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Originally posted by poet1b
I think in a society as wealthy as our own, people should be given a hand when down on their luck, but I don't think people should be allowed to live on welfare for more than six months. After a certain amount of time, instead of just providing money, people who can't hold a job should be required to move into a controlled environment, where they are required to do the basics in order to continue live where they live, like get up in the morning, clean their house, do chores for the community, attend classes, and all these sorts of things. Failure to comply would mean being put out.
Originally posted by UnderTheirRadar
The outcome of this will not be pretty at all, crime Is already on the rise at It Is.
It's like you can't even get a job at Mc'Donalds or Wal Mart of all places over In California. I know first hand being that I had gotten laid off a few month's ago. It just baffles me that a Corporation like Wal Mart Is eager to hire people who cannot even speak english properly instead of someone with a degree or some sort's of education.
Originally posted by phair
When the people demand a solution one will be offered: put the "poor" in work (death) camps for their food, shelter,medical, safety. It will be great for them. Maybe they'll get to wear the same clothes and start an orchestra that will be featured on news programs. Arnold showing the Nazi that he really is, again.
Originally posted by blueorder
you really don't understand the terms you are using- the Nazis were big into their welfare programs
Originally posted by uncommon-sense
Not hard to see why we are all in such bad shape. I see people suggesting they raise taxes.... WOW. that has never been a solution to anything!
The only answer is to spend less. and to never go back to spending more than 80% of net revenue of the previous year.
The problem started when states began to anticipate their next years revenue. these estimates are never accurate and always inflated.
Especially harmful is the notion of raising the tax rate on the people who build the state. It has become fashionable to blame wealth for peoples problems when the opposite is true.
I mean seriously how many people are employed by a company owned by middle class wage earners....0.
If you tax the rich at 90 % they will simply shut down the buisnesses they currently run and move them to other states and or countries.
Spend less. only solution that will last.
Obviously the status quo of rewarding people for doing nothing has failed.
Every person on welfare will agree it is almost impossible to get off of it because the benifits of free health care, paid rent, paid utilities and of course day care would require a well above average pay job to replace.
And people who chose to not finish their High school education for what ever reason will be hard pressed to make decent wages.
Employers are asking workers to absorb an ever-greater share of rising health care costs, cutting into employees' net income, the report found.
"Workers don't have as much bargaining power as they once did," said Sylvia Allegretto, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, a nonpartisan group in Washington, D.C. "And we've had this ever-increasing inflation that was eating up those wage gains."
Partly because of high health care costs, real earnings - or wages adjusted for inflation - declined slightly nationwide over the past six years to a median of $27,299, according to Monday's Families USA study, which used data from the U.S. Census Bureau.
That downward trend mirrors the findings of the 2006 Economic Report of the President.
The annual report showed that the average real wage for workers with a bachelor's degree declined 5.2 percent, from $54,396 to $51,568, from 2000 to 2004.
It will be unpopular but the only solution is to lower the beniftis that the people receive to the point where working becomes a better alternative. It is called tough love for a reason.
It is tough, and there will be people who unfairly fall throiugh the cracks but that is not the fault of the masses who were led down this path by trying to provide a better world for it's inhabitants.
The problem is the people who treat the assistance programs as a way of life. They are the ones to blame and we should not subsidise their lifestyle.
BTW: just to be clear, I am only reffering to able bodied persons. Anyone who is mentally or physically disabled or likewise have a qualifying ailment are not the problem.
In fact I feel these people are the victims as much as the taxpayers. By being lumped in with the others they have been discriminated against already have been forced to take an ever smaller share of the total amount of assistance which was created to assist them in the first place.
A note of appreciation from the rich
Naturally, we try to play you off against each other whenever it suits our purposes: high-waged workers against low-waged, unionized against non-unionized, Black against White, male against female, American workers against Japanese against Mexican against.... We continually push your wages down by invoking "foreign competition," "the law of supply and demand," "national security," or "the bloated federal deficit." We throw you on the unemployed scrap heap if you step out of line or jeopardize our profits. And to give you an occasional break from the monotony of our daily economic blackmail, we allow you to participate in our stage-managed electoral shell games, better known to you ordinary folks as "elections." Happily, you haven't a clue as to what's really happening -- instead, you blame "Aliens," "Tree-hugging Environmentalists," "Niggers," "Jews," Welfare Queens," and countless others for your troubled situation.
We're also very pleased that many of you still embrace the "work ethic," even though most jobs in our economy degrade the environment, undermine your physical and emotional health, and basically suck your one and only life right out of you. We obviously don't know much about work, but we're sure glad you do!
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
This is awful, especially with all the tent cities and homelessness already going on in California. I would think they would be trying to do more to help these people, not taking away their assistance.
Arnold's not been doing a very good job, has he?
Originally posted by Jessicamsa
Hello there. What do you mean? The Nazis used welfare too? Or are you being sarcastic?
the state's entitlement program has spent them into bankruptcy.
Do you want police protection, and fire service, or would you rather adopt a hobo, and have him live in your back yard.
Originally posted by poet1b
And your links to back up this claim? People often makes claims like this, but when you look into the details, it becomes clear that what is claimed, and what actually occurred are very different things.
Originally posted by jkm1864
The funny thing is these people want communism but in communism if You don't have a job You go to jail until You get Your act together.
I believe a empty stomach is the best motivation to go out and get a job.
I wouldn't know what to do if my industry closed down but I would still make a go for it. I will probably have to go to africa in the future to get work.
I wouldn't ever resort to stealing though because whose to say the one You are stealing from is better off than You.
If worse came to worse I would head out to the woods with my family and live like a cave man.
We can point fingers all we want but when the rubber meets the road You are the one ultimately responsible for Your situation and You have the responsibility to take care of Your children not the people down the road that APPEAR to be better off.