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The New Great Game

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posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 01:59 PM
Brief History of the Great Game

The Great Game is a term which has its roots based in early British Central Asian Intelligence. The term can be found in Rudyard Kipling’s “Kim” who referenced Arthur Conolly of the British East Indian Company as well as the Sixth Bengal Light Cavalry whom coined the term in light of Russian influence in central Asia.

It is most interesting to note that the pivoting point of the Great Game has always been Afghanistan as this sheds some light upon NATO’s interest in the seemingly backwards country which has defeated the British Empire as well as the Russian Bear.

The intense interest given to the area via Great Britain and Russia culminated in the first Anglo-Afghan War with the Brits growing wary of Russian influence upon the Crown Jewel of the Empire, India. (This is now Pakistan and India)

The First Anglo-Afghan war, 1839 to 1842, was a major set back for the Empire with a devastating retreat and loss.

As a result of the losses in Kabul, Jalalabad, Bolin Pass and Kandahar the country side again returned to Afghan rule allowing Russia to advance its interest in the region over the next thirty years.

The Second Afghan war from 1878 to 1880. The British, with the good intentions of Empire in mind, launched an expedition to Afghanistan as the Russians had just invited themselves to Kabul against the wishes of Sher Ali.

Sher Ali rebuffed the British, something he was unable to do to the Russians in Kabul, resulting in the British invading Afghanistan with about 40, 000 troops wresting control from Russian interests.

With fear of complete British control of this wild frontier the son of Sher Ali,
Mohammad Yaqub Khan, negotiated Treaty of Gandamak.

This ended this phase of the Great Game although it set up the next phase.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 02:13 PM
As a side note in the interest of the ATS context of the Great Game the man who coined the very term is interesting to say the least.

Arthur Conolly had participated in several British Expeditions to Central Asia at about the time of the First Afghan British war from 1839 to 1842.

Conolly often traveled in disguise and used the alias “Khan Ali”. He was executed as a spy by the Emir of Bukhara, Nasrullah Khan in June 1842 on charges of spying for the British Empire.

In 1845, Rev. Joseph Wolff, who had undertaken an expedition to discover the two officers' fate and barely escaped with his life, published an extensive account of his travels in Central Asia, which made Conolly and Stoddart household names in Britain for years to come.

Conolly's portrait by James Atkinson is in the British National Portrait Gallery. His 1840-1842 diaries as well as his letters and reports to Sir J. C. Hobhouse and William Cabell are in the British Library; his 1839 letters to Viscount Ponsonby are in the Durham University library.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 02:49 PM
As another point of context toward the history of the Great Game one must look at the relationship between Russia and Persia now known as Iran and Iraq. During the early stages of what Conolly would term as the Great Game the British began to train the Persian Army in order to counter Russian influence gained with the Treaty of Gulistan and the Treaty of Turkmenchay. Both agreements gave Russia expanded power in Central Asia alarming the British leading up to the first two Anglo-Afghan wars.

Persia had a deep hatred for all things Russian during this period as one can see when reading about the Russian Embassy being over run and all where executed including the Russian Ambassador Alexander Griboyedov who was a celebrated Russian writer.

Griboyedov Alexander Sergeyevich (1795-1829) was a Russian diplomat, playwright and composer. He was born in Moscow 4(15) January 1795. Like his contemporary Alexander Pushkin, he belonged to the well off upper class and mixed in high circles of society. He is recognized as a homo unius libri, a write of one book, whose fame rests on the brilliant verse comedy Woe from Wit, still one of the most staged plays n Russia.

For the assistance in signing Treaty of Turkmenchay in 1828 he was appointed as a Minister Plenipotentiary and sent to Persia. On the way to Persia he came to Georgia and married a 16-year-old daughter of his friend Prince Nino Chavchavadze. Due to a conflict in Persia, Griboyedov was furiously killed at the Russian embassy by Persian mob.

As we now see the Brits used the Persian hatred of all things Russian at the time to penetrate and control the southern extent of Russian influence in Iran.

Also one must look toward Tibet in light of the two treaties as the Russians had explored and gained influence in Tibet during the early period of the Great Game as well as former parts of geography once dominated by ancient Persia.

The British then began to develop ties with Tibet as well as China which was then under the period known as the Qing

Also one must note that the very idea of the Great Game only existed in the Western mindset up until the Russians began to educate themselves in the British viewpoints of the world.

The history of the Great Game is dense indeed. I will post a continuation of a "Brief Overview" of the History of the Great Game later today as well.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 03:24 PM

At the end of the First Phase of the Great Game Russia and Britain agreed to a truce in view of the run-up of German Power just prior to the First World War.

Germany had begun to build a railway across the Ottoman Empire alarming both Brits and Bears. Russia agreed to allow the British to control Afghan politics and geography so long as the boundaries stood as agreed. Persia was divided into three parts and Tibet was left as a buffer state between India and China.

The Baghdad Railway was built between 1903 to 1940 by German Banking Interests and many historians lay blame on this Railway as a lead up to World War One.

World War One officially ended the Great Games first stage.

Stage two on the way.

From the onset, the CFOA was intended to go eastward but the building of a line from Istanbul to Mesopotamia raised several problems. First, the financial risk appeared to big for the German banks and the CFOA to undertake alone such a venture. For this reason, a new company with a broader investor base was needed. The Deutsche Bank sought support from the British and French investors in return for a large share of the equity (30% each) in this new company.

But quickly, the project became political as well because the Great Powers were wary of a line that could have a major strategic role. The British in particular feared that this line could provide an overland access to India and put their own monopoly interests into jeopardy. They feared also that the line would reinforce the German influence in Anatolia and Mesopotamia. The German government itself gave this kind of advertisement when the Kaiser visited the Sultan to sponsor the project. Under public opinion pressure, the British government had to veto the participation of British investors in this project.

The French had a different approach: instead of withdrawing, they accepted the offer to enter in capital of the Baghdad Railway in the hope to be able the get some control over this project. They feared that the Baghdad Railway might compete with their own companies SCP and DHP. The French were also the main lenders to the Ottomans and kept a close eye on the state finance. However in order so safeguard public opinion at home, the French Government did not allow trading of the Baghdad Railway shares at the Paris stock exchange, thus very much reducing the liquidity of the trading. If the British had the same approach, one can speculate that a Franco British alliance could have taken control of the project at any point.

In 1890, the intend of the Ottoman Government and the German engineers was to reach Mesopotamia with a "northern route" Ankara Kayseri Sivas Diyarbakır.

posted on Jun, 7 2009 @ 07:35 PM

Mackinder warned British strategists about preventing Eurasian unification:

“What if the Great Continent, the whole World-Island [Africa and Eurasia] or a large part of it [e.g., Russia, China, Iran, and India] were at some future time to become a single and united base of sea-power? Would not the other insular bases [e.g., Britain, the U.S., and Japan] be outbuilt [sic] as regards [to] ships and outmanned as regards [to] seamen?” [1]


In the north of Sweden, well above the Arctic Circle near Kirunavaara, one of the world's largest reserves of high-grade magnetite ore had been developed, with an extraordinary 68% average iron content, almost three times as rich per ton as the iron ores of Alsace-Lorraine. Kiruna and the nearby mines at Gaellivare, had supplied German steel mills in the Ruhr with the greatest portion of their iron ore, ever since Germany had been largely stripped of her ore resources in Alsace-Lorraine and Silesia, by the 1919 Versailles Treaty.

The dependence of the German steel industry on the Swedish iron ore was no small affair. By 1938, shortly before Hitler marched into Austria, German steel production had tripled in tonnage from 1913, on the eve of the First World War. Ruhr steel mills depended on imported iron ore for almost three-quarters of their steel-making needs, and Sweden provided more than 11 million tons of that in 1939 alone. After 1939, Sweden had to replace lost French iron ore as well. The economic inter-dependency between Swedish iron ore and German steel was strategic in every sense. Without sufficient steel, no tanks would roll; the Luftwaffe would be without planes; no guns, no artillery, in short, all materiel required to execute a major war would lack.

Because of Kiruna's extreme location, there had been only two routes built to get the Swedish ore to export markets. The one route, by rail to the eastern Swedish port of Luleaa, on the Gulf of Bothnia facing Finland, froze over in winter. The only other export route, the only route in fact for almost half the entire year, was across Norway, to the ice-free port of Narvik on the Atlantic, and from there by ship along Norway's coast to the north German ports.

At the beginning of the war in 1939, the two largest importers of the rich Swedish iron ore had been Britain, which took about 10%, and Germany, which took more than 70% of Sweden's ore export. British military intelligence was, therefore, well aware of the logistics of the iron ore deliveries to Germany, and of its vital importance to Germany for any future full-scale war. As well, they had been passed a copy from French intelligence of a confidential report from Fritz Thyssen to Hitler and Goering, in which the German steel industry leader noted that the determination of victory or defeat for Germany lay in the iron ore fields of northern Sweden.

The father of geopolitics layed down the law of demand and war.


Bush loved Churchill......

That was Churchill's intent.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 04:38 AM
reply to post by whiteraven

The father of geopolitics layed down the law of demand and war.

Without the idea of war, there would be no war.

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:23 AM
Fraud halts India, Israeli arms deals

New Delhi has suspended all arms trade with Tel Aviv after blacklisting Israel Military Industries (IMI) over corruption allegations.

The Indian government says the contracts were halted for alleged 'illicit trading and bribery'.

Arms deals with six other companies --from Poland, Singapore as well as India-- were also suspended.

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:47 AM
Pakistanis rise against Taliban after mosque blast

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistani tribesmen avenging a mosque attack surrounded two militant strongholds and destroyed the homes of some Taliban commanders, an official said Monday as the death toll in the fighting hit 13.

As many as 1,600 tribesmen have joined a citizens' militia in Upper Dir district — an indication of rising anti-Taliban sentiment in Pakistan as the military pursues its offensive against the militant group in the nearby Swat Valley.

The militias, known as lashkars, were focusing on two villages known as Taliban strongholds, said Khaista Rehman, a local police chief. Officials said Sunday the tribesmen had managed to clear three other villages.

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:53 PM
The Great Game is truly a Pandora's box.

We so often forget the heroes of the Great Game.

I would move to honour one now.

119th Canadian soldier killed in Afghanistan

KANDAHAR AIRFIELD, Afghanistan — A 20-year-old Canadian soldier was killed Monday morning on a foot patrol when an explosive device detonated in a hotbed of insurgency south-west of Kandahar City.

Pte. Alexandre Peloquin was evacuated by helicopter to the Multinational Medical Facility at Kandahar Airfield, where he succumbed to his injuries.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of our fallen comrade during this very difficult time," said Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance, commander of Canadian troops in Kandahar. "While our ultimate goal remains to leave Afghanistan to Afghans, in a country that is better governed, more peaceful, and more secure, let's not consider the tragic death of our soldiers as a failure of our mission as this is precisely what our enemy is counting on.

"Our collective efforts here are making a noticeable difference in helping Afghans reclaim their lives from oppression and deplorable living conditions."

Peloquin, a member of 3rd battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment Battle Group, was serving with the 2nd battalion of the Quebec-based regiment in the volatile Panjwaii District.

Canadian military funerals involve many rituals seen in other parts of the world. The Royal Canadian Horse Artillery use a 25-pounder gun and limber as a funeral vehicle, for example. Volleys are fired over the grave when the body is interred. Muffled drums are played during the procession to the graveside. Medals and insignia are carried into the funeral service on a velvet pillow, along with the deceased's headdress.

Under which flag do we bury our fallen?

Says Richard: "I am French Canadian, born and raised in Quebec, reserve and full-time service from Quebec, and, personally, if I was killed overseas on my mission I would be appalled if I was not given the Canadian flag and buried with the Canadian flag."

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:04 PM

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by whiteraven

The father of geopolitics layed down the law of demand and war.

Without the idea of war, there would be no war.

"When everyone is dead, the great game is finished." Rudyard Kipling "Kim" 1901

posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:44 PM

60 Taliban Killed in Afghanistan as US Deploys More Troops

Authorities in southern Afghanistan said local and foreign troops have killed as many as 60 Taliban militants in the past week, as part of a stepped up anti-insurgency operation. And about 7,000 additional U.S. troops have begun deploying across volatile southern Afghanistan.

Deployment of additional American troops in Afghan border areas has worried Pakistani officials. They have long maintained the militancy in Pakistan has gained strength from insurgents who have been fleeing the U.S-led offensive in Afghanistan and taking refuge in Pakistani border areas.

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 11:38 AM
Fresh news, people killed then thrown from helicopters.

"The police were shooting to kill, but that's not all, because they hid the dead," one man told the BBC.

"They took them to the ravine and threw them from the helicopter in plastic bags. There are also dead on the river banks. Up there beyond the hill, there are more, as if it were a common grave."

This is how it goes. They're creating terrorists out of people who resist the attempt to allow American and Canadian companies to start exploitation of Amazonian resources.

So now those who resist are called terrorists. Same as Talibans who were created by CIA. Next thing, Che Guevara will resurrect.

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 01:36 PM
I am trying to condense the history..Readers Digest Style.
The history of this region is dense, ancient and in many ways they have maintained many "pre-civilization" values if viewed from a Western standpoint.

Brief History of Great Game

This is a timeline taken from Tournament of Shadows...a great book!!

1812 Napoleon invades Russia
1812 Moorcroft and Hearsey explore Western Tibet
1819 Ranjit Sigh conquers Kashmire ends Afghan rule
1819-25 Moorcroft and Trebeck travel to Central Asia
1830 Royal Geographical Society Founded
1836 Lord Auckland becomes Govner-General of British India
1837 Burne's Mission to Kabul
1837 Persia besieges Herat
1837 Queen Victoria ascends throne
1839 Death of Ranjit Singh
1838-42 First Afghan War
1842 Emir of Bokhara imprisons Stoddart and Conolly
1845 Imperial Russian Geographical Society
1854-56 Russia loses Crimean War
1857-58 Indian Mutiny/Sepoy Revolt
1865 Russia takes Tashkent
1865-85 Tibet Surveyed by Indian Pundits
1868 Bokhara becomes Russian protectorate
1870-73 Przhevalsky's second expedition
1877 Vicoria proclaimed Empress at Dehli Durbar

1877-78 Russo-Turkish War; siege of Plevna mars Russian victory

1878 Congress of Berlin Trims Russian gains
1878 Theosophists Mme. Blavatsky and Col. Olcot arrive
1878-81 Second Afghan War
1879 Russia Annexes Khokand
1879-1880 Przhevalsky's third expidition turned back by Tibetans
1880 Gladstone, campaigning against imperial wars, defeats Disraeli
1880 Trans-Caspian Railrod begun
1881 Russia capture Geok-Tepe
1883-85 Przhevalsky's fourth expedition
1885 Glandstone liberals at the brink of war with Russia over Pandjeh
1887 Duleep Singh seeks Russian support for Sikh revolt
1888 Rockhill explores Eastern Tibet

The first American to attempt to trek to Lhasa was William Rockhill, a young diplomat in Beijing in 1889. Disguised as a Mongolian, speaking Tibetan and Chinese, he failed because his guides deserted him in a vast uninhabited plateau. Two years later in 1891 he tried again and was repelled only 177 km (110 miles) from Lhasa. However he gathered much information on his travels about Tibetan culture and religion.
1895 Hedin crosses Taklamakan Desert
1894 Nicholas II becomes Tsar
1894-95 China humbled in Sino-Japanese war
1895 Settlement of Russo-Afghan frontier
1896 Hedin enters Tibet but is turned back
1898 Curzon appointed Viceroy
1898-1902 Dorzhiev's missions to St. Petersburg
1899 Kozlov's first expedition to Mongolia and Tibet

Pyotr Kuzmich Kozlov (Russian: Пётр Кузьми́ч Козло́в; October 3, 1863 near Smolensk - September 26, 1935, Peterhof) was a Russian explorer who continued the studies of Nikolai Przhevalsky in Mongolia and Tibet.

Although prepared by his parents for military career, Kozlov chose to join Przhevalsky's expedition. After his mentor's death, Kozlov continued travelling in Asia with his successors, Pevtsov and Roborovsky. In 1895, he took general command of the expedition from ailing Roborovsky. From 1899 to 1901 he explored and later described in a book the upper reaches of Huang He, Yangtze, and Mekong rivers.

During the first decade of the 20th century, when the Great Game reached its peak, Kozlov rivalled Sven Hedin and Aurel Stein as the foremost researcher of Xinjiang

1900-1901 Stein's first expedition to Chinese Turkestan
1900 US proclams Open Door policy
1900 Boxer Rebellion shakes China
1904 Younghusband enters Lhasa
1904 Thirteenth Dalai Lama flees Mongolia
1904 Mackinder lecture to RGS on the "Geographical Pivot of History"

I regard Mackinder as a man with good insight.

The science of distribution. The science, that is, which traces the arrangement of things in general on the Earth's surface." Mackinder is also credited with introducing two new terms into the dictionary : "manpower" , "heartland".

1905 Curzon resigns Viceroyalty, Minto succeeds
1905 Defeat in Russi-Japanese War triggers revolt and reforms within Russia
1905 Liberals (and Morley) take office in Britain
1905 Kozlov meets Dalai Lama in Urga
1906-08 Hedin enters Western Tibet via Kashmir
1906-09 Stein on second expedition aquires

The manuscripts discovered in Mogao Caves (mostly in Cave No. 17), Dunhuang are of great historical, philological and literary interest. Works thought to be long lost turned up (e.g. the Hua Hu Jing). Ancient editions of the classics were found (e.g. editions of the Analects of Confucius). Unknown ancient Central Asia languages came to light (e.g. the Khotanese language). A copy of the Diamond Sutra of the Tang Dynasty, the earliest surviving printed book in the world, is also among the manuscripts.

WOW...this is interesting.

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 02:54 PM
1907 Anglo Russian convention seeks to neutralize Afghanistan and Tibet, trisects Persia into zones of influence.

1910 Chinese occupy Lhasa; Dalai Lama flees to India
1911-12 Manchu (Qing) Dynasty falls; Chinese Republic proclaimed civil war breaks out

1912 Dalai Lama returns to Lhasa and asserts Tibetan independence (1913)

A Treaty of friendship and alliance between the Government of Mongolia and Tibet was signed on February 2[1], 1913, at Urga (now Ulaanbaatar). However, there are been doubts about the authority of the Tibetan signatories to conclude such a treaty, and therefore about whether it constitutes a valid contract[2].

Occasionally, the mere existence of the treaty has been put into doubt, But its text in Mongolian language has been published by the Mongolian Academy of Sciences in 1982,[3] and in 2007 an original copy in Tibetan language and script surfaced from Mongolian archives.[4]
1913-1916 Stein explores northern Silk Road
1914 Simla Conference fails to win Chinese agreement on Tibet border and status.
1914-1918 World War One
1915 Gandhi arrives in India
1917 Bolsheviks seize power in Petrograd
1919 Third Anglo-Afghan War sees bombing of Kabul
1920 Bell's mission to Lhasa; wins backing for reforms

Lhasa, (pronounced /ˈlɑːsə/ in English, Tibetan: ལྷ་ས་ [IPA: [l̥ʰásə] or l̥ʰɜ́ːsə]; simplified Chinese: 拉萨; traditional Chinese: 拉薩; pinyin: Lāsà) sometimes spelled Lasa, is the administrative capital of the Tibet Autonomous Region in the People's Republic of China. Lhasa is located at the foot of Mount Gephel.

Traditionally, the city is the seat of the Dalai Lama and the capital of Tibet, and is one of the highest capitals in the world. It is the location of the Potala and Norbulingka palaces (both are included as World Heritage Sites[1]), and in Tibetan Buddhism is regarded as the holiest centre in Tibet. The city is home to 257,400 people (2004 census estimate).
1923 Panchen Lama flees Tibet and begins exile
1923 McGovern, in disguise, is first America to reach Lhasa
1924 Bailey's mission to Lhasa; British Backed reformers deposed
1925 Roosevelts and Cutting explore Tibetan borderlands
1925-1928 Roerich Central Asian expedition
1927 Chiang Kai-Shek moves Chinese goverment Nanking
1927-33 Hedi leads Sino-Swedish Expedition to Central Asia
1930 India's Congress Party begins civil disobedience movement
1930-31 Stein's fourth and failed Harvard expedition

Stein was born in Budapest in a Jewish family. His parents had him and his brother, Ernst Eduard, baptised as Lutherans, while his parents and sisters remained Jews (a common way at the time to ensure one's sons get easier ahead in society).[1] He later became a British citizen and made his famous expeditions under British sponsorship
1931-32 First Dolan-Schafer expedition to eastern Tibet
1931 Japan occupies Manchuria (Korea)
1932 Franklin Roosevelt elected President
1933 Death f Thirteenth Dalai Lama
1934-35 Roerich leads a Department of Agriculture expedition into Asia

Interesting man

Nicholas Roerich, (October 9, 1874 - December 13, 1947) also known as Nikolai Konstantinovich Rerikh (alternative transliteration) (Russian: Николай Константинович Рерих), was a Russian painter, philosopher, scientist, writer, traveler, public figure[1]. He created about 7000 paintings (many of them are exhibited in well-known museums of the world) and about 30 literary works. N.Roerich is an author of idea and initiator of International Pact for protection of artistic and academic institutions and historical sites (Roerich’s Pact) and a founder of international movement for culture defense. Roerich earned several nominations for the Nobel Prize.

Manchurian expedition
In 1934-1935, Nicholas Roerich conducted an expedition in Inner Mongolia, Manchuria and China, organized by US Department of Agriculture. Expedition was aimed on collection of seeds of the plants preventing the destruction of benign layers of soil. In foresight of ecological disaster threat, N. Roerich in that years written: “Owing to ignorant and uncontrolled felling of forests and vegetation on the whole the deserts are extended up to ominous size. It is terrible to see as deprivation of landscape gardening more and more wipes protective and useful ground surface”. The expedition consisted of two parts. First itinerary included Khingan mountain ridge and Bargin plateau (1934), the second one –Gobi Desert, Ordos and Alashan (1935). These itineraries passed through a territory of Inner Mongolia located in northern and east-northern part of modern China. As a result of expedition near 300 species of xerophytes were found, herbs were collected, archeological studies were conducted, antique manuscripts of great scientific importance were found.
1934-35 Dolan and Schafer return to eastern Tibet
1935 Cutting is first American invited to Lhasa
1935 Fourteenenth Dalai Lama born in Amdo
1937 Ninth panchen Lama dies at Jyekundo
1937 Japan invades China
1938-39 Schafer leads SS expedition to Lhasa

The SS-Tibet expedition lead by Schäfer visited Tibet between April 1938 and August 1939. The purpose of the expedition was to acquire flora and fauna specimens, to perform an ethnological survey of the populace, and to gather cultural information on the Tibetans that included everything from their religious practices to the sexual positions used by older monks during homosexual relations with young adepts. There were rumors of secret tasks that included the SS making overtures to the Reting Regent to lay the groundwork for a German invasion of India through Tibet (if such a scheme had been formulated, Stalingrad stopped it cold). Schäfer was also rumored to be tasked with (dis)proving the "missing link" between apes and humans by collecting specimens that would prove his theory that the Abominable Snowman or Yeti was in fact nothing more than a species of bear that roamed between Nepal and Tibet. Schäfer failed to bag his "Yeti" bear, but the expedition did gather over fifty live animals that were sent back to Germany. Another interesting acquisition of the expedition was the 108-volume sacred document of the Tibetans, the Kangschur. Besides espionage and hunting for the Abominable Snowman, the SS-Tibet expedition may have also been involved in "geophysical" research to prove the "World Ice Theory", which may have included the search for fossilized remains of "giants" as part of the cosmology of the theory (more below).

1940 Burma road closed

1942-43 Tolstoy-Dolan Oss mission to Lhasa

1943 Harrer and Aufschnaiter enter Tibet
1947 India and Pakistan attain independence
1949 Communists take power in mainland China
1950 People's Liberation Army invades Tibet
1956 CIA helps Tibetan Rebels BOOYAH!
1959 Dalai Lama escapes to India
1967 Red Gaurds destroy Tibetan monastereies and sacred sites during cultural revolution (reminds me of latest Afghan conflict)

1979 Soviet Forces invade Afghanistan
1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran under Ayatollah Khomeini
1985 Mikhail Gorbachev becomes Soviet leader
1989 Sovier forces complete Aghanistan withdrawal

and then...

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 03:11 PM

This is a map of the old game. The new game is the control of the route.

North America is a side note of the old

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 04:29 PM
What else happened in the year 1812?

1812 Napoleon invades Russia
1812 Moorcroft and Hearsey explore Western Tibet

This is the cradle of the Great Game.

British East India Company begins to set up its trade partners. Hey..everybody has to eat.

Meanwhile the French, led by Napoleon, see this and decide to annex the whole thing by invading Russia.

What the heck was Napoleon thinking?

The trade routes to the east was a high value. It still is as we see, we now trade in oil not in silk.

The Brits always had the oil thing in mind and this was part of the glory of the control of Southern Persia and leaving the North to Russia.

Central Asia once again is rising to world attention as it did in Britain during its peak Empire years.

Russian Field Marshal Mikhail Kutuzov signs the Treaty of Bucharest, ending the Russo-Turkish War, 1806-1812 and making Bessarabia a part of Imperial Russia

War of 1812: U.S. President James Madison asks the U.S. Congress to declare war on Great Britain.

The War of 1812 begins between the United States and the British Empire

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 04:41 PM

Why does the Great Game Begin in 1812?

And who is this so called British Empire? you mean Canada?

Considering its historical significance to Canada it is surprising that so few stamps have been issued to commemorate the War of 1812. A by-product of the Napoleonic Wars that preoccupied most of Europe at the beginning of the 19th century, the War of 1812, declared by the United States on Great Britain under President James Madison on 18 June 1812, is a source of pride to Canadians as many inhabitants, principally of Upper Canada, fought alongside the Regular British Army and Indian allies to thwart American plans to capture what were then the British colonies on their northern flank.

The war was primarily caused by the British Navy's boarding of American ships to forcibly enlist any sailors of British origin and its attempts to prevent the United States from trading with France. In addition, the Americans, who were encountering strong resistance from Indians in their push westward, believed that Great Britain was encouraging Indian opposition.

The United States planned to take over Upper Canada (the basis of modern-day Ontario) and Lower Canada (the basis of modern-day Québec) in a single mass attack. The invasion was to occur at four strategic locations: across from Detroit, in the Niagara area, at Kingston, and south of Montréal. If they succeeded, they would isolate and then capture the stronghold of Québec City, thereby cutting off any further British troop movement up the St Lawrence River and into the Great Lakes.

There were wins and losses on both sides during the two years that the war lasted, with no clear victory for either of the warring parties (the Treaty of Ghent signed on 24 December 1814 maintained the status quo). The British colonies, however, remained independent of the United States and their inhabitants would continue to forge what would become some fifty years later the new Canadian nation.

Only three Canadian stamps featuring themes related to the War of 1812 have been issued: one commemorating the birth of Sir Isaac Brock, "the Hero of Upper Canada," one commemorating Laura Secord, and one in honour of Lieutenant-Colonel Charles-Michel de Saleberry. Tecumseh, who was an important ally, has never been portrayed on a Canadian stamp. He has, however, been honoured by Guernsey in a 1996 souvenir sheet that was produced for CAPEX 96.

I was taught in school that the War of 1812 was the War in which the Canadian's burned down the Whitehouse.

Any American's get taught that?

In 1814, during the War of 1812, the White House was set ablaze by British troops[19] during the Burning of Washington, in retaliation for burning Upper Canada's Parliament Buildings in the Battle of York; much of Washington was affected by these fires as well. Only the exterior walls remained, and they had to be torn down and mostly reconstructed due to weakening from the fire and subsequent exposure to the elements, except for portions of the south wall. Of the numerous objects taken from the White House when it was ransacked by British troops, only two have been recovered — a painting of George Washington, rescued by then-first lady Dolley Madison,[19] and a jewelry box returned to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1939 by Alan Van Dyke, a Canadian man who said that his grandfather had taken it from Washington. Most of the spoils were lost when a convoy of British ships led by HMS Fantome sank en route to Halifax off Prospect during a storm on the night of November 24, 1814.[20]

So the Great Game is played very close to home?

British North America was discovered by accident when Europe was in pursuit of another trade route to the far east.
edit...How close to home?
Breach, recent movie, one counter-intelligence officer asks another: "Tell me five facts about yourself. I'll tell you which one is a lie." This is a Kipling reference.

[edit on 9-6-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 07:33 PM
reply to post by whiteraven

Very good work. You must have dug deep in some old archive.
Thanks for all the hard work it is appreciated.

[edit on 9-6-2009 by SLAYER69]

posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 07:57 PM
Uzbekistan Praises Obama's Speech to Muslims

Uzbekistan has issued a rare statement of praise for the U.S. government, calling President Barack Obama's recent address to Muslims a start to a new era of relations with the Islamic world.

A statement from Uzbekistan's Foreign Ministry says Mr. Obama's speech was an "appeal to break with a vicious circle of mistrust" with the Muslim world. The ministry said it confirms the "realism and pragmatism" in the Obama administration's foreign policy approach.

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