Governor plans to completely eliminate welfare for families

reply to post by DangerDeath


The thing is, with agriculture intentions, you can grow this stuff in winter, which means for those types of purposes, the vast Midwest plains would work just fine, and they have more than enough spare land for growing. There would be no need for a land rush. The big problem that remains is that so many industries are opposed to it. Hopefully, the people wake up to the real reasons behind restrictions, as it would be a big step in an offense against the PTB.

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
reply to post by AllinTheMind89

 

You are stereotyping and how do you really know a persons situation?? You dont plain and simple. I grew up with the help of the welfare system. My mom was a single parent with three kids and NO help from my dad whatsoever or anyone else really. My mother worked 2 jobs AND put herself through school. If it wasnt for the assistance my mom received we would have been homeless and starving. My mom did her best but sometimes a little assistance is good and it helped her and us. When she no longer needed it she got off of it. There was no abusing the system in any way. I firmly believe some people do deserve some assistance and that too many others do abuse it. You really have no idea until you are in a situation where it would help YOU.

Actually it's funny you say I'm stereotyping and how I don't know what it's like, when in reality, I do. My parents got divorced 8 years ago and my dad has been a nobody ever since then. Leaving the state to go off with another woman, then coming back, then moving again, etc etc...

Therefore, he did not have a steady job and we were barely getting any money from him (keep in mind, my mom was raising 4 kids including me while working a job). So, my mom was forced to file bankruptcy with all the debt she had even though she was working but all of that money went to rent, food, water, etc...

We never received any help or any type of welfare because: A. my mom made too much (which isn't anything really) and B. because we weren't poor enough. You literally have to do NOTHING in order to get welfare.
That's what I am saying: there is NO help for the lower middle class/middle class family. My life situation was/is a perfect example of it.

Why would I need to tell you my personal life in order to make a point? I was not stereotyping, those are TRUE stories. I knew the kid I went to highschool with, I even talked to him about it. He even bragged about it! My mom has talked with the mother of those children that attend her school, so It's not like I'm making anything up.

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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by DangerDeath

 

The thing is, with agriculture intentions, you can grow this stuff in winter, which means for those types of purposes, the vast Midwest plains would work just fine, and they have more than enough spare land for growing. There would be no need for a land rush. The big problem that remains is that so many industries are opposed to it. Hopefully, the people wake up to the real reasons behind restrictions, as it would be a big step in an offense against the PTB.

Now, knowing from ATS-ers that British Queen is buying lots of land in Colorado, could that be the reason? I mean, are they planning to envelop the whole world in the cloud of weed?

Now, back to the topic. The recent downfall of USD, Obama's announcement that he's out of money, California budget deficit, huge layoffs, huge number of immigrants, ... all this depicts a very specific political situation, and it tastes very, very bad.

There is now plenty of cheap labor in America, so what is it going to be? What will they do? What is the plan of the PTB? How will they keep all those poor people busy?

When we sum up all the conspiracies, many of them having bankers in central position as their "heroes", what are those heroes up to, when it is clear that the banking system is in such a crisis, practically the whole system from last 30 years has collapsed.

Is the mandatory voluntary action going to replace the existing welfare program which obviously can not find finance any more?

Since governor's plan has not been accepted, the situation is stalled right now. Who has the initiative? Is the cannabis production really an option? And how much would it resolve. Not the employing problems, but maybe financial?

Originally posted by Melissa101
reply to post by AllinTheMind89

 

Yes there are many people who abuse the system and good Lord the imigrants aren't helping. It would be good if there was some way to distinguish those that are full of it and those that need it. My point is if there are no jobs then how are people supposed to work? Yea two years ago your argument would have been valid but today everything has changed. Obama was for change and by God we got change.

I agree with your statement too. If there was a way to weed out the immigrants and the ones that abuse it, then I would be all for welfare. I understand about the no jobs too. I lost my job back in december, right before Christmas (go figure). It took me a MONTH to find another one, and I'm working a night shift job now because it was the only one I could find. I'm grateful I found it, but It messed my whole schedule up. '

And yes. We indeed got change. You know, he never specified whether or not it would be a "good" or "bad" change, so nobody can blame him for anything. I saw him speak when he came to my town, and he gave very vague statements. Needless to say, I didn't vote for him or McCain. Ron Paul all the way!

Originally posted by StellarX
had a child below age 3 or had three or more children, were Latina or African American, and were under age 24. These risk factors illustrate the importance of structural barriers, such as inadequate child care, racism, and lack of education.

www.apa.org...

I have to disagree with this. I live in a state, Wyoming, that is full of single WHITE women who have a child or more, and many of them try to get men at the main club in town because this city is known to have many engineers, and even greasemonkeys who make quite a bit of money.

This is not happening just with "LATINA, and Black" single mothers. That claim to me is nothing more than another racist remark.




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What's the matter? Aren't you people for small government? Rugged individualism? Conservative values? Against socialism?

What wrong with such a move by the governor?

Maybe that is the reason that they built those camps that so many are talking about. Will a lot of the politicians lose their jobs as well???. I think not.

This is a threat and nothing more...and the threat will work.

Gotta raise taxes and the only way to do it is to scare the living daylights out of the conservatives.

He also has mentioned the early release of thousands of criminals into an economy with no jobs...wonder what they'll do for work lol!

In CA you need a 2/3rds majority to raise taxes so I think Arnold is working on either repealing that law or getting the votes he needs. Not to mention Fed dollars. A real threat, I think he would do it and let chaos ensue until we are forced to submit.

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Being in Wyoming, maybe those tests are more frequent because they are worried about yellowstone. Scary.

Originally posted by amatrine
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Being in Wyoming, maybe those tests are more frequent because they are worried about yellowstone. Scary.

well this really changes many things.

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Originally posted by antmax21
What an odd case of circumstances...
What a bastard...Even with all these problems in the economy..
He is only asking for trouble.

I totally agree it makes no sense and will surely place many people in crisis.

Ill have to wait and see this, that State will become a Warzone, think what a mess LA will become when the gangs don't get their foodstamps and welfare payments.

Quite a few of you in this thread really do have a feel for what this is about.
At least, in my opinion you do.
It's a common threat to illicit a response.
It's happening in Nevada too.

As soon as the coffers run low, the politicians start screaming about how they are going to have to eliminate the important programs that people depend on.

We're going to have to cut back on..Police, Fire Departments, Education, programs that assist the less than fortunate, etc...The IMPORTANT things that our taxes SHOULD be used for. It's a threat.

Then the public yells back. YOU CAN"T CUT THOSE PROGRAMS, WE NEED THEM.

Then, rather than taking a deep look at the bloated government, with it's redundant positions, large salaries. Mismanaged programs. The response back to the public is "Well, we're going to have to raise taxes"

The public then breathes a sigh of relief, and forks over a few more bucks per week. Even going so far as DEFENDING the tax hikes. Because "all hell will break loose if they don't".

We're suckers that way.

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We often speak of welfare and the rampant waste within it's framework. But governments, by and large, are big institutions. And just like the House of Commons in the UK our legislatures are full of people who skim off the top. We have a welfare state alright. Not only do they create the problem, they make money off of it. Our welfare state provides free money to corporations and politicians. Often what we pay for is not what is promised and then tax day comes, and we foot the bill again. If welfare were just about helping poor people get educated and get ahead I would have no problem with it. That is what I call a long term investment. But if the idea of welfare is to keep the revolving door spinning then we are going to be continuously screwed, as the tenets of society are not matched to the true needs of those who are on welfare, and as long as that is the case welfare will never be anything but a drain that makes poverty worse.

I have no sympathy for 90% of the people on welfare, I see it first hand everyday, I see these people in my apt complex, around my neighborhood, all over San Diego and the surrounding cities, they are taking advantage and will pop out kids just to get the extra compensation, they are very lazy people. I did not graduate as I had a lot of trouble with school and actions that I took during that time but I currently wake up at 6 am, work all day, get home with enough time to change clothes and head out to my night job, I do this 5 days a week. On the weekend I donate plasma which banks me $35. People saying their arn't jobs are full of their own bs, their were job losses in certain industries but are people only capable of such limited skills? Look, look and look some more, they are everywhere, they arn't great but they are everywhere.

I do this because I understand that sometimes it can be hard to find a job as I was recently jobless for 4 months and saw how desperate I got but I still gave plasma twice a week and frantically looked for any side jobs I could find. I discovered that for a motivated person there is always a way and I don't even have anyone to rely on here. It's all about looking and not giving up. I say let them lose their crutch so the crutch can go back to the people that need it.

I just don't get this sympathetic mind set, they are enabling our drift into a hell on earth. I say let them suffer and let their actions decide what will come of them, I could very well become a casualty of their actions should they choose the wrong path but eventually evil would burn out and the meek would make their way.

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In New Zealand, people that were my parents age, had free university. Now in my time to live - 22, we have a large welfare state population and a much higher crime rate. We leave university with commonly $20-40k+ NZD (10-20k USD) loans and in these times often no way to pay them easily. Laws have been recently changed to make student loans interest free for now, while still in the country.

Whomever wants to have state as a tool to ensure his authority - must feed people. There's no way things will stay peaceful if people are hungry. it is very simple.

It means that those people who work will have to feed those who don't, because otherwise everything will fall apart. That is the nature of state. All are involved, you can't just exclude yourself from the whole.

Even the kings must comply to this.

If that does happen I think you find is a thousand people will turn up to every position advertised. Then bosses will threaten people with the sack if they don't shed there conditions and take pay cuts!

That's a first class ticket to the third world conditions if you ask me! I think it will work it's way up the chain and create a slave populace "Maybe that was the whole idea all along!"

We are seeing in Ca. a prequel to what is going to happen to the fed. gov.
the ponzy scheme called social sec. and medicare and the entire welfare state are now on the brink of collaspe. previous post have stated correctly that Ca. is just the tip of the iceberg. Our gov. has bred a generation of leeches that have finally sucked dry the host they rely on. We are going to see riots not only in Ca. but across the country, as both fed, and state gov. finally admit that the welfare state is unsustainable. Those that have the means to flee Ca. will simply find themselves delaying the enevitable, as state by state and nation by nation the collapse gains speed. A dark time is coming, the parasites will be desprerate to keep getting their free ride, and the producers will find themselves taxed to the point of ruination. My message to those who have the means and the ability to survive the coming conflict is this. prepare and hunker down. The new mantra for survival of what is coming is "Me and mine, "

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Well, They need to definately change their laws in those states. That isn't right, I used to think NJ was one of the hardest states around, but where you lived is really hard.Btw, there are programs for women of domesttic abuse all over the country. But there is a burden of proof. And usually they will and do relocate you and the children. That is not fair to keep anyone in one place when the jobs arent there. But, I'm sure your kind of situation happens far less than the people actually just outright taking advantage of the system.
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