reply to post by Zosynspiracy
There are legitimate reasons why the US could and should be in every part of the world but its not our job to police the world.
Well, you may find quite a few Marines who would beg to differ on that. Marines pride themselves in being the 911 for the world. Whether or not that
is their official capacity makes no difference - they view themselves as such and take great pride in being the modern day hero for those who cannot
defend themselves. All politics aside! There are several points being debated within this topic, and the lines are getting blurred. I am NOT defending
politicians, liberals, conservatives, democrats or republicans. I am defending the military personnel, whose job is not to play politics.
The only we do it is to secure our financial and economic interests. I'd say the American populace needs reality check when it comes to their
materialistic hyperconsumptive lifestyle.
I agree, but again, that is assuming that EVERY American is materialistic and hyper-consuming. That is simply not the case.
What are these WMD's your friend's supposedly found?
I know that chemical warheads were found. And I know that some weapons caches were not disclosed to the public and the personnel were told not to talk
about it. I don't know what those are, but I know they fell into the "WMD" category. This should shock you and make you wonder why the media lied,
and why Bush didn't defend it.
Iraq was never a threat to the US. No more than Mexico is a threat to our national security. That's the entire problem...the average soldier
doesn't care aout who profits from war. They are blinded by their "duty" and service propaganda.
I'm with you on a lot of things, but some things you don't have correct. To simply state "Iraq was never a threat to the US" is way off. But here
again, what are we talking about? Are we talking about real terrorists? Are we talking about hired terrorists? Are we talking about politics? There
are so many factors and "what if's" in this topic, that it's virtually impossible to debate without first setting up some common ground.
As far as soldiers being "blinded by their duty", I think that's extremely unfair. If you hold that kind of moral obligation to people you don't
know, then you yourself must also be held accountable. There are products and services you use every single day which are owned by corporations that
profit from war. Are you blinded by your consumption as well? Or is the beast too big for you to bear, and so you do what only one person can, given
the tools you've got? You cannot lay that entire moral burden on the military people without also taking responsibility yourself.
There are starving children in LA that need shoes and medicine and we don't need a 600 billion dollar budget to give it to them.
True...but where is your passion for anti-abortion, and better traffic laws? More people and unborn infants die from those in a few months than what
we have lost in the entire war. We HAVE programs to feed starving children in the country. But here's the double standard rearing it's ugly head
again...if the starving children in LA truly concerns you, then DO SOMETHING! Meanwhile, military folks ARE doing something to help those around the
world, not sitting on a computer and complaining about the job everyone else is doing, because they know there are organizations already helping those
within our own borders. It may not be perfect, but if you notice a flaw and it bothers you, then do something about it. Don't bark up the other tree
with a double standard.
Your arguments in support of our foreign policy are weak and all too often regurgitated by the military.
I've never said I supported our foreign policy. I have only supported our troops, from THEIR VIEWPOINT. Not all of them agree with why we are there,
but again, there are many facets to this debate and too many "what if's". It is NOT black and white, and I'm glad you made that point. I don't
see it in B&W.
Your use of the term "liberal" is also typical of the military mindset.
Well, what would you like me to call them? I'd be happy to please. It's just a term to signify what they stand for.
Answer me this...if terrorists are so dangerous then why the hell hasn't there been ANY kind of Muslim extremist terrorist attack in the
United States since 9/11? Any whacko nutjob terrorist could buy a couple of AK's and go shoot up some schools or malls. Hell ANY person that wanted
to could strap a bomb to their chest and walk into any American mall and blow themselves up. YET NOTHING has happened. It would be very easy to cause
terror in the USA. But so far NOTHING. Why is that?
I can't answer that any better than you can. I could give arguments for both sides, but the bottom line is I don't know. Logically, one could say
that the much hated Patriot Act has prevented these attacks. In fact, if one were to look at reports released by the White House, many hundreds of
these attacks have been thwarted. Is it true? I don't know. But we haven't had another attack like 9/11....yet. It really isn't THAT easy to
smuggle bombs around, nor is it easy to coordinate simultaneous attacks. The CIA and FBI have stepped up their game, and perhaps they're just doing a
good job. Sure, if you want to be a lone bomber in a grocery store, you could do it, but how would that injure an entire country? It wouldn't. Bigger
scaled attacks are not easy to carry out any more.
The war on terror is a joke.
For the most part, I agree. However, unless every single terrorist attack, beginning with Reagan's era, were engineered by shadow groups within the
US, I think we still have very real enemies. I don't prefer to call them terrorists....they are radical Jihadists who are killing off the zionists
and infidels (non-Muslims) in the name of God.
It's politics and economics plain and simple.
That's what it looks like, but I think it's all about religion and keeping the human race from realizing its strength and potential. Politics and
economics only masks the deeper issues. Like you said - divide and conquer. How can our "enemies" fight a war completely about God, while we sit &
complain it's all about politics? It doesn't make sense.