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'Rambo' gunman 'ready to die' in New Zealand, Napier siege

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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reply to post by grantbeed
 


I know one member of the highest SAS - he lives in Fiji, so we should be a bit worried.




posted on May, 8 2009 @ 05:11 AM
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reply to post by Chadwickus
 


According to the latest 10 o'clock news on the radio, police have rejected claims that the gunman is dead. Bottom line is, nobody knows what the state of play is at the moment, and I think this is for good reason - apparently he may have access to radio reports ..and there seems to be a total clampdown on information from the media at the moment.

It sounds like they are trying to keep this quiet, all part of the game to smoke this cretin out. Unfortunately, it is illegal for the cops to just charge in and take him out.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by tristar
Who ever the police chief was, he should have been bitch slapped in public, why on earth would you allow a raid with police being unarmed....


Unlike the land of the free most people here do no have guns or SS style police raids. They often will actually knock at the law and treat you like a human being, instead of generating carpentry bills while you get someone in to repair the door.

Heard a rumour from a flatmate that he may have had some rather high powered hunting rifles capable of shooting a fairly long way, prob something like a 7.62 tigr dragunov SVD etc etc. AOS don't really have many long range guns, most are packing m4a1. SAS has steyr augs, m16s, mp5s and usual LMGs plus obviously some rather juicy stuff which I don't know about. I have one of their grenade
launcher cartidges on my shelf though


juni0r.orconhosting.net.nz...
More info there.

As said earlier supposedly house was rigged with explosives. LAV 25s are not a tank but an APC - could easily waltz right up to the house.. and possibly get blown up.

So police decided to wait it out, cut water/power etc and see what happens. At the moment the news is still breaking so I'll try keep you up to date when I know anything else new.


Originally posted by RE2505
reply to post by milesp
 


A drug that can induce psychosis and or schizophrenia is far from harmless. Get a grip.

*edit* Having posted this I see that you edited your post to remove the term harmless. It seems you have got a grip after all.

[edit on 8-5-2009 by RE2505]



It's a lot less harmless and more beneficial to most mentally stable people than almost anything that big pharma makes.

[edit on 8/5/09 by GhostR1der]



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 05:51 AM
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No silly,

Only if the taser killed him, permanently injured him, or did some other messed up crap resulting in damages far in excess ..

People dont whine about tasers period, just cops tasering unarmed kids at public events, ya know, that breed of .. sadistic macho cop mentality. No body would've made a thread about misuse of a taser in this situation, had one been used at all.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:26 AM
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Umm our crack SAS is reserved for Terrorist incidents not presumable mentally disturbed former territorial holed up in a house .


reply to post by Azador
 


Are you sure that your not confusing the Special Tactics Group with the SAS ?



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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It seems they didn't expect a volatile situation but honestly it doesn't take much to carry a handgun or taser, it could have saved Senior Constable Len Snee's life.
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even if they had guns wouldn't help, when they entred the house he started shooting.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:52 AM
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You're right, seems he's still alive, they have managed to get Snee's body though, I think I was right when I said they'd used to armoured vehicle as cover.

Anyway, here's the latest from nzherald:


Police have retrieved the body of slain police officer Senior Constable Len Snee but are distancing themselves from reports that gunman Jan Molenaar has killed himself.

Armed police entered the Molenaar's property at Chaucer Rd on Napier hill just after 5pm.

TV3 was reporting that Molenaar may have died from a self-inflicted wound. However, police told the Herald this evening that the "situation is unchanged" and TV3 said it had been told the earlier reports were incorrect.


www.nzherald.co.nz...

As Azador said, it seems they're just gonna wait it out.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:52 AM
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All they need to do is put a miniskirt and some lipstick on a sheep and he'll surrender.




posted on May, 8 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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reply to post by Burginthorn
 


You are a so-called writer - you are totally insensitive, so how can you be a writer?



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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reply to post by xpert11
 


Get real. Don't tell me # like that.

Of course they are there for that.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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reply to post by spellbound
 


Mate I'm an Aussie, and that there above is an age old joke between kiwi's and aussies.

Just trying to chuck in a bit of humor, that's all. No need to get your knickers in a twist.

If the OP requests its removal I'd more than happy to oblige.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by tristar
Who ever the police chief was, he should have been bitch slapped in public, why on earth would you allow a raid with police being unarmed....


They don't call that a raid, they call that a slaughter house.

Seriously, how do you go and do a drug bust without weapons? That is like getting involved in a high speed car chase without gas.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Although he looks like the kind of bonehead that would deeply annoy me is I'd get to meet him, this is a case of an individual struggling against an oppressive force. I kinda like how things have turned in his favor, although that will not be for long, unless his neighbors get to support him and peacefully solve the conflict at the same time.

And I don't care if these officers didn't had guns, it was just part of their tactic of pacification. They should either assume their violent position or leave people alone.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Echtelion
Although he looks like the kind of bonehead that would deeply annoy me is I'd get to meet him, this is a case of an individual struggling against an oppressive force. I kinda like how things have turned in his favor, although that will not be for long, unless his neighbors get to support him and peacefully solve the conflict at the same time.



Say what?

How has this turned in his favour?

He murdered a cop and injured three other people over what?
A suspected drug stash?



And I don't care if these officers didn't had guns, it was just part of their tactic of pacification. They should either assume their violent position or leave people alone.


Tactic of pacification? I don't quite get what you mean here?



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Don't forget the two critically ill officers, the neighbour who also got shot and a police dog is also dead.


Very, very sad.


Where did you get your info?

All news sites are saying the dog was rescued and is unharmed.


Napier police dog Fi is alive and well.

Senior Constable Grant Diver's drug dog, a five-year-old Alsatian, was thought to have been killed or badly hurt in the shooting at on the city's "hill" yesterday.

But police reported tonight the animal was rescued from the back of a police vehicle at the gunman's property in Chaucer Rd, tonight.

Specialist staff were able to reach the dog van shortly before 10.30pm and found "a very much alive" Fi, Superintendent Russell Gibson said in a statement.

Mr Gibson said Fi didn't appear to be hurt, but was off to a vet tonight for a check-up.

No other details were immediately available.

Meanwhile, police said Mr Diver, shot yesterday, is an improving condition in hospital

He is now classified as "serious but stable" and has been moved from intensive care into a medical ward at Hawke's Bay Hospital.

- NZPA

www.nzherald.co.nz...
tvnz.co.nz...


[edit on 8/5/09 by dmorgan]



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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From the original news source I linked to:


A police dog was also shot dead, with two other officers seriously wounded and in hospital.

www.news.com.au...

There seems to be a lot of confusion and media speculation at the moment.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by milesp
And the nightmare that is the global drug war rides on.

Legalize it.


I totally agree. This may be a nut but why in the world would you raid someones home over a plant given to us by God?

Legalize it.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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It seems they didn't expect a volatile situation but honestly it doesn't take much to carry a handgun or taser, it could have saved Senior Constable Len Snee's life.


That's our stupid bloody policies for you. There have been numerous cop deaths just this year, it's just insane. If they carried guns, they wouldn't be getting shot so much.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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NEWS FLASH


Police last night believed the Napier gunman to be dead, 32 hours after the siege at his house began.

The Weekend Herald understands officers were planning to approach the house at first light today.

They would not move at night because of fears - based on what a friend of gunman Jan Molenaar told them - that the house could be booby trapped.

Arthur Hyde told the Weekend Herald police should not even consider going inside yet as Molenaar was more than capable of wiring the house with explosives.

But police were able last night to recover the body of their fallen comrade, Senior Constable Len Snee, from where it lay in the garden of Molenaar's property.

It had been there for almost a day and a half, since Molenaar shot Mr Snee and three other people on Thursday morning.

Police made the recovery using tank-like Army light armoured vehicles and under a hail of automatic gunfire.

Source: NZ Herald.

There is more in the article to read as well. It mentions:


Pauline Elsworth, whose daughter-in-law, Jo Elsworth, is a longtime Molenaar family friend, said the gunman was out walking his dog on Thursday morning and came home to find police raiding his house.

"That was when he lost it," she said.


[edit on 8-5-2009 by Welfhard]



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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i think all the comments about new zealands one "tank" (which is actually an LAV and not a tank), and their bazooka jokes are freakin hilarious!!



now's probably the time to invade NZ as their only tank is now on other business........

If the army had a tank to lend, didn't they have a bazooka?

Tom Murray of sydney, 'I'm suprised New Zealand has a Tank!!': They don'it - news limited journalists are just that ignorant and/or wanted the headline. The New Zealand Light Armoured Vehicle (NZLAV) is not a tank. NZ does not have any tanks, and there is a whole world of crap being said about the Australian Defence Forces for buying 59 'actual' tanks.

I'm suprised New Zealand has a Tank!!

New Zealand have no tanks. LAV only. What else is inaccurate in this reporting that isn't 100%. (Had to get it in) Send the Flight of the Concords in. NZs 2nd most popular comedy folk duo should be able to sort it out. Or their manager could.


Hey, the sheep thing isn't that easy... you need to put lipstick on it... and a nice set of pearls!


Not Impressed of Sydney. No, the army lent their last bazooka to Damir Dokic.



i thought about moving there with my family a few times... still think it would be fun.


my thoughts are with the families of those affected though. i can laugh at jokes too.

doing some digging on this damir dokic guy that they referenced in the comments...

he tried to kidnap his daughter so she could play olympics with serbia instead of australia, now that shes back in australia... he's a little angry


"I have thought about dropping a nuclear bomb on Sydney since Jelena lost in the first round this week, for which Australia is to blame. "I have even thought about killing an Australian in revenge, but I wouldn't gain anything from it." Damir has sought help from Serbian politicians, including an accused war criminal, in kidnapping Jelena. "Only two were ready to help," Damir said. "One of them however, Vojislav Seselj, is waiting to be tried at the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague." Damir said it was Australia, rather than him, that was mentally suspect. "Australia is a spoiled nation," Damir said. "They can expect my revenge. "I'm not crazy when I say this, they are the crazy ones who give you hot sausages before the match when it's 40 degrees celsius outside."


again sorry for the derail, but this is too funny. the last sentence is zomg funny

[edit on 5/8/2009 by mahtoosacks]



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