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Despite the pompous statements from Mayor Bloomberg of New York and other politicians, including Representative Peter King, the whole story is bogus. The four losers may have been inclined to violence, and they may have harbored a virulent strain of anti-Semitism.
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by ANNED
Wow I forgot how the FBI framed them too. Why do we even have the FBI or CIA since everyone is just framed?
The Branch Davidians were a bunch of idiots following a psychopath that also happened to be a delusional, paranoid, gun hoarding schizophrenic.
Personally, I would have negotiated with the Branch Davidians for maybe a day and then I would have set fire to the complex myself. I doubt the FBI spent millions of dollars and manhours trying to negotiate with a group of nutcases just to decide to kill them after a month or two.
Randy Weaver sat in a building shooting at the FBI, but it was the FBI's fault because they should have just let him do whatever he wanted.
Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by ADVISOR
Nobody would hate us and want to harm us if our gov would do the right thing and lead by example. If they did the right things for our country instead of choosing what is right for us maybe terror attacks would not happen.
It's hard to want to kill the people of a country when they are nice and generous to all others around the world.
It's hard to want to harm any people who set good examples and are peaceful and prevent war.
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by ANNED
Randy Weaver sat in a building shooting at the FBI, but it was the FBI's fault because they should have just let him do whatever he wanted.
Originally posted by littlebunny
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by ANNED
Randy Weaver sat in a building shooting at the FBI, but it was the FBI's fault because they should have just let him do whatever he wanted.
One could argue both sides of this debate and both are equally right in my eyes. Each should be considered on a case by case basis.
However your quote above is a flatass WRONG! That isn't even remotely true. It's just flatass wrong and you should be ashamed for posting something that is so ridiculously false.
I don't see the need to rehash all the stuff that actually happened with regards to Ruby Ridge, except these parts.
Fact: An FBI informant asked Mr. Ruby to build him a personal home defense sawed off shut gun.. Mr. Ruby did so. Then the FBI caught Mr. Ruby out in the streets and tried to turn him into an informant. Mr. Ruby refused and when they brought him up on charges he made bail and never went back to court. (All this is public knowledge and was brought out in court.)
Fact: When Mr. Ruby's dogs alerted Mr. Ruby's family and friends something was wrong around the house, Mr. Ruby's son and a family friend started down the driveway. When one of the dogs took after someone hiding in the bushes the FBI, or US. Marshall's killed the dog. When the two boys started running towards the house warning everyone else people were in the woods shooting at them, the FBI or US. Marshall's shot and killed Mr. Ruby's son. As the rest of the families, plural, ran towards the house for cover Mrs. Ruby came to the door armed with their new infant child because she was told "they" killed her boy and was shot cold by a FBI sniper in the head. Two of Mr. Ruby's family lay dead before he fired the first shot. (All of this is public knowledge as well.)
Fact: All of Mrs. Ruby's surviving children received 1 million dollars each for the action taken against them and their family that fateful day. And Mr. Ruby was found not guilty. Not to mention each of the federal officers involved with those murders were found not guilty by a federal government panel. (I actually got into a little newspaper argument with a Regional FBI Director over those agents being found not guilty.)
Originally posted by NICAP
In the documentary that I mentioned above, they had the Weavers, the FBI snipers, and the US Marshall that shot the dog all on camera. The US Marshalls shot the dog, which prompted the son and Mr. Weaver's friend to shoot back. The son was killed, along with a Marshall. The rules of engagement that the FBI drafted stated that they could shoot any adult on site. When Mrs. Weaver opened the door, the sniper blew her head off even though she was carrying her new born child. Most of what you posted is accurate, however there are a couple of items that are a bit off. Mr. Weaver was actually convicted of missing his court date and violating his bail conditions. He got 18 months, but only served 4. Also, at least some of the federal agents involved were never even tried by any sort of court or government panel. For instance, the sniper that shot Mrs. Weaver was actually charged with manslaughter in Idaho, but the federal government came in and took over the case. The charges were ultimately dismissed on the grounds of sovereign immunity.
Originally posted by ADVISOR
To make matters worse, there have been government agents tracking terrorist groups in the USA since the 80s. Many article can be found by a simple search. There are numerous threads within ATS detailing the facts on that, so no need to go into it on this thread.
There are at least 35 known actual terror camps inside the USA, and here we have reports of the federal agencies screwing off and wasting critical resources and money we don't have not to mention valuable time.
In 2002/03 there were approx 20 known terror groups inside the USA, earleir this year the media months and years after the fact, reported 35 known. That is 15 new known camps within 6 years, after 9/11.
False flag, misdirection or plain idiocy we may never known but we do know the Fed is f'ed up. Major reform and improved oversight of the government is essential.
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
The FBI just runs around trying to frame people as terrorists so they can get more budget money.