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reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 11:45 AM by heelstone
Originally posted by Seekerof
"Nothing beens found"?
Suspected chemical warhead found in Kirkuk
You've tried this link multiple times in the past, Seekerof, and I even debunked this one months ago. Link below.

www.cnn.com...

U.S. tests for possible chemical weapons
NPR said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were “ready to fire."

Marines reportedly find cyanide, mustard agents in Euphrates


You must be refering to "sufficient quantities" to appease, maybe?
"Nothing" is an absolute and that "absolute" is bogus.


seekerof
Neither of these other two claims have had any substantiating follow up to determine if they were real. They're bogus propoganda until proven otherwise and they've had months to prove them real.

[Edited on 28-4-2004 by heelstone]


reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 12:35 PM by Seekerof
Semantics my arse....dude, even the French said that 1441 was enough justification for the US to take out Saddam. You need me to find that? I also quoted that from a previous past article.


Here you go:
Bush and Blair made secret pact for Iraq war.
At a lunch in the White House on January 13 last year, Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, an adviser to the president, Jacques Chirac, and Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador in Washington, put the deal to Condoleezza Rice, the US national security adviser.

In an effort to avoid a bitter US-French row, the French officials suggested that if the US was intent on war, it should not seek the second resolution....

Instead, the two said that the first resolution on Iraq, 1441, passed the previous year, provided enough legal cover for war and that France would keep quiet if the US went to war on that basis.

The deal would suit the French by maintaining its "good cop" status in the Arab world and safeguarding Franco-US relations.

France 'sought secret UN deal' in bid to avert row

Damn right, word play is the name of the game, and has been the name of the game for politicians and world leaders for hundreds if not thousands of years.


seekerof

[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Seekerof]


reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 12:57 PM by earthtone
"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
• White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03


"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
• President Bush, 7/17/03


Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03


"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03


"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
• President Bush 4/24/03


"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03


"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
• President Bush, 10/28/02



"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
• President Bush, 10/2/02


"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
• President Bush, 9/26/02


"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02


"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02


"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
• Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02

www.americanprogress.org...

related
Are Bush and Blair Breaking the Law? Times article
www.globalpolicy.org...

Bush and Blair Lied About WMDs in Iraq

"Blair even said that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that could be used within 45 minutes of a military order. "
Wouldn't that be classed as an imminent threat?

www.laboreducator.org...




[Edited on 4/28/2004 by earthtone]


reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 01:02 PM by Seekerof
Let me help you clarify your stance there earthtone:
The Imminence Myth
What the Bush administration really said about the threat from Iraq.


And here, even from those who seriously question this war:
Sorting out the "imminent threat" debate
....debate has raged over the phrase "imminent threat." Many liberal critics have asserted that a central claim in President Bush's case for war in Iraq was that Iraq posed an "imminent threat." They argue that it's now clear that no such threat existed, and thus the President's argument has been revealed as deceptive or illegitimate. Conservatives retort that Bush never actually used the phrase and in fact specifically used language indicating that the threat was not imminent on several occasions.

As a factual matter, conservatives are largely correct and liberal critics and journalists are guilty of cheap shots or lazy reporting. However, the evidence is not completely clear and both sides are guilty of distorting this complex situation for political gain. Specifically, while there's some evidence indicating the Bush administration did portray Iraq as an imminent threat, there's much more that it did not. Those attempting to assert that the White House called Iraq an imminent threat are ignoring significant information to the contrary. Similarly, those who say the Bush administration never used the phrase or implied as much are ignoring important, though isolated, evidence.




seekerof
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