Military Disgust of President Obama

I take it back! I wish I had never posted this information. My point was missed and I am sorry I angered so many. You know, this country is in an awful mess and it's not one persons fault, it's many. It just bothers me to hear such talk out in the open in our Navy. Just dosen't feel right, I don't care who the president is. sorry

reply to post by PammyK


Don't be sorry.

Just post honestly and truthfully. It bothers you that they like Fox News and it bothers you that they like Bush compared to Obama.

You work in a bar. Some people go to bars to drink and gripe about their bosses to their friends, President Obama happens to be their boss. If this bothers you then you might want to find a new profession. Espeacially considering that in your Don't like section you put drunks.

Originally posted by PammyK
I am a vetran, and always thought that was highly disrespectful. This president was voted in and he is our Commander-In-Chief, Period. Maybe I am naive, but I think that kind of open talk in our military is dangerous. What do you guys think?

Well well well

I believe that the wording of your thread attracted a lot of people with "disgust of President Obama". So they don't think that it's direspectful at all, contrary to you.

By the way, I more inclined toward your opinion.

TheTilde

reply to post by dooper

You take away that teleprompter, and he's a babbling fool.

I came to this conclusion when I watched the news cover him ordering a hamburger (I want my 5mins of wasted life back) ... all I gotta say, is he ordered a medium rare burger from a fast food place.

Between Obama and Bush it would appear like 12 years minimum of being directed by children.

I am not surprised at all Obama is not liked among the military.. not many soldiers I know liked bush either, I am honestly just glad to know they serve us.. and not the government blindly. At the same time, the fact that there is a separation between the Government and the Army is concerning for us as a country as a whole.

Alot of the military take their oath to the Constitution very seriously so when they see it getting abused (TARP Socialism, double jeopardy 'hate crime' laws, etc., Right Wing Extremist DHS Memo coming out that could describe 80% of servicemens beliefs...) they are disgusted.

Myself I am glad that they are like this and am hopeful that if Obama tries and starts WW3 that there will be a 'Seven Days in May' scenario that will save the Republic and the Constitution as well!!!





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Originally posted by dooper


You take away that teleprompter, and he's a babbling fool.

Truer words have never been uttered. The man is a puppet.

reply to post by jd140
Just because you go to a bar dosen't mean you are a drunk. This is not just a "bar", this is a military bar on a military base. I don't hate Fox, I don't "love" Cnn, I find it strange a group could believe everything any media outlet puts out. Thats all

reply to post by Rockpuck


Just wanna make one thing clear -- the "hamburger" incident was NOT at a "fast-food place". I know the owner, he has a steak restaurant two doors down from the hamburger place, and another steak restaurant in Maryland. In fact, the owner of the "fast-food" joint, as some call it, has been lauded often for the quality of his food.

His main restaurant in Arlington is called 'Ray's the Steaks'. Google it.

Originally posted by PammyK
reply to post by jdub297

 

Actually, I work on a Seal Base and can say I have never heard a Seal say one bad word about him. Seals keep to themselves.

Thats because they are very professional. When they do start talking be worried. They will more than likely never say anything till they are betrayed, Then look out because someone will be in very big trouble.

Originally posted by PammyK
reply to post by jd140

 

Just because you go to a bar dosen't mean you are a drunk. This is not just a "bar", this is a military bar on a military base. I don't hate Fox, I don't "love" Cnn, I find it strange a group could believe everything any media outlet puts out. Thats all

A bar is a bar. I have been to many bars on Military posts all over the world. If you want I will give you a top 5 list of the nicer ones. They aren't any differant then one you would find off post. They aren't speacial.

Drunks frequent bars, thats why I threw in that comment.

I didn't say you hated fox, which you probably do, I said by your pasts posts and your profile you have shown that you definatly don't like them. I can post the ones I'm talking about if you want.

They watch what they want. Get over it, pour them a beer, let them complain about their boss,realize that its none of your buisness, kick them out at closing time and then go home.

The Navy is broke in case you didn't know.All PCS transfers have been put on hold.There is no money for maintenance or repairs of anything.

I am retired Navy and have a room mate who is active duty on shore duty. He talks about sitting around all day doing "training" because they can't buy parts to repair the planes they support.

The fiscal year does not begin until 1 Oct. Until them they are just in limbo.

Being senior enlisted I can see their frustration with the present administration.

reply to post by Gun Totin Gerbil

Is that what they think ? I don't think the world wants them as their saviors , they see these people as killers , murderers , and rapists . And rightly so .

Well, that is your opinion. Can you speak for the world and everyone in it? You cannot. Keep in mind, the only opinion of "the world" is what you see on TV and those with whom you keep company with. They are not as hated as you think, and neither are Americans. Politicians, yes....Americans, no. They don't consider themselves "saviors", but most of the time, they do save people while going after the bad guys....that's what they do.

Believe it or not, the grateful citizens of Iraq far outweigh the ones who don't want us there. The children virtually stampede the Americans every time they are around, wanting to be just like them....begging for pictures, hugs, high-fives and autographs. The Americans befriend them, give them gifts, and even play with them and teach them things. I know you don't want to believe that our guys ARE the good guys, but compared to the role models they have to look up, our guys are a darn nice upgrade.

I think it's irresponsible to categorize hundreds of thousands of military men and women based on the actions of a few throughout history and present times. Have you seen a soldier or a Marine stop and shed tears because they arrived too late to save a family from the thugs they were fighting? I have. These are overwhelmingly loving, caring, kindhearted people who talk to God every day in battle, and most days when they aren't. To call them murderers, rapists, and killers is nothing short of propaganda. Unless you KNOW them, have served WITH them, and experienced what they experience, you are doing nothing but spreading lies and hatred about people who don't deserve it.

No . you keep your american marines as your own american fictional saviors , don't involve the rest of us in your absurd fantasy. The americans ... internationally despised , and after 8 years most know it , yet miraculously we have an intrepid and resolute bunch of heroes that did not realise this , and are fighting on regardless for the world they did not know hated them , like the japanese ww2 soldier lost in the jungle still fighting the war a decade later .

Where in the world, literally, do you get your information from? Just because the haters have the biggest mouths, doesn't mean they are the majority. I'm not saying there aren't those who hate Americans and the American military, but it is NOT the entire world! There are countries and regions that have begged us for DECADES to come and help liberate them, but for political reasons, we have not. To say that the world hates us is incorrect at best.

I don't believe these people think they are the worlds hero's , who would think up a notion like that , you have been reading too many superman comics .

Again, they don't consider themselves the world's heroes, no more than police officers or firemen consider themselves heroes. But they do have a job fighting crime, and saving people. Our military knows that their job description involves defending those in the world who cannot defend themselves, or need help. Have you ever rescued an animal out of the road? Or saved someone from getting injured? It's no different, but do you walk around with a hero complex because you did, or are you glad you were in the right place at the right time to experience the act of helping? Don't get me wrong - not every ending is happy, but they know they are needed. But there is no crime in taking pride in what they do, as unappreciated as it may be at times. You will not deter me from the pride of my own service, nor those of whom I know who are still serving. They are good people, and the epitome of what a patriot really is.

Semper Fi

reply to post by BrainPower
Yes, Electoral college garbage, and Pam's threads are right on!

Morals, values, integrity.

reply to post by jd140
You are just a "nasty tempered" little thing, aren't you? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I am comfortable with my observations, I am a 50yr old woman who was a nurse and combat medic half my life and a bartender the other. Thank you very much! Good day to you.

reply to post by PammyK


I have been accused of being an A hole from time to time. Doesn't bother me at all.

I am glad you are 50. I am 29, I have been in the Army in some form of capacity for the better part of a decade. That doesn't have any merit on the topic. Just like your service and age doesn't either.

My problem with your thread is that I think that it bothers you that they liked Bush more then they like President Obama. I don't think you would be posting this "problem" you have if they had been complaining about Bush.

I think it bothers you that they get their news from Fox instead of a news group that you like.

But you go ahead and think of me in an unflattering manner if you wish. My wife loves me and I have friends who enjoy and appreciate my directness. That is all that matters to me.

I was under the impression those in the military are bound to respect and honor the POTUS regardless of who that happens to be.

Originally posted by PammyK
I have something to say that is driving me crazy! I work on a Navy Base and am very close to some of the retired and active duty (Chiefs E7-E9) members. I constantly hear most of them call our new president names and talk in a degrading manner about him. This is unsettling to me. I am a vetran, and always thought that was highly disrespectful. This president was voted in and he is our Commander-In-Chief, Period. Maybe I am naive, but I think that kind of open talk in our military is dangerous. What do you guys think?

Mixing comments of retired and active duty service members is bad, because retired service members can say practically anything they want (other than threats) about the President, but active duty service members can face a court-martial (fines and jail) for making the same disparaging statements.

"President Obama lied to us when he said he wouldn't need any on the job training." As a military retiree, I can make such a relatively mild statement disparaging the President, but someone on active duty would be in big trouble for the same statement.

If active duty personnel disparage the President, their commander should be notified. If their commander does not take action, then the commander's commander should be notified.

militarytimes.com...

UCMJ article 88 makes it a crime for OFFICERS to use contemptuous words against the president, the vice president, Congress, the secretary of defense, the secretary of a military department, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present.


Unless you want to use the "Catch all article" UCMJ article 134. Which can be used for anything from not tying your boots properly to getting drunk and riding a kangaroo down the street.

So the answer is that technically Officers are the only one not permitted to speak ill of the President.

Crisis adverted. The OP can go back to serving them beer without feeling dirty.