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Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by mckyle
As for the Armistice, it's still intact. N.Korea are just just posturing at moment.
[edit on 28-5-2009 by mckyle]
I'm afraid it's not.
N.Korea declared yesterday that compliance with this agreement is no longer their desire.
They have stated that if SK and the U.S. attempts to interfere in any of their shipping they will attack SK.
The only way a country can "un-sign" a document or agreement is through statement of intention to divorce themselves from it. They have stated it, it is fact.
This is potentially the most dangerous aspect of this entire scenario now. If the U.S. and SK do not stop and search any vessel, their agreement seems pointless and without any credibility. If they do, NK will have to attack SK, or look foolish and back down on their threat.
Personally, I don't think this will happen.
I am certain that there will be an incident at the border and that it will quickly spiral out of control, and NK will step over the divide into the South.
They've spent fifty years pulling faces at each other across that border, and now the South is bolstering their defences there if voices from the villages along that border are to be believed.
I don't think we (outside nations) should be complacent here. We are expecting NK to be posturing for attention and aid, for the world to make concessions, but NK has spent fifty years building their military, and these new events are happening at such a pace as to indicate that this isn't merely same-old-story attention seeking.
If they wanted to get attention, they did that with the nuclear test. That is the ultimate attention grabber, nothing else is needed.
Why step further and test rockets, start up the nuclear facility to develop more plutonium, break the armistice...?
Right now they're testing the waters, they know that the world is thinking they're just seeking a deal, and they're using the delay to put the final touches in place.
But, ultimately, regardless of whether this is posturing or not, something HAS to be done to contain the threat.
If countries are nervous of Iran, and while they are nowhere near this level of capability, it stands to reason that NK should be halted in their tracks a decade ago!
Bluffing or not, something has to be done now to prevent greater bloodshed later.
Originally posted by ROBL240
The US would most likely drop a TSAR bomb over N.Korea to show they mean buisness, then promptly tell them "the next one wont be so clean."
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Developed by the Soviet Union, the bomb was originally designed to have a yield of about 100 megatons of TNT; however, the bomb was reduced by half in order to limit the amount of nuclear fallout that would result.
The Tsar Bomba was a three-stage hydrogen bomb with a yield of about 50 megatons.[3] This is equivalent to ten times the amount of all the explosives used in World War II combined, including Little Boy and Fat Man, the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[4]
A South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff officer, speaking on condition of anonymity citing department policy, said the South's military has also bolstered "personnel and equipment deployment" along its land and sea borders.
He said, however, that there has been no particular movement of North Korean troops along the heavily fortified border areas.
There are 28,500 U.S. troops in South Korea and another 50,000 in Japan. All are within striking range of North Korea's missiles.
Though the officer refused to give details, South Korea's mass-circulation JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported Thursday that Seoul has recently deployed more anti-air missiles and artillery at its military bases on islands near the disputed western sea border with North Korea.
A South Korean destroyer also has been deployed near the sea border to prepare for any provocations, the newspaper said.
Originally posted by xxpigxx
Hold on tight.
Make sure the handlebar is secure on your lap, and your seat-belts buckled.
this is going to be a wild roller coaster ride.
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Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
So you would openly advocate the use of Nuclear weapons? Isn't that why we invaded Iraq, are at odds with Iran, and are considering action against Korea? Because they *may* use nukes?
I will never understand the "we get em, you don't, we can use em, you can't" logic. Seems very arrogant to me.
Originally posted by Burginthorn
This is not surprising.
Remember North Korea and Iran are not members of the NWO. So it is expected that war between the NWO member countries and the 'rogue' nations will ultimately happen if no diplomatic/sanction forced methods fail.
You can see this taking place financially and politically throughout the world - right now before our eyes.
No one can 100% predict if THIS is the one to start it all off, or another event in the future. But it should come as no surprise to anyone when it does, as this scenario has been on the cards (and predicted) for a very long time.
In order for a One World Govt to truly take shape ALL nations must come to the party. Right now we have two major forces in the world thumbing their noses at the NWO.
More importantly they know the squeeze is on, and are desperate to hold onto their independence from the NWO, which they think nuclear capabilities will safeguard them against takeover.
So you can pretty much bank on the fact something is going to happen before either of these countries become a nuclear player.
Originally posted by OutShine
reply to post by bpg131313
Thanks for your thoughts, they made me think. Ultimately, I stand by what I said, but I do have a few respectfully posed questions for you:
First: Truman was close to the end of a long war with a hard fought enemy, his decision to use nuclear weapons had somewhere in its balance the weight of hundreds of thousands of American lives that would be spared by avoiding a conventional invasion of Japan, and he arguably did not fully comprehend the downstream consequences of unleashing nuclear weaponry into the world. Isn't Obama's decision to use nuclear weapons in a first strike against the DPRK vastly different from Truman's to use them against an old foe? Isn't the decision to use nuclear weapons, particularly in a first strike, radically different what it was in 1945?
Second: Do you really think Kim would destroy Seoul right off the bat? What leverage does he have after that?
Third: If we used cruise missiles to wipe out the million man army, as you suggest, why would we need to nuke Pyongyang?
Finally: We are probably quite capable of intercepting many, if not most, of the missiles that could come out of Pyongyang, and they have enough nuclear material for somewhere between 8-16 nuclear weapons. Why would we use nuclear weapons against a country so ill-suited to make good on its posturing?
I'm not trying to be offensively contentious, and I would like to hear what you think.
Originally posted by mckyle
As for N.Korea, Kim Jong il, is not as crazy as he likes the world to think. He wants recognition and aid, and this is his way of attempting to get it.
As for the Armistice, it's still intact. N.Korea are just just posturing at moment.