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Originally posted by Mindmelding
Honestly Neformore, if you say you live in england and are an aviation nut and have never seen a chemtrail despite looking regularly at the sky... I just can't believe you. Sorry, I just can't. If I'm wrong I'm wrong I guess. I know it's not pleasant to hear someone dosen't believe you, but hey, at least I'm honest...
Originally posted by C-JEAN
reply to post by weedwhacker
Here we go again. . .
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority
and present your argument with enough "jargon" and. . .
Number 8!!! The infamous Number 8!!
Invoke authority....love that one, do ya???
How do you think we learn? From our parents, for instance? THEY have, and invoke 'authority'. Teachers, in shcool and University. THEY certainly 'invoke authority'!!
ANYONE who knows a subject better than you, will be seen to be 'evoking authority'!!!
Oh, not to let 'Number 8 get away!! Jargon??? WHAT, precisely, is 'J
jargon??? IS it, maybe...techinical terms that laypersons don't understand?? Such as used by, say your doctors, when speaking to one anopther?? Or pilots....nurses, teacher, construction workers.....chemists??? Professionals who, in conferring with their colleagues, use 'jargon'??? Is it so wrong to attempt to educagte the lapeople???? Would the layperson prefer to be spoken to as a seven year old???
I think that is insulting to a logical, thinking Human adult.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered,
avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense,
provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion.
Mix well for maximum effect.
Tactic best used by the original proponents of nonsense and bollocks theories, in the firt place!!!
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning
backwards with an apparent deductive logic. . .
See above....used by the OPs of nonsense and rubbish....and their 'friends'
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here,
find a way to side-track the discussion with. . .
See above...
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s),
leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground. . .
Oh, dear, oh dear...proponents of outlandish 'conspiracies' are really adept at this tactic...."Forge New Ground"...."Change the Subject"....that is about the same as "Manufacture a New Truth"....another component of this series of idiotic rants.....
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract
from sensitive issues, or. . .
Again....tactic tried and true, by the 'proponents'...NOT by logical, intelligent and eduacated individuals who simply wish that bollocks ideas aren't promulgated!!!
Blue skies.
Ah,the clever, so nice 'sign-off'.
So disarming, in it's simplicity.
Of xcourse, you've never answered my direct question: Your username is very, very similar to how airplanes, in Canada, are registered. I asked if you fly, or own an airplane. No answer.
You mentioned, if memory serves, you have a son who is a pilot...and believes in "chemtrails' as well....that disturbs me. If true.
A delusion is a terrible thing.....and attempting to promote it, based on fear, paranoia and horribly bad innuendo, form suspect websites with hidden agendas....even worse.
Originally posted by Mindmelding
Simple. You watch a few aircraft laying down persistant trails, where others don't leave trails.
You jot down the time. You wait and see if those trails spread out into cloud cover. Then you try and confirm the flight numbers... and you'll see they're not normal airtraffic. You'll have a lot of false positives, britain has a lot of air traffic, but sooner or later you'll stumble on the chemtrailers.
Another way is to go to those no fly zones in England, as there are a few fairly big ones as that video shows, so you reduce the noise, and you try spotting there to see what turns up. Or you go to the seaside and out into the ocean. Sooner or later you'll stumble on suspicious air traffic and the sort of grey brown cloud cover coming from chemtrails that I describe. Then you can hunt it down for yourself. Educate yourself.
From a strictly visual pov it's hard to distinguise, so you have to be aware of context. This is a bit like confirmation bias, you have to believe in the possibility so you put the effort in to look for them. If you're dismissive, as per usual, you'll not see them simply because you don't spend enough time.
This is where you are now, the early pre sighting skepticism. Since you a priori don't accept the possibility your brain and ego are dismissing the sightings you probably already have had, if only out of the corner of your eye.
Pay more atention and, again, educate yourself.
And then you might want to do the atmospheric testing, if by that point you're not already crapping your pants by being on a MI5 terrorist watch list or something along these lines.
. . .you've never answered my direct question:. . .
You mentioned, if memory serves, you have a son who is a pilot. . .
Again, you can't be well versed on the topic because you're wrong.
Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by Spirit Warrior
That is one detail which bothers me too, the lack of whistleblowing pilots. I have two theories...
1) They are military pilots. These won't talk about classified operations for fear of getting thrown in the brig.
2) They are civilian but scared senseless by some classified environmental data along the lines of "if we don't do anything all life on earth will spontaneously combust", just slightly less silly so they buy it. Of course this would be a lie, it takes a special sort of person, a conspiracy theorist, to realise that most of our society is run on lies. Most people can't stomach this and live in denial all their lives, A type personalities like pilots being no exception.
But I honestly don't know what's going on other than I see chemtrails...
Edit: another theory which is so obvious I didn't think about it, that is that maybe the chemtrail airliners are retrofitted fuselages retired from the airliner industry and fully automated, as has been done for target drones and UAVs. Perhaps there is only a handfull of pilots, controlling these things in computer centers and they take off and land either by remote control or on full autopilot. This way a relatively small number of people would actually be controlling the planes, knowing where they go and what they do. This would make sense, and would reduce the number of potential whistleblowers.
[edit on 3-6-2009 by Mindmelding]
Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by Spirit Warrior
You would be surprised to know the technology coming from Aerospace technology!
Just think about the blackbird we never knew of it until it was retired. Guys wont spill the beans.
[edit on 3-6-2009 by wonderworld]
Originally posted by C-JEAN
reply to post by blc4r4
Hi, blc4r4.
I have EVEN seen a Boeing 707, or a DC-8 radio-controled,
for a simulated crash, with wings torn apart with steel posts. . .
We often see that scene, on TV. . .
Blue skies.