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Originally posted by Joseph Knecht
How could one possibly argue that the administration didn't potray the threat as urgent, immediate, or imminent? Use whatever rhetoric you wish.
Soldiers were standing guard Saturday outside the storage facility where the warhead was discovered Friday during routine operations to secure the airfield. A big wooden box next to the one containing the warhead had a 13-foot missile in it, though CNN has not been able to confirm a connection between the two.
That missile is but one of many troops have found at the base. Some underground bunkers the size of basketball courts were discovered piled high with cans of munitions, crates of missiles, and number of 1,000-pound bombs.
"It appears as though the airbase was evacuated hastily," Maj. Rob Gowan, a public affairs officer said. "A lot of indicators seem to say that the Iraqi forces that were here left very quickly."
In a separate incident, a man who said he is the base's former commander stepped forward with additional information on possible chemical weaponry.
The former Iraqi air force colonel came to Kirkuk Friday and told military officials he knew of 120 missiles within about an 18-mile radius of Kirkuk -- 24 of those carrying chemical munitions, according to an army intelligence posting at the airfield's military headquarters.
Originally posted by Esoterica
WND isn't the most trustworthy of sources, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. They're likely saving it until right before the election (say a month or two before). Then release the huge lump at once. It'd be a knockout punch on Kerry- after spending the entire campaign talking about how Bush has lied, Bush can show up proving everything he said was true. Kerry's campaign would literally crumble.
In theory, anyway
Originally posted by Muaddib
Colonel....what, you don't want information to come out unless it fits your agenda?
Heelstone....did you even read your own links?
This is part of what it said in one link "you posted".
Soldiers were standing guard Saturday outside the storage facility where the warhead was discovered Friday during routine operations to secure the airfield. (snipped)
That missile is but one of many troops have found at the base. (snipped)
(snipped)
Excerpted from.
www.cnn.com...
(snipped)
Heelstone, you did not debunk anything.
[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Muaddib]
And, Republicans are not people to refer to for war advice; relatively few of them ever serving in war.
Originally posted by Mikecorbeil
..but does not prove how long they've been there, or existed.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Colonel....what, you don't want information to come out unless it fits your agenda?
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by Mikecorbeil
..but does not prove how long they've been there, or existed.
Once again, then why did Saddam kept trying to buy time and did not let the weapons inspectors in many factories until a certain time, a month or two later, when he saw fit that they could go and investigate those sites. What was he trying to hide?
Also, are you going to tell me that the Iranian and Iraqi's new agencies have not lied before, or that they are not biased?
Show me a post by these news agencies, you are willing to believe so blindly, blaming their government for any attrocities they have committed, or say anything bad, even allegations, about their governments.
[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by thesaneone
I guess we should of left saddam alone, and when
he released his WMD on america, or american targets outside of the US, then all of you unamerican j/o could support him some more and blame bush for something else.
In the early 1990s, UN inspectors told the US Senate committee on banking, housing and urban affairs � which oversees American export policy � that they had �identified many US-manufactured items exported pursuant of licences issued by the US department of commerce that were used to further Iraq�s chemical and nuclear weapons development and missile delivery system development programmes�.
According to Niman, "The missing pages implicated twenty-four U.S.-based corporations and the successive Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. administration in connection with the illegal supplying of Saddam Hussein government with myriad weapons of mass destruction and the training to use them." Groups documented in the original report that were supporting Iraq's weapons programs prior to Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait included:
Kay reported in October that his team found "dozens of WMD-related program activities" that Iraq was required to reveal to U.N. inspectors but did not. However, he said he found no actual WMDs.
Appearing on Meet the Press, Powell acknowledged--finally!--that he and the Bush administration misled the nation about the WMD threat posed by Iraq before the war. Specifically, he said that he was wrong when he appeared before the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003, and alleged that Iraq had developed mobile laboratories to produce biological weapons. That was one of the more dramatic claims he and the administration used to justify the invasion of Iraq. (Remember the drawings he displayed.) Yet Powell said on MTP, "it turned our that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and in some cases, deliberately misleading." Powell did not spell it out, but the main source for this claim was an engineer linked to the Iraqi National Congress, the exile group led by Ahmed Chalabi, who is now part of the Iraqi Governing Council.
The admission by the CIA�s top weapons adviser in Iraq, David Kay, that the country possessed no stockpiles of so-called weapons of mass destruction (WMD) nor related production facilities is a devastating refutation of the lies used by the Bush administration to justify its illegal invasion and occupation.
The head of the Iraq Survey Group stated that the group has continued looking for weapons of mass destruction. He also stated that he did not believe that the group has found enough evidence and information to make a final statement with confidence on Iraq's wmd programmes and to determine with confidence the truth of their existence. But they also present information and pictures on what they have found.
Before 9-11
24 Feb 2001
In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
7 Aug 2001
President George W Bush declares: "He's been a menace forever, and we will do -- he needs to open his country up for inspection, so we can see whether or not he's developing weapons of mass destruction."
After 9-11
Nov 2001
Pentagon official Richard Perle: "He has weapons of mass destruction. The lesser risk is in pre-emption. We've got to stop wishing away the problem."
26 Aug 2002
Vice President Dick Cheney declares: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
7 Oct 2002
During a speech in Cincinnati, President George W Bush declares: "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
2 Dec 2002
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."
9 Jan 2003
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "We know for a fact there are weapons there."
19 Mar 2003
During an address to the nation, President George W Bush declares: "The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
During the War
10 Apr 2003
In a message to the Iraqi people, President George W Bush declares: "The goals of our coalition are clear and limited. We will end a brutal regime, whose aggression and weapons of mass destruction make it a unique threat to the world."
10 Apr 2003
In a message to the Iraqi people, British Prime Minister Tony Blair declares: "We did not want this war. But in refusing to give up his weapons of mass destruction, Saddam gave us no choice but to act."
10 Apr 2003
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."
24 Apr 2003
President George W Bush declares: "We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."
29 Apr 2003
In Moscow, British Prime Minister Tony Blair wonders openly: "Where is Saddam? Where are those arsenals of weapons of mass destruction, if they indeed were in existence? We don't know whether perhaps Saddam is still hiding somewhere underground in a bunker, sitting on cases containing weapons of mass destruction, and is preparing for blowing the whole thing up, bringing down with him the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. We simply do not know."
21 Jan 2004
During his State of the Union speech, President Bush gingerly avoids the topic of whether WMDs actually exist in Iraq by declaring: "We are seeking all the facts. Already the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations. Had we failed to act, the dictator's weapons of mass destruction programs would continue to this day."
23 Jan 2004
In an interview with Reuters, former weapons inspector David Kay is asked about the WMDs. He opines: "I don't think they existed. I think there were stockpiles at the end of the first Gulf War and those were a combination of U.N. inspectors and unilateral Iraqi action got rid of them. I think the best evidence is that they did not resume large-scale production, and that's what we're really talking about, is large stockpiles, not the small. Large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the period after '95."
27 Jan 2004
Regarding the possibility that Saddam might never have had any appreciable WMDs, President Bush puts on the tap shoes: "First of all, I think it's very important for us to let the Iraq Survey Group do its work so we can find out the facts and compare the facts to what was thought."
16 May 2004
Secretary of State Colin Powell tells Meet the Press: "When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to me. We studied it carefully; we looked at the sourcing in the case of the mobile trucks and trains. There was multiple sourcing for that. Unfortunately, that multiple sourcing over time has turned out to be not accurate. And so I'm deeply disappointed... it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am disappointed and I regret it."
"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the 'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."
This report was written in accordance with Pentagon ground rules allowing so-called embedded reporting, in which journalists join deployed troops.
Originally posted by mOjOm
27 Jan 2004
Regarding the possibility that Saddam might never have had any appreciable WMDs, President Bush puts on the tap shoes: "First of all, I think it's very important for us to let the Iraq Survey Group do its work so
we can find out the facts and compare the facts to what was thought."