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The New Great Game

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Well everybody at this point do we need to discuss the issue with Iran or should we just refer to it as a grass roots movement or is the CIA and the UK in on this situation from the start or are they trying to take advantage of it. I cant decide which came first.




posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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The ancient country of Iran has a very dense culture as most Muslim countries do.

Persons from the West, as I myself am from, often believe that their exists only a couple of types of Islam when in reality their are hundreds and hundreds of Islamic views.

Some of the Moderate views held by many Persians are very politically powerful in Iran and the Brits have maintained these moderate viewpoints at times and even allowed some to attend Oxford which has proven to be a double edged sword toward Empire.

Iran is a diverse, ancient and educated country with many peoplegroups whom are being maintained via the west.

This is where the money is coming from to support the dissenters.

As I view it the struggle will not so much end the current power structure of Iran but it will weaken it allowing a network of opposition to root itself in Iran which in turns allows the world to exercise and monitor Iran form afar.

is not that SOP?

lol


[edit on 21-6-2009 by whiteraven]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Intruder military plane awaits permission to leave India




NEW DELHI, June 20 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian-made cargo aircraft that flouted the Indian airspace late on Friday is currently awaiting permission for take-off at Mumbai airport, an airport spokesman said on Saturday.

The Indian Air Force forced an An-124 plane, en route from the U.S. military base in Diego Garcia to Afghanistan's Kandahar, to land on suspicions that it was a military plane flying on a civilian flight code. It landed at Mumbai airport at 10:40 p.m. local time (17:10 GMT) on Friday, according to an airport source.

The aircraft owned by a private Russian airline, Volga-Dnepr, was carrying U.S. military goods, the Indian Air Force (IAF) said.

IAF spokesman T.K. Singha said the airline had applied for permission to fly over India to the country's Department of Civil Aviation, not to the Defense Ministry.



A Russian plane with US goods?

Or a Russian built plane with US goods?

Or a Russina pilot in an Russian plane with the American Flag?

Hmmmmm!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:23 AM
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I forgot to mention your earlier post was outstanding....

I'm rereading it now very well thought out I wish I could star it again...



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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Its late in the (or early) in the Northern Hemisphere and yet the great game continues.



Is this true?



May 15, 2009
By Michael Hudson
Financial Times

Challenging the American empire will be the focus of meetings in Yekaterinburg, Russia, today and tomorrow for Chinese President Hu Jintao, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and other leaders of the six-nation Shanghai Co-operation Organisation. The alliance comprises Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajiki-stan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, with observer status for Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia.

The attendees (who will be joined on Tuesday by Brazil for trade discussions) have assured American diplomats that dismantling the US financial and military hegemony is not their aim. They simply want to discuss mutual aid - but in a way that has no role for the US or for the dollar as a vehicle for trade among these countries.

The meeting is an opportunity for China, Russia and India to "build an increasingly multipolar world order", as Mr Medvedev put it in a St Petersburg speech this month. What he meant was this: we have reached our limit in subsidising the US military encirclement of Eurasia while also allowing the US to appropriate our exports, companies and real estate in exchange for paper money of questionable worth.

An "artificially maintained unipolar system", Mr Medvedev said, was based on "one big centre of consumption, financed by a growing deficit, and thus growing debts, one formerly strong reserve currency, and one dominant system of assessing assets and risks".

Keen observers of America, if not effective managers of their own economies, these countries argue that the root of the global financial crisis is that the US makes too little and spends too much. Especially upsetting is US military expenditure - such as military aid to Georgia or the presence in the oil-rich Middle East and central Asia - using money that foreign central banks recycle.
www.stevequayle.com...

The rules are being debated.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:59 AM
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Very good find.
Thanks reading it now.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:03 AM
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This is a very sobering part here.

Same source


The countries that are gathering today are convinced that this hegemony cannot continue without adequate revenues and are attempting to hasten the bankruptcy of the US financial-military world order. If China, Russia and their allies have their way, the US will no longer live off the savings of others, nor have the money for unlimited military spending.

US officials wanted to attend Yekaterinburg as observers. They were told no. It is a word that Americans will hear much more in the future.

The writer is professor of economics at the University of Missouri



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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Maybe we gotta ace up our sleeve.

Or maybe Washington's vision was correct.

Nevertheless long live the Republic.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:10 AM
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Well combined those countries have about 2/3 of the US net Value that's a lot of pull they can cause some damage.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:16 AM
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Russia, China are developing countries so they will take a worse beating financially than the US and the West. We really need to get our house in order ASAP. Wont happen though.


World Bank warns of deeper global contraction

TOKYO (MarketWatch) -- The World Bank predicted Monday that the global economy will shrink 2.9% this year, a deeper fall than the 1.7% contraction it predicted in March.

It also warned that international capital to developing nations will continue to slow, with flows projected to fall to $363 billion in 2009 from their peak of $1.2 trillion in 2007.

Developing countries will grow by 1.2% in 2009, the bank said, down from 5.9% in 2008 and 8.1% in 2007.

Excluding China and India, gross domestic product in developing countries is expected to contract 1.6%.

The world has entered an era of slower growth that will require tighter and more effective oversight of the financial system, the bank said in a statement.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:23 AM
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State Spending Masks Weakness in Indian Economy

But don't pop the corks just yet, economists warn. Instead, a deeper look into the Indian figures reveals a worrying trend, they say. Since October, India's economic growth has been mostly buoyed by government spending, not by actual private-sector growth. In the last quarter of 2008, for instance, increased government expenditure made up almost all of India's growth, according to estimates by Singapore-based HSBC (HBC) economist Robert Prior-Wandesforde and by BusinessWeek. Without the government spending, the growth figure would have been a paltry (and stock-market melting) 0.1%.


China may need more deficit spending-gvt researcher

BEIJING, March 5 (Reuters) - China may have to increase its budget deficit beyond the figure of 950 billion yuan announced in Thursday's budget if growth does not pick up by mid-year, a Ministry of Finance researcher said.

"China may have to widen the fiscal deficit further if the economic situation continues to be weak in the second quarter," the researcher, Jia Kang, told reporters on the sidelines of the annual session of the National People's Congress, the largely ceremonial parliament.



A Deficit of Integrity

The draft budget for the coming year has finally been sent to the State Duma for approval. The original document, based on the price of oil at $95 per barrel, had to be rewritten when oil prices collapsed. Based on the current price of $41 a barrel, the new budget manfully faces up to the fact that Russia must run its first budget deficit in a decade. But the government is still trying to put on a misleadingly brave face.

After a struggle in the government between the Keynesian deficit spenders and the fiscal conservatives who advocated minimizing debt, the budget unveiled for discussion on March 20 and sent to the Duma for approval yesterday shows that the spenders have won. Despite a predicted fall in revenues of over a quarter, the government has actually increased its planned spending. And it seems happy to run a deficit in order to fund it.

The draft budget that has been sent to the State Duma anticipates revenues of 6.7 trillion rubles, and expenditures of 9.6 trillion. The 2.9 trillion ruble gap is produced partly by a fall in revenues (down 27 percent) and a simultaneous increase in spending (up 28 percent). Russia plans to take 2.7 trillion rubles (some $80 billion) of the deficit spending from its stabilization fund, which stood at $136.3 billion in February.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:29 AM
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Interesting to say the least.

Leader of Russian Region Attacked

MOSCOW — The leader of an unstable republic near Chechnya, who had been installed by the Kremlin in an effort to tamp down tensions there, was seriously wounded in an assassination attempt Monday morning, officials said.

The leader, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, president of Ingushetia, was being driven to work in a motorcade when it was hit by an enormous bomb. One or more of his bodyguards may have been killed, local news agencies said.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:33 AM
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I think Iran maybe pushing back after the riots.

Iraq: Bombs hit Baghdad, at least 5 killed

BAGHDAD (AP) — A roadside bomb exploded next to a bus carrying Iraqi high school students to their final exams on Monday, police said, the deadliest in a series of blasts that killed five people in Baghdad.

The attacks came two days after the country's deadliest attack this year — a truck bombing that killed at least 75 people in northern Iraq.

Violence has been escalating ahead of a June 30 deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from major cities and urban areas in Iraq. Officials have warned they expect militants to step up attacks around that deadline.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Well everybody at this point do we need to discuss the issue with Iran or should we just refer to it as a grass roots movement or is the CIA and the UK in on this situation from the start or are they trying to take advantage of it. I cant decide which came first.


I have been giving this situation in Iran a bit more thought now that the Powers that Be are playing out their hand there.

I am pretty sure it all stems back to the Sassanid Empire and Rome's inability to conquer Sassanid Persia and take Babylon which was under Sassanid control.

Most of Christianity in it's Roman manufactured form appeared right afterwards and was largley based on Sassanid Gnosticism.

I have a sneaking suspicion to understand how key Iran is in the New Great Game you have to look all the way back to the 3rd century to understand it's true relevance and importance to the Powers that Be as a stumbling block that's been confounding them all these centuries.

The Great Game is definately afoot in Iran at the moment and it's a domino designed to set a lot of other ones in motion. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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Most of Christianity in it's Roman manufactured form appeared right afterwards and was largley based on Sassanid Gnosticism.

Prophet Mani
Manichaeism
Manichaeism

Manichaeism was one of the major Iranian Gnosticism religions, originating in Sassanid Persia. Although most of the original writings of the founding prophet Mani have been lost, numerous translations and fragmentary texts have survived....
The prophet Mani was an Iranian of noble Parthia
Parthia

Parthia is a region of north-eastern Iran, best known for having been the political and cultural base of the Arsacid dynasty, after which the Arsacid Empire is then also known as the 'Parthian Empire'....
n roots who established Manichaeism
Manichaeism

Manichaeism was one of the major Iranian Gnosticism religions, originating in Sassanid Persia. Although most of the original writings of the founding prophet Mani have been lost, numerous translations and fragmentary texts have survived....
which contained many elements of Zoroastrianism
Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is the religion and philosophy based on the teachings ascribed to the prophet Zoroaster, after whom the religion is named. The term Zoroastrianism is in general usage, essentially synonymous with Mazdaism, i.e., the worship of Ahura Mazda, exalted by Zoroaster as the supreme divine authority....
as well as Gnosticism
Gnosticism

Gnosticism refers to diverse, syncretistic religious movements in antiquity consisting of various belief systems generally united in the teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a Nature created by an imperfect god, the demiurge; this being is frequently identified with the Abrahamic God, and is contrasted with a superior entity, ref...
, however it saw the experience of life on earth by humans as miserable, which was a contrast to the Zoroastrian view which was to celeberate life through happiness.

Mani was received kindly by king Shapur I
Shapur I

Shapur I was the second Sassanid King of the Sassanid Empire. The dates of his reign are commonly given as 241 - 272, but it is likely that he also reigned as co-regent prior to his father's death in 241....
and spent many years at his court where he was protected during all of Shabuhr's reign. However Mani wrote in a semitic language and all his work had to be translated in to Middle Persian
Middle Persian

Middle Persian is the Iranian languages language/ethnolect of Southwestern Iran that during Sassanid times became a prestige dialect and so came to be spoken in other regions as well....
by his followers, who rendered the name of Mani's supreme god as Zurvan and called him the father of Ohrmazd (Ahuramazda, God of Wisdom, main deity of Zoroastrianism
Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is the religion and philosophy based on the teachings ascribed to the prophet Zoroaster, after whom the religion is named. The term Zoroastrianism is in general usage, essentially synonymous with Mazdaism, i.e., the worship of Ahura Mazda, exalted by Zoroaster as the supreme divine authority....
).





Very interesting. I will need to dig deeper into that.

Very very interesting...thanks.

www.absoluteastronomy.com...


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posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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Wow whiteraven...let me just say that again...wow whiteraven, what an incredibly informative post.

Thanks for sharing all that information...as W. C. Fields used to love to say...you mean I was right?

The Sassanid link is truly an important one, as is Rome and Israel in all their varied forms in understanding what drives the main players in the Great Game in my humble oppinon.

The blue bloods have interests that stem back millenia with an uninterupted source of 'family' history to shape their perspectives and agendas that bastards of poor breeding like me simply can only guess at, but are very real to them and their equations.

Park your car sir? get that door for you?

It sucks being poor!





[edit on 23/6/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Interesting to say the least.

Leader of Russian Region Attacked

MOSCOW — The leader of an unstable republic near Chechnya, who had been installed by the Kremlin in an effort to tamp down tensions there, was seriously wounded in an assassination attempt Monday morning, officials said.

The leader, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, president of Ingushetia, was being driven to work in a motorcade when it was hit by an enormous bomb. One or more of his bodyguards may have been killed, local news agencies said.


These are the boys in the school yard you should bookmark to keep an eye on.



The absence of U.N. and OSCE monitors from Georgia's breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia could aggravate tensions and lead to new "full-blown hostilities," a Brussels-based thinktank said on Monday.

The International Crisis Group said Russia's consolidation of its military presence in both regions, and its refusal to endorse the continuation of U.N. and OSCE monitoring in their current form posed a threat to security.

Russia and Georgia fought a five-day war last August, when Russia crushed a Georgian assault on the breakaway pro-Russian region of South Ossetia, which like Abkhazia threw off Tbilisi's rule in the early 1990s.

"... violent incidents and the lack of an effective security regime in and around the conflict zones of South Ossetia and Abkhazia create a dangerous atmosphere in which extensive fighting could erupt again," the ICG said in a policy briefing.

"Russia has not complied with the main points of the truce, and the sides have not engaged in meaningful negotiations to stabilize the situation."

Russia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states after the war, and stationed thousands of troops in both regions despite an EU-brokered ceasefire agreement that called on Russian forces to pull back to their pre-war positions.

DISPLACED

Russia last week vetoed a Western-drafted U.N. Security Council resolution to extend the mandate of some 130 U.N. monitors in Abkhazia, saying the text reaffirmed Georgia's territorial integrity and was therefore unacceptable.

www.reuters.com...

ICG have an uncanny way of pre announcing future conflicts withing a 48-56 month time scale of actual events.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 05:53 AM
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First Link Restricted access, it is now re-directing to this :
www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/ShowFull

Second Link
www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/ShowFull

Third Link
www.shephard.co.uk...

Forth Link
en.rian.ru...

You would think that such an error was intentional or there for another purpose as most are accustomed to.

NOTE: First and Second link have this information mentioned en.rian.ru...

[edit on 23-6-2009 by tristar]



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if we see Israel reconsidering their latest actions about selling US or US inspired weapon systems to foreign political adversaries of Washington. Now that they realize that Washington is no longer the ever supporting TIT.



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