Pseudo-Science of Anti-Ufology, page 1
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Topic started on 30-5-2009 @ 12:16 PM by NephraTari
A new Article by Stanton Friedman discusses the problem we face in UFOlogy with
Debunkers calling themselves scientists barking out false and unproven facts and people taking their word as gospel without researching for themselves.


SUMMARY

For more than 60 years the primary approach by the media and scientific communities to the subject of UFOs and Flying Saucers has been based on pseudo-science. Proclamations and attacks, often given the appearance of being scientific, have been launched at every aspect of the phenomena. Despite an enormous array of real evidence and data, we have been treated to false claims, false reasoning, bias and ignorance. The basic rules of pseudo-science have been followed, including especially that there are no good reasons to present solid scientific information, that absence of evidence in the hands of the writers and proclaimers is proof of absence of such evidence, that everything claimed by a debunker must be true, that everything claimed by a believer is false, that one must denigrate “believers” and “buffs”, but accept all attacks as legitimate.

NEED TO LOOK AT EVIDENCE

Most graduate students are taught to begin a new research project with a literature search. See what has already been published before doing ones own work. No sense reinventing the wheel and certainly don’t make claims that can be destroyed by those more familiar with relevant past publications. Yet one of the most common and distressing aspects of the pseudo-scientific anti-Ufological literature is the failure of the pseudo-scientists to do their homework before putting their mouths or computers in gear. I am referring to evidence about large scale studies of sightings, landings, abductions, multiple witness radar visual cases, saucer crashes, government cover-ups, etc. As somebody very much concerned with advanced nuclear and space technology, I have been appalled by the silly pseudo-scientific statements that have been made about space travel, high acceleration travel and interstellar travel. As the original civilian investigator of the Roswell Incident, and a long-term investigator of the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, I am equally appalled at the unscientific arguments made against these two bell-weather cases. The common features of these attacks include:

A. A failure to look at the literature that is available about all of these.

B. An unwillingness to recognize that the “specific details of how something is to be done” are very much more important than broad general notions about the laws of physics.

C. An enormous arrogance in thinking that if certain things were true or certain technologies were real, these all-wise pseudo-scientists would know about them. They don’t, so the notions must not be true. None of this is to say that there hasn’t been a lot of pro-UFO garbage published as well. But Ufologists tend to be critical of their own kind. The pseudo-scientific anti-Ufologists never seem to want to critique another debunker no matter how false the claims. They repeat the claims rather than pointing out the fallacies.


Here is a link to the
Full Article.

The problem is they are going to continue to make these unfounded statements until we step up and call them on it each and every time it happens, and if we don't, how many people are going to get the wrong idea out of sheer blind trust in someone with a title?


reply posted on 30-5-2009 @ 01:52 PM by NephraTari
reply to post by Shamrock87



We have to suck it up and be brave and start talking about the facts of this subject more often. We are all guilty of being quiet about our studies occassionally. It is time we stop being quiet and stop worrying about facing ridicule and start making people more aware and sharing the facts with them.


reply posted on 30-5-2009 @ 04:48 PM by NephraTari
reply to post by Solomons



I am not familiar with the man. I pay more attention to the evidence than the people arguing it most of the time. That is what is most important to me personally. I will NOT S H U N someone offhand without cause just because people say I should do so. Should I happen across more of his work and find it counter productive to UFOlogy I will at that point log him into my mental rolladex in the same category as Profit Yahweh and Jaime Maussan.

Until then.. I have no opinion of the man, other than he made a good point in this article.




[edit on 30-5-2009 by NephraTari]


reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 05:45 AM by karl 12
reply to post by NephraTari



NephraTari -interesting post, I certainly think some UFO debunkers have a 'psychological need' to debunk cases - irrespective of any facts that might get in the way.
I've also noticed that many are loathe to address certain incidents -instead preferring to just concentrate on the vague 'easy to explain away ' ones.

I suspect the mindset of the UFO cynic is far more dogmatic then pragamtic - perhaps they've got more in common with 'people who beleive everything is a UFO' than they like to think.
Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]


reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 09:06 AM by karl 12
reply to post by DoomsdayRex



DoomsdayRex - fuzzy logic and giddy assumptions notwithstanding I'm sure Jim Oberg is mature and secure enough to speak for himself.
For what its worth I'm not that particularly impressed by any of your opinions either but it would be nice if you actualy addressed some of the points raised (nowhere did I state UFOs were piloted by aliens - I suspect thats just you being melodramatic and attempting to muddy the water).

Heres the definition of a UFO/OVNI for future reference:

"The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."
The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry by J. Allen Hynek, Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1972, p. 10.


As for the state of Ufology -I think ,if anything, the state of 'UFO debunkery' is in crisis as there are more and more genuine unknowns being reported each year:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I also find it revealing that armchair cynics abjectly refuse to address the USO subject:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you've not seen it before,theres an interesting link here about the failure of science to investigate the UFO subject:

Science and the Failure To Investigate Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (pdf):
www.freedomofinfo.org...


Theres also some interesting commments made here about government reports and genuine unknowns:
fr.answers.yahoo.com...

As for Dr Condon - it could very well be the case that the man had his 'recommendations and conclusions' well prepared before he even got started.
Many people (including my good self) beleive his report to be nothing more than a complete and utter whitewash.


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]


reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 11:42 AM by NephraTari
reply to post by titorite



I think the reason for this is one of two things.

1. They know its real and are on a mission to make sure people not become aware of the reality of the nature of most UFO's.

OR

2. They are not interested in the truth because deep down they already believe but do not want to admit it, even to themselves because they are afraid if they admit that it is possible.. they have to consider what that might mean and perhaps their own ideas scare them.

Personally for the most part I do not feel we have much to fear from those currently visiting. This has been going on from time immemorial. There are cave paintings and petroglyphs and passed down stories of how they have visited us and helped us all throughout our history. Saving some when global catastrophe's have occured in earth's past. How do you think we survived the Ice Age and other such catastrophic changes?
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