Military Disgust of President Obama

Originally posted by BrainPower
I ... seem to remember something about defending the Constitution of the United States of America against ALL enemies, forgien AND DOMESTIC ... .

You think Obama's disregard of the Constitution's protection of contracts (TARP banks, control of GM and Chrysler), free speech and double jeopardy ("hate crimes" legislation), and 10th and 11th amendment guarantees of State's Rights (stimulus 'threats' to withhold funds) culd be a clue?

I don't know either.

jw

reply to post by emeraldzeus


Pathetic! My point was the same military people that are sitting around bitching and whining about Obama were swallowing hook line and sinker Bush's War on Terror. Everytime anyone in the military was shown evidence or given information that went against the mainstream they were laughed at, chaulked up as CTers or even worse anti-American. Now that the rose colored glasses have been lifted and the military is waking up to the lies and distortions of its leaders and the White House those of us who've been peddling the truth are supposed to feel sorry for you all of a sudden. Gimme a break.

Obama is a fraud. Bush was a fraud. Clinton was a fraud. Bush Sr. was a fraud. Need I go on? The military is just now figuring it out? Most Marines have never even heard of Smedley Butler. LMAO!

When my brother was in the army up until a few years back, they were not allowed to say anything disrespectful towards Mr. Bushy. I have a feeling some of this is infact tied to racism. Obama follows the same orders Bush was following.

reply to post by jdub297


oh definitely!!! ya know i used to be more into the whole 2012 crowd stuff, but i seriously think this is more important. this is happening NOW and people really are starting to realize it. its a shame so many people just want to cover their eyes because "this cant happen in america". as much as the military gets bashed on for being brainwashed and whatnot, i have seen more people here that can see whats going on that anywhere else!!!

reply to post by PammyK

Oh, I forgot to mention his decision to make wounded vets pay for their own health care.

Even though he retracted that statement/plan when confronted by the Commandant of the American Legion, do you think that maybe he revealed a little bit about the value he puts on our Sailors, Marines and Soldiers?

How about the fact that he's a socialist Chicagoland political thug?

I don't know. Just wonderin'.

jw


[edit on 13-5-2009 by jdub297]

Some of you still don't get it. The top brass in the military are incahoots with the politicians. They are as rich and powerful as any of them. Obama does not serve the US. He serves the NWO. He was put in place to usher in the beginning of a one world government and one world economy. For that to come to fruition he has to decimate the American middle class. The average grunt is the "middle class" of the military. The top brass is the citizen version of the wealthy elite. They don't give a # about the soldiers on the front line.

Originally posted by WonkoTheSane
When my brother was in the army up until a few years back, they were not allowed to say anything disrespectful towards Mr. Bushy. I have a feeling some of this is infact tied to racism. Obama follows the same orders Bush was following.

If your brother was an Officer then they aren't allowed to voice their feelings about the President (no matter who it is) in front of others.

If he was enlisted then I doubt you are telling the whole truth about the subject.

I think you see this as one more way you can call those who don't support Obama racist.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
... (Obama) has to decimate the American middle class.

Even before he was holding any office, Obama wrote of his disdain of and disgust by "middleclassness." As a principle of his 'community organizing,' Obama openly supported and engaged in attacks on middle class residents and businesses in his "targeted" neighborhoods.

Even after stealing a seat in the IL senate and as a candidate for the US Senate, he continued in his determination to end "middleclassness" by whatever means he could to ensure himself a reliable constituency.

Read his books.

jw

The military in sworn "uphold and defend the Constitution of the US." and to follow the "lawful" orders of the chain of command.


"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962)

Upholding the Constitution come first.

There is nothing about liking anyone.

There is nothing about restricting the freedom of speach of military personal.

In fact the constitution gives the military the same rights under the constitution.

2 years ago I went to go see a family member that had seen 3 wars and 12-14 invasions (max back in the early 40's-50's was 10) A Navy vet of 24 years.

After he signed up for the next one invasion, they put him pushing boots in the Naval Base in CA. Almost every graduating class, thanked him for being hard on them during boot camp, he saved their life and for some deeply changed them for the better.

We were having lunch at a restrurant and in the conversation, I thought I'd see just exactally where he stood with bush...

He looked at me, looked around the restaurant for a split sec and then said..

"Someone needs to shoot that SoB!!!!! the sooner the better~!" I was totally shocked..!!! but it really spoke to me what I always believed.

I didn't elaborate .. but, I thought it was more than plenty comming from a highly decorated vet!

Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
... (Obama) has to decimate the American middle class.

Even before he was holding any office, Obama wrote of his disdain of and disgust by "middleclassness." As a principle of his 'community organizing,' Obama openly supported and engaged in attacks on middle class residents and businesses in his "targeted" neighborhoods.

Even after stealing a seat in the IL senate and as a candidate for the US Senate, he continued in his determination to end "middleclassness" by whatever means he could to ensure himself a reliable constituency.

Read his books.

jw

I have hence my statement on him destroying the middle class. The question is why does the government want to destroy the middle class? One world government and one world economy. A world in which corporations and government are one in the same. Why? Because most of our politicians are ex CEO's or atleast have strong ties to corporations. That is where most of their wealth comes from. Just look at the companies they invest in. Hell we had a former CEO running the invasion of Iraq as Secretary of Defense. LMAO!

The OWGOWE is all about reliance. Middle class people are by their very nature, independent, self reliant, thinkers, college educated etc. Destroy what they are and make them reliant on others i.e. the goverment through their livelihood, their mortgage, their debt, their food supply, etc. Destroy family farms, It all can be put into perspective under the auspice of the NWO.

Originally posted by Komodo
2 years ago I went to go see a family member that had seen 3 wars and 12-14 invasions (max back in the early 40's-50's was 10) A Navy vet of 24 years.

After he signed up for the next one invasion, they put him pushing boots in the Naval Base in CA. Almost every graduating class, thanked him for being hard on them during boot camp, he saved their life and for some deeply changed them for the better.

We were having lunch at a restrurant and in the conversation, I thought I'd see just exactally where he stood with bush...

He looked at me, looked around the restaurant for a split sec and then said..

"Someone needs to shoot that SoB!!!!! the sooner the better~!" I was totally shocked..!!! but it really spoke to me what I always believed.

I didn't elaborate .. but, I thought it was more than plenty comming from a highly decorated vet!

And what is it that you believe? A Navy Vet of 24 years should have understood that it started way before Bush was even a drunk college idiot. Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Carter, just about every President for the last 60 years has been responsible for the mess that we are in.

reply to post by PammyK


The office, and the person are two different entities. The military aren't stupid, and most will recognize him as nothing more than a pretender to the throne. The real power is our new Prime Minister Rahm Emanuel.

Obama is a weak president.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy

Pathetic! My point was the same military people that are sitting around bitching and whining about Obama were swallowing hook line and sinker Bush's War on Terror.

Another broad generalization. I beg to differ! While we may never know the "real" reasons we went to war, there was and still ARE legitimate reasons why military members are there. Otherwise, we would not still have an all-volunteer service. You cannot expect to speak for the majority, if the majority is not as outspoken as yourself. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't exist, and for many folks, they saw a genuine need for what we have done and are doing in Iraq. The WMD's, and the fact that they DO exist, was a blatant lie in the media, which angered me to no end that it was never defended by the Bush administration. I KNOW Marines who uncovered large stashes of weapons, some of which WERE WMD's. So we've all been lied to, and repeatedly. But no, that's not the popular thing to say, especially in the face of our liberally-mouthed country, but I have friends over there.....many of them. And even more who have come back, gone over again, and come back. They don't deal in political issues, otherwise everyone would go insane. They deal with immediate needs, and the media as a whole does NOT portray the good they have provided to the majority of the population in the middle east.

"Bush's war on terror" was just a slogan...we've had these enemies for decades, and we can go back quite a few presidents if you like, and try to discover who was REALLY at fault for letting it get out of hand. War is a racket, no doubt. But if there weren't a real need to liberate oppressed and tortured people, then there wouldn't be corporations around to make a profit. The average G.I. Joe cares nothing about who is profiting, but he does care that he rescued a child or a family. He does care that children with no shoes are now spending their days in school, rather than running around with terrorist groups, much equivalent to our "gangs", but on a far worse level. They didn't buy it hook, line and sinker - they did their job, despite congress who tied both hands behind their backs, and despite our own media who jumps at every chance to demonize them when one of them goes nuts.

Every time anyone in the military was shown evidence or given information that went against the mainstream they were laughed at, chaulked up as CTers or even worse anti-American. Now that the rose colored glasses have been lifted and the military is waking up to the lies and distortions of its leaders and the White House those of us who've been peddling the truth are supposed to feel sorry for you all of a sudden. Gimme a break.

You've got it backwards. I'm more ticked off that WMD's were never defended, and I wanted to know why it was allowed to become a lie. What was the underlying motive for THAT?? That's far more disheartening than the supposed "lie", because our Commander in Chief sold us out. Our troops fought for him, but he didn't fight the media for them. Why? The proof was there, and many troops were told not to talk about what they had found. So just when you think you know the truth, the lies getting deeper.

Obama is a fraud. Bush was a fraud. Clinton was a fraud. Bush Sr. was a fraud. Need I go on?

I'm with you on that, but it goes WAY back to AT LEAST Roosevelt, and possibly even further.

The military is just now figuring it out? Most Marines have never even heard of Smedley Butler. LMAO!

Don't underestimate them. And as far as I know, Smedley Butler is still a required point of knowledge in Marine Corps history, which is taught in boot camp. Unless they changed, which I seriously doubt, EVERY Marine has heard of Smedley Butler. Whether or not they remember is another issue.

reply to post by emeraldzeus


There are legitimate reasons why the US could and should be in every part of the world but its not our job to police the world. The only we do it is to secure our financial and economic interests. I'd say the American populace needs reality check when it comes to their materialistic hyperconsumptive lifestyle.

What are these WMD's your friend's supposedly found? Iraq was never a threat to the US. No more than Mexico is a threat to our national security.

That's the entire problem............the average soldier doesn't care about who profits from war. They are blinded by their "duty" and service propaganda. There are starving children in LA that need shoes and medicine and we don't need a 600 billion dollar budget to give it to them. Your arguments in support of our foreign policy are weak and all too often regurgitated by the military. Your use of the term "liberal" is also typical of the military mindset. It's always this dichotomy with you guys. Liberal this liberal that. The same # Luttrell spewed in his book. Because of liberal rules of engagement his Navy SEAL buddies died? You're doing exactly what the government wants you to do. See everything in black and white....liberal this conservative that. Divide and conquer my friend.

Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest state sponsors of terror in the world. Yet they are our ally? LOL. Those are some rose colored glasses you got there fella. The CIA has been overthrowing governments and since its inception. And our military has been cleaning up the mess for the last 50+ years. The same thing is happening in Pakistan. Pakistan will be the next Iraq. Or worse the next Vietnam.

Answer me this.............if terrorists are so dangerous then why the hell hasn't there been ANY kind of Muslim extremist terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11? Any whacko nutjob terrorist could buy a couple of AK's and go shoot up some schools or malls. Hell ANY person that wanted to could strap a bomb to their chest and walk into any American mall and blow themselves up. YET NOTHING has happened. It would be very easy to cause terror in the USA. But so far NOTHING. Why is that? The war on terror is a joke. It's politics and economics plain and simple. You can justify it by "the poor children" but in the end it's the same old tired song.

[edit on 13-5-2009 by Zosynspiracy]

I apologize if this is off track.

You can “demand” respect or you can “earn” respect. I can’t speak for all of the military. However, in my Special Ops community, most of our leaders knew (or very quickly realized) the only way we would respect them is if they earned it. Your rank/grade means squat to me. Your experiences, attitudes, and prior decisions/choices mean everything. Example: Four of us comprised my last team. All of us had prior experience and possessed examples of having made intelligent decisions in the past except our team leader (officer). Knowing this, our team sergeant explained to our team leader that he would need to take a back seat and learn all he can. For doing this, the team leader would be credited with all of our accomplishments, but we were not going to risk our lives so he could practice his “on the job training.” Our team leader learned a lot from our experiences and developed into a "squared-away" leader. Not only did he learn invaluable lessons, he also earned our respect in the process.

As of yet, Obama has done nothing to earn my respect as a Commander in Chief. I don’t think Obama has done anything to earn the trust and respect of his soldiers. Looking at the situation from the outside, it doesn’t really seem as if Obama has even taken control of his military yet. If his responsibility to his soldiers is to make sure they get a paycheck, then sure, respect the guy. However, he is not responsible for some human resources office. His responsibilities affect life and death variables all across the world. I fail to see an established track record of positive accomplishments that would inspire my respect to Obama from the military side of the house. Until you prove that you deserve my respect, you’re going to have to sit on the bench. And if you try to demand my respect and try to play anyway, don’t expect me to be happy and not verbalize (at the very least) my discontent.

At the end of the day, Obama’s orders are still going to get followed. The results of these actions will shape the military’s view of him. The disgruntled chatter you hear from your colleagues will either begin to dissipate after positive steps forward have been made, or will get worse and possibly lead to further action (separation from the military, etc) if Obama takes negative steps backwards.

Moral of my story…respect the man (if he’s worth your respect), not the title or office…


[edit on 13-5-2009 by Lumpyloaf]

reply to post by PammyK


Pammy, to quote one sentence:

They all hate CNN and love and believe everything FOX news reports.

You hit the nail, right there!! (Except for the broad generalization that "all" feel the same way...). Nothing has changed -- for the previous eight years if all they were fed was the blathering inanity of "Fox and Fiends"...(oops, i meant 'friends') then they have just swung like good little Murdoch soldiers into the direction expected of them.

Rupert Murdoch...a non-American!!!...owns more media outlets than any other person in the World. He is the William Hearst of the 21st century.

Even on this Forum I see the influences of Faux 'news' affecting the ATS members' views. It's almost (almost) as if the 'Fixed Noise' talking points are disseminated and parroted here. Wild and incorrect allegations and interpretations that seem to stem directly from the pieholes of the likes of hannity, cavuto, beck and 'Papa Bear' "I won a Pulitzer Prize when I was on the TV show Inside Edition" bill o'really(??).

For all of you 'orally' fans, here's how that consummate 'professional' performs without HIS TelepromtR!!! Enjoy!
psst...it's the 'bleeped' version....

Originally posted by Lumpyloaf
I apologize if this is off track.

You can “demand” respect or you can “earn” respect. I can’t speak for all of the military. However, in my Special Ops community, most of our leaders knew (or very quickly realized) the only way we would respect them is if they earned it. Your rank/grade means squat to me. Your experiences, attitudes, and prior decisions/choices mean everything. Example: Four of us comprised my last team. All of us had prior experience and possessed examples of having made intelligent decisions in the past except our team leader (officer). Knowing this, our team sergeant explained to our team leader that he would need to take a back seat and learn all he can. For doing this, the team leader would be credited with all of our accomplishments, but we were not going to risk or lives so he could practice his “on the job training.” Our team leader learned a lot from our experiences and developed into a squared away leader. Not only did he learn invaluable lessons, he also earned our respect in the process.

As of yet, Obama has done nothing to earn my respect as a Commander in Chief. I don’t think Obama has done anything to earn the trust and respect of his soldiers. Looking at the situation from the outside, it doesn’t really seem as if Obama has even taken control of his military yet. If his responsibility to his soldiers is to make sure they get a paycheck, then sure, respect the guy. However, he is not responsible for some human resources office. His responsibilities affect life and death variables all across the world. I fail to see an established track record of positive accomplishments that would inspire my respect to Obama from the military side of the house. Until you prove that you deserve my respect, you’re going to have to sit on the bench. And if you try to demand my respect and try to play anyway, don’t expect me to be happy and not verbalize (at the very least) my discontent.

At the end of the day, Obama’s orders are still going to get followed. The results of these actions will shape the military’s view of him. The disgruntled chatter you hear from your colleagues will either begin to dissipate after positive steps forward have been made, or will get worse and possibly lead to further action (separation from the military, etc) if Obama takes negative steps backwards.

Moral of my story…respect the man (if he’s worth your respect), not the title or office…

And what was it about Bush that was so deserving of respect? Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush were pathetic. I agree Obama is an empty suit but let's not forget the last 8 years.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


I'll read what I wrote again, but I don't think I implied I respected Bush any more than Obama. I know several good soldiers that separated from the military under Bush's era due to the this very issue.

reply to post by weedwhacker


i will agree that a lot of military members buy everything fox news says, but let me provide a little insight. i am currently overseas in iraq and we have cable television (AFN, American Freedom Network). There is a movie channel, a sports channel, a news channel, etc....well can anyone guess what plays the majority of the time on the news channel? Yup, FOX news...its everywhere, and when you go to the dining facility for eat chow, it plays on the television there 24/7. I wont even watch it and i tell all my buddies not to pay attention to it either.