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Proposal would require all to have health coverage

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posted on May, 15 2009 @ 01:22 PM

You know, nations with socialism are much happier than nations with full-blown capitalism.

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 01:28 PM
reply to post by Discordian Queen

you might find this interesting - suicide map

Apparently communist countries are even happier.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by 2 cents]

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 02:19 PM
Massachusetts has legislation that is very similar to this proposal. See in this article
No health insurance? Face fines

Failure to subscribe can cost residents up to $912 a year

The Massachusetts universal coverage plan is overregulated and largely unworkable," said Devon Herrick,, senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis

The 2-year-old program is already $147 million in the red, and the four carriers that provide the subsidized insurance estimate costs rising by 14 percent in the next year.

And this year they are making it mandatory to have prescription insurance in addition the the basic insurance that was required!


[edit on 15-5-2009 by MysterE]

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 02:23 PM
reply to post by 2 cents

Suicide rates in the upper hemisphere go up because they see the sun much less than we do.

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 02:55 PM
The problem is... This is not the same health care they are getting in places like the UK and Canada. We are going to be forced to PAY for mandatory insurance. Does anyone remember what happened when the government forced us to pay for mandatory auto ins? We were told it would bring down the cost of auto insurance because everyone would have it. The cost of auto insurance skyrocketed in the first year! The cheapest place in the nation to insure an auto was is in Utah where it wasn't required by law that you have it.

How long will it be before the government says that the insurance company can raise your rates if you smoke, drink, are 10 pounds over weight, have trouble sleeping, eat the wrong foods or have burdened the insurance company with having to pay for the birth of over one child?

This isn't going to be good and if we let it happen we deserve what we get...

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 03:03 PM

Originally posted by wyleecoyote

How long will it be before the government says that the insurance company can raise your rates if you smoke, drink, are 10 pounds over weight, have trouble sleeping, eat the wrong foods or have burdened the insurance company with having to pay for the birth of over one child?

This isn't going to be good and if we let it happen we deserve what we get...

Exactly, we are giving total control to the insurance companies. Are we supposed to pretend that they'll suddenly become benevolent, and stop chasing profits, and actually do whats best for the insured? It's not going to happen. Prices will go up, coverage will go down, and we won't have any choice in the matter.

This is the saddest excuse for a health care plan Washington has ever come up with. If it passes, it will probably be another 20 years before we see any sort of decent health-care reform.

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 04:29 PM
Two words. S%#k it!

I don't want your forced health care, because all Big Pharma wants to do is things like medicate everyone. Like we all have some sort of disease that "requires" medicating. Yup, we all need insurance to make sure we all get our daily dose of vitamin "P" for Poison.

And the health care system is so ridiculous anyway. A doctor comes in and shakes your hand, "How are you?" "That will be $100 please."

If I want to insure my health, I'll freakin' go buy it. I don't frequent doctors or hospitals. I don't need to buy insurance at this moment. Thank you White House Hitlers!

I allready hate throwing away money on car insurance, which in all my years of driving, I have never used. I'm rarely in situations where I need to use it.


[edit on 15-5-2009 by cybertroy]

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 05:20 PM
reply to post by platosallegory

"Of course they would be helped but that will not be the norm.

One of the main problems is prevention. People without insurance will not go to the hospital until they have to. So if they had a physica and it was found early, Doctor's could catch it in it's early stages."

umm....ya, you're talking to the one who laid in a bed with her leg in a splint for close to a week frantically searching for a way to come up with a few thousand for a downpayment to the doctor, so he would set an ankle!!!

I knew there was a problem long before that point, buried myself in debt at the doctor's bidding. my boss knew there was a problem too, didn't prevent him from still having me do the crap that was m aking it worse....and well.......let's just say that the only help I found was in the form of a state senator who I think twisted a few arms to get me the care I needed....

and, I still walked away with close to two years of my earnings in debt for it!!

I don't have much trust in the human race anymore when it comes to charity or help. and, what we are being offered here isn't charity or help of any kind, it's just a better way to funnel money from the people into the big government/big corp conglomerate.
if you ask me, they should be telling the industry to knock off the crap or they will be pulling every dime of taxmoney that is sent to them....
bet that would do more good than this will.....

wonder how much it is gonna cost me to have my medical records tracked down and digitized??? hmmm.......

oh well, on the brighter side, my coworker had her baby I hear.......third baby, probably third father....oh, it was on your dime....

hope that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 05:52 PM

Originally posted by charlie0

Please don't be so nervous about socialized health. After all a healthy nation will always be productive. Go on internet and ask the citizen of countries such as UK, Germany India etc. especially the one who are aware of the system in USA and ask them questions how they feel. ................

We have, and actually we have shown that people in places like Canada for example come to the United States to get medical attention they cannot get in countries like Canada....

Please deny ignorance, most, if not all Socialized health cares in the world are bankrupt, many people don't get proper care even though "supposedly" Socialized health care is perfect, which is not...

Here are some examples of what you are trying to claim is a perfect healthcare system...

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

TechCentralStation: Canadians Will Cross United States Border to Access Prescription Drugs and Medical Treatment
Business Wire , July 21, 2003


On July 24 a group of Canadian patients are bussing from Saint John, New Brunswick, to Bangor, Maine, to access prescription drugs and other treatments unavailable to them in Canada.

The bus carrying the 17 patients will arrive at the Bangor Hampton Inn, off 10 Bangor Mall Blvd. approximately 11:30 a.m. EST. There the patients will disembark and be transported by cars to their medical appointments.

Canadian Dr. Tony Lordon will be escorting his patients on this journey; all will be available for advance media interviews Wednesday, July 23.

Canadian price controls and health care rationing have forced these patients to seek more effective prescription drugs and medical procedures in the United States. These patients, and countless others like them, have found that prescription drug coverage in Canada limits the use of commonly prescribed drugs in the United States.

Those are just a couple of examples, there are a lot more, and yet you want the United States to nationalize it's healthcare system like that of Canada, and other countries? Then where would all these people that can't get help in the "Nationalized healthcare systems" get help from?... BTW, that does include Americans...

[edit on 15-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

posted on May, 16 2009 @ 04:39 PM

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
Many people already have healthcare. That is, people with a decent job.

What I see happening with health coverage for all is just another word for more welfare and taxes.

So the people WITH healthcare will see no difference in all of this, except more taxes taken out of their checks. In the end, they know they are helping people with no jobs...thats got to make everyone feel better

Government funding should be used for very few things. Law enforcement, schooling, military, public maintenance, parks (etc) and research (I am sure I forgot somethin). The only times I believe in welfare are when someone gets laid off, or if someone is working 60 hours a week plus, not living out of their means, and can not afford a basic necessity of life (maybe health care, but only under those circumstances).

What is a "decent job"? Is it when you can pay for private schools, your own gardener, your own private security guard, and a doctor specialized on you? If we don't care about people whith a smaller wallet, then we have to take care of the public maintenance on our own spare time. Everyone with a work, is important in some way. And everyone can loose their job for one reason or another.

Originally posted by 2 cents
Can those that opt out of gov't health care for private care or none also opt out of paying the huge taxes that pay for that FREE health care?

No, and they aren't that "huge". I'm happy whith our healt care, and i'm also happy with the low prices when i need a doctor, dentist or something else.

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