition
war game
simulated battle carried out in order to test strategies or concepts; military training exercise designed to simulate a genuine battle situation

A training exercise and a war game are the same thing. Go argue semantics with someone else.

I also ask you to provide a link to the announcement of the war games on 911, before 911. And you fail to do so.

Yeah, that NORAD article announced it. You even quoted it yourself.

HELLO… Russia did not attack us and if you are implying that NORAD was doing war games over sea on 911 then you just PROVED that there WAS NO WAR GAMES IN NYC or our Washington DC. As the government claims they were.

Do you know where Russia is? Do you know which direction they fly when they do their exercises trying to penetrate US and Canadian air space? They don't fly east or west, they fly north. Do you know which direction NORAD flies to prevent them from doing so? North. There's this nifty thing up there called the North Pole and once you pass it you're on the other side of the world.

Thanks you, for Proving there was no war games going on in NYC on 911 this is what my post is partly about.

I didn't. You're just refusing to read what I post and instead are inserting what you want to believe. I for one am not going to waste any more of my time posting when none of you are capable of holding a discussion. It's blatantly obvious that you would much rather pat each other on the backs so I'll leave you to it.

This is the reason that the truth of what happened that day will never be figured out, whether that truth is similar to or the same as the official story or the complete opposite of it. Truth cannot be discovered by those who are so convinced of their own correctness that they refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%.

Have a good back patting session, that's all that will be accomplished here.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by Jenna]

Originally posted by Sanity
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

OK let me put my Romper Room pretend magic hat on...
Hmmmm... OK now I smart like you!

I get it - your right! Why bother to shoot down planes that go way off course when you can let disposable 110 story tall 767 catchers do the work?

Are you proposing the Airforce shoot down any passenger airliner that goes off course and loses communication?

Can you see how preposterous that is? ESPECIALLY BEFORE 9/11/2001.

Yup, you believe your fantasy schtick and I'll stick to the truth. Too bad you, like so many, cannot deal with reality well.

WOW, the concept is absofugginlutely mindblowing.. I just cannot imagine what you and your very special mind can see.

I wish I had those special powers to accurately dicern information on a freeflowing, unregulated media platform. I have just never even tried such a thing... /sarcasm

Tell me, just How_do_you_do_it???

Alright, I'm off to watch the Viagra commercial. Ah... here comes Bob!

That is Enzyte.. but I wouldn't expect you to get that right either.

reply to post by Taxi-Driver

That is Enzyte.. but I wouldn't expect you to get that right either

LOL!!! Well Bob I mean Taxi-Driver, I'll take your word for it! I'm sure you would know all the details about that sort of thing! You will have to forgive me but I don't need these "helpers," just like the commercials.

Too bad you don't know the details about what happened on 911 as well as you do a Viagra commercial.

Oh, here comes Bob again! He's smiling ear to ear and just reminded me that it's Enzyte, not reality, that keeps him smiling!

[edit on 6/19/2009 by Sanity]

reply to post by Jenna


This is going nowhere. Looking at you all bickering back and forth is getting boring.

Jenna, it's obvious that you don't understand where I'm coming from, so I will just leave it alone. Blind optimists(not saying you are) tend to dispose of negative thoughts from their brains so they don't even consider tragic events that could happen.

About ten years ago I was getting my car repaired and was waiting in the lobby. There was one lady there waiting with me. The news was on the tv and they were reporting on a massive flood in central america(I think). A lot of people were dying because of it. The lady was watching this but when they started talking about the deaths she turned around quickly and started reading her magazine again.

Some people just don't want "bad" things to happen, hence, they don't expect them to happen. I'm a realist, I know and expect "bad" things are going to happen. I'm not a half full, half empty glass kind of guy, I just see the glass and I know with all certainty that they knew planes were going to be flown into those buildings.

Originally posted by Sanity
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

That is Enzyte.. but I wouldn't expect you to get that right either

LOL!!! Well Bob I mean Taxi-Driver, I'll take your word for it! I'm sure you would know all the details about that sort of thing! You will have to forgive me but I don't need these "helpers," just like the commercials.

I don't either...but at least I am correct.. further, it is telling that you ridicule the most mundane of truth's ( like enzyte) when you are proven FLAT-OUT WRONG on your statements. Pretty common ground for you though.

Too bad you don't know the details about what happened on 911 as well as you do a Viagra commercial.

This is an idiotic assumption.. I KNOW the details.. BOTH sides of the details VERY well.

Oh, here comes Bob again! He's smiling ear to ear and just reminded me that it's Enzyte, not reality, that keeps him smiling!

Just keep laughing at your erronious ignorance.. it helps buffer the pain of being sooo wrong so often.

You think I am "bob"... Well you can be Ned! Watch






[edit on 19-6-2009 by Taxi-Driver]

reply to post by Jenna


Clearly, you will go to great lengths to CYA. You just can't be wrong! Well, this time you are wrong, and you are trying to spin this entire thread into something that fits the unrelated info you latched on to. Plain and simple, you have not shown one single iota of evidence that there was any advance notice given regarding war games in NYC planned for 911. The only thing you have thrown up is about the war games the Russian Air Force was involved in and how NORAD was supposedly keeping a sharp eye on their games on 911 and not our friendly skies over NY and DC.

I have already posted credible evidence in this thread showing the OP is correct. Go back and read. If our own president, government and military didn't have a clue about the war games in NYC how did Bin Laden?

Think about it. It doesn't matter what you throw at me, you can't escape the truth that no matter how evil Al-Qaeda is, they could not have pulled off 911 unless, of course, they had inside help here. And that is what this thread is really about so quit trying to derail it.

reply to post by Taxi-Driver


You're getting a little too weird now dude.

[edit on 6/19/2009 by Sanity]

Al Queda didn't need NORAD to stand down, have exercises, have wargames et.al..to be sucessful on 9/11/2001.

It is a NON-SEQUITUR

GET IT, NED?

reply to post by Taxi-Driver


What I get is that you are making irrational, self serving statements with no proof to back them up. Please give me the link that proves your statement about Bin Laden not needing NORAD to stand down, etc. to pull off 911.

If you really believe that Al-Qaeda could have pulled off 911 without massive help from us, you have no understanding of ligic.

Stick to your TV trivia.

Originally posted by Sanity
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

What I get is that you are making irrational, self serving statements with no proof to back them up. Please give me the link that proves your statement about Bin Laden not needing NORAD to stand down, etc. to pull off 911.

What would have been different? Would you have liked to see all commercial airliners shot down..just in case?

You would have had 36 minutes to do something once the attacks were apparent and confirmed. By that time you had many different NON-HIJACKED planes re-routing and attempting to land due to the immediate grounding orders.

Like I said, Hindsight is 20/20 Flight 93 was the only aircraft that could have been realistically engaged. The end result would have been the same (all passengers dying and the plane crashing in a scarcely populated area.

If you really believe that Al-Qaeda could have pulled off 911 without massive help from us, you have no understanding of ligic.

You just parrot what your handlers feed you.

How do you know who is going to commit a crime before it happens? Would it be legal to assume the worst? You need to take yourself back to 2000/2001 it was rather easy for Al Queda to do what they did. NOW it wouldn't be near as easy.

Al Queda took two very familiar Methods of terrorism and combined them on 9/11/2001

Suicide bombers
And Hijacking Aircraft.

Never had they been done in concert. But both have been done by Islamic radicals for decades.


C'mon Ned, shake off the sophmoric youtube media and wake-up.

You don't need to be controlled by those people.

reply to post by Taxi-Driver


Dude, now you are starting to embarrass yourself. YOU are the one with the videos, NOT me. I understand you're hurt but I won't throw out the truth to make you feel like you won some sort of battle.

You are entitled to your opinions about 911 but don't confuse them for nor present them as facts.

[edit on 6/19/2009 by Sanity]

reply to post by Jenna

Since you're still ignoring what I'm saying I'll put it in real simple terms.

Your rant is becoming off topic, furthmore, I am not the topic here.
As far as ignoring you, I will be soon if you continue with this ridiculous rant.

The attacks had been planned since the Clinton administration

Really, were is your sources for this information?

Bush came into office immediately after Clinton

What dose this have to do with the detail of the war games?

For the Clinton administration to have known that attacks were being planned, they had to have been planned in at least 2000.
Thus the attacks were not something done on a whim and were not just thrown together last minute.

Really, I don’t know were you get your information. Try and stay away from disinfo web sits.

President Bush said at a news conference Tuesday, "Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale." .

www.usatoday.com...





[edit on 19-6-2009 by impressme]

posted by Jenna

Since you're still ignoring what I'm saying I'll put it in real simple terms.

The attacks had been planned since the Clinton administration.
Bush came into office immediately after Clinton.
The attacks happened in September 2001.
For the Clinton administration to have known that attacks were being planned, they had to have been planned in at least 2000.
Thus the attacks were not something done on a whim and were not just thrown together last minute.

You have it right Jenna. The NeoCONs and the PNAC and their masters in the NWO had been planning their needed New Pearl Harbor Event from long before 2000. Since Clinton served them too; why wouldn't he know something about it? It was years in the planning stage and it is likely the next 9-11 event will also be years in the planning stage.

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Well, it has been six pages and no one can dispute the two sceneries that were presented, why am I not surprised. The OS believers do not want to discuss this, because looking at how the government tells its story as if none of these agencies such as NORAD, FAA, were not in operations that morning. That is what the alledge hijackers would need to pull off this spectacular event. I do not believe the hijackers infiltrate our government it does not make sense because our government screens their employees very well that means background checks are done especially in high-level job clearance, and FAA and NORAD falls under that description. No this looks more and more like an inside job and the alledge hijacking flying around restricted air space and just being in the air for an hour, it just could not have been done without the help of NORAD and FAA. We have already proving there were no war games going on in NYC. What I like to know is why these people in NORAD and the FAA are not look at more closely. One of the 911 commissioners said the story we were told from the military was so different, and so far from what the rest of the government was saying that we were going to the justice department for criminal charges and a criminal investigation. One has to wonder did NORAD and the FAA just sit there and did nothing because maybe they were order to do so. Or did NORAD do the false flag operation with the help of FAA.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by impressme]

I have done my best to stay on topic, and have yet to unleash a rant upon the thread. I have done my best to remain civil, but frankly I'm tired of beating my head against a brick wall. I made a claim and I backed it up. I provided what was demanded. Trying to say you asked for something different doesn't make it true.

So like I said, you all have fun. I'm out of this one. You all have made up your minds and cannot see the forest for the trees. I can tell you one thing for certain, whenever this whole mess if finally sorted out it won't be done by someone so closed minded that they ignore everything someone else says.

Ok, let's look at the OP...

If our global intelligence and national security is so great, how in the world did this little group of Arab terrorists know, in advance, that our military would be engaged in war games in the skies above NYC, and in these war games, one of the operations was to simulate planes crashing into skyscrapers?

to answer your question, they , AQ, did not care. Prior to PNAC and the Bush Administration a man presented an idea to another man who was still upset at the west and Saudi Arabia over the Kuwait invasion and why his men were not used instead of the US. There are bio attack, chem attack and nuke attack war games on an ongoing basis and have been for years. Does this mean that the next terror attack could come during one of these. Project Bojinka was the first inclination of hijack that was different than the norm of landing and making demands. The 9/11 commission showed that the intel community was not prepared for a 9/11 type attack. This goes back to before to the USS Cole bombing.



The fact is, it would have taken either the terrorists infiltrating our military, our security and intel agencies, the FAA, NORAD, the office of the vice president and numerous other agencies, to pull off 911 or all the above named agencies had to have supplied Al-Qaeda with all this information. So, if you have to believe Al-Qaeda was responsible for 911, I’ll let you choose which of the above you want to go with.


The is not fact but opinion if not fallacy. You are stating it in black and white which is incorrect. Terrorists would not need to infiltrate our military because they could care less. they have their own agenda. Al-qeada was responsible for 9/11 as well as at least a dozen other attacks that occurred or were prevented.

they have time, and they can wait. Wait until we again, as a country, our complacent and blame our own government for the hate spread by them, the terrorists....

Jenna, do not walk away. Do not let anyone infringe upon your beliefs

[edit on 19-6-2009 by esdad71]

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by Jenna

Since you're still ignoring what I'm saying I'll put it in real simple terms.

The attacks had been planned since the Clinton administration.
Bush came into office immediately after Clinton.
The attacks happened in September 2001.
For the Clinton administration to have known that attacks were being planned, they had to have been planned in at least 2000.
Thus the attacks were not something done on a whim and were not just thrown together last minute.

You have it right Jenna. The NeoCONs and the PNAC and their masters in the NWO had been planning their needed New Pearl Harbor Event from long before 2000. Since Clinton served them too; why wouldn't he know something about it? It was years in the planning stage and it is likely the next 9-11 event will also be years in the planning stage.

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Could that be why Clinton also did not go on record to the 9/11 commission? Hmmm..because he could have pulled the trigger but did not. However, that would not have stopped 9/11. Time....they had time on their side.

reply to post by Jenna

I made a claim and I backed it up. I provided what was demanded. Trying to say you asked for something different doesn't make it true.

What you posted had nothing to do with the tread topic. You only posted information about what you brought up. You may as well have been talking about coffee beans. You were off topic, period.

I have done my best to remain civil,

Civil?

I'm tired of beating my head against a brick wall.

Try stainless steel.

I made a claim

And fail to back it up.

I provided what was demanded.

Wrong

So like I said, you all have fun.

We always do.

I'm out of this one.

Nothing wrong in being defeated.

You all have made up your minds and cannot see the forest for the trees.

Try taking your blinders off.

I can tell you one thing for certain, whenever this whole mess if finally sorted out it won't be done by someone so closed minded that they ignore everything someone else says.

Those who cling to the OS beliefs are still a sleep and maybe it is best they stay asleep because some people can’t handle the truth.
So far, no one has punch a hole in my theory all we got was six pages of rants and opinions from the OS supporters. If you thought, you were going to make me an OS believer you should have tried selling me tickets to the moon in a flying saucer.

Thank you for participating.



[edit on 20-6-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by esdad71

to answer your question, they , AQ, did not care. Prior to PNAC and the Bush Administration a man presented an idea to another man who was still upset at the west and Saudi Arabia over the Kuwait invasion and why his men were not used instead of the US. There are bio attack, chem attack and nuke attack war games on an ongoing basis and have been for years. Does this mean that the next terror attack could come during one of these. Project Bojinka was the first inclination of hijack that was different than the norm of landing and making demands. The 9/11 commission showed that the intel community was not prepared for a 9/11 type attack. This goes back to before to the USS Cole bombing.

OFF TOPIC! What dose your rants have to do with my topic?
What dose it have to do with NORAD?
What does it have to do with FAA?
Were are your sources to back up your ridiculous rants and opinions. No wonder no one takes you serious, you do not post sources.

Originally posted by esdad71

to answer your question, they , AQ, did not care. Prior to PNAC and the Bush Administration a man presented an idea to another man who was still upset at the west and Saudi Arabia over the Kuwait invasion and why his men were not used instead of the US. There are bio attack, chem attack and nuke attack war games on an ongoing basis and have been for years. Does this mean that the next terror attack could come during one of these. Project Bojinka was the first inclination of hijack that was different than the norm of landing and making demands. The 9/11 commission showed that the intel community was not prepared for a 9/11 type attack.

Terrorists would not need to infiltrate our military because they could care less.

they have time, and they can wait. Wait until we again, as a country, our complacent and blame our own government for the hate spread by them, the terrorists....

Jenna, do not walk away. Do not let anyone infringe upon your beliefs

Ya run.

Talk about fantasy worlds! I cant believe how much off topic, idiotic nonsense has been introduced into this thread.

Wow! Terrorists wouldn't need to infiltrate our military because they could care less? Care less about what?

If they didn't neded to infiltrate our military, how would they know where the Pentagon was? If they had intentions of doing 911, they would have needed to pull everythng together in an organized fashion. Without every detail known to them, how would they attack us? Come running at the WTC towers with swords drawn?

Had Al-Qeada really tried to pull this off, NORAD / military planes would have been scrambled & intercepted all stray airliners in a matter of minutes! Do you think they are really like an hour away from NYC? Their (Al Qeada's) day would have ended just a little shy of the WTC towers.

Are you so unaware of our intel capabilities? Why do you think all the satellites are orbiting the earth? It's not all about TV and weather! People talk about Al-Qeada gathering intel over years, thats lunacy! Intel is often only good for minutes at a time. This is 2009 not 1909 folks!

Impressme has it right, it wasn't Al Qeada. Truth is, Bin Laden's boys were probably tempted to fly their magic carpets to America just to laugh at those who believed 911 was done by them.



[edit on 6/20/2009 by Sanity]