Mysterious U.S. Swine Flu Probe Widens as Mexico Finds Swine Flu *updated*

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Possible source of mutation?

This may have been posted somewhere before...but I thought it should be seen by everyone.

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus

The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.
“At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.
“But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.”
The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses

www.torontosun.com...

This section of the article is illuminating!

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

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Colombia, Bogotá: Soccer match involving two Mexican soccer teams on 6 May canceled due to Influenza A (H1N1). #swineflu #H1N11 minute ago from web

Colombia: Colombian Government Fixes Price of Facemasks to 180 pesos, Violators to be Fined, Shut Down, or Imprisoned. #swineflu #H1N13 minutes ago from web

US, Nebraska: Public schools in Madison county to be closed. #swineflu #H1N13 minutes ago from web

US, Nebraska: State officials identify three new probable cases of influenza A (H1N1) in Lee, Madison, and Sarpy counties. #swineflu#H1N1less than 20 seconds ago from web

Colombia: Students Presenting Symptoms of Influenza A (H1N1) Will Not be Allowed to Attend Class, Effective Beginning 4 May. #swineflu #H1N12 minutes ago from web

Colombia: Community Transmission Considered Possible for Suspected Cases of Influenza A (H1N1) in Colombia. #swineflu #H1N13 minutes ago from web

US, Virginia: Governor indicates only confirmed influenza A (H1N1) cases will be announced: Two total from Chesterfield and Northern Neck.4 minutes ago from web

Colombia: 26 Suspected Influenza A (H1N1) Cases Reported, Including Four Cases Currently Hospitalized. #swineflu #H1N16 minutes ago from web

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reply to post by burntheships


Any Bets one of the workers took a vacation to mexico in the past few months? Ended up infecting a few people some of which stayed in their country, others that came to the U.S.

Makes sence to me. We have it brough back to life, tamperd with and mixed and a way to spread it.

May be reaching at straw's But very possible.

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Well the vacation angle is a real possibility...also that the little town had a vaccination event. That is what I am going to look up right now...somewhere in the backlog of info I remember seeing that!

As many know on this thread, always "back-track" between my newest and last post...it's moving fast again and don't want anyone to miss anything important...

China, Guangzhou City: Influenza A (H1N1) ruled out in 53 students at a local school; facemasks sold out at some pharmacies. #swineflu #H1N11 minute ago from web

Hong Kong: Hotel guests where confirmed influenza A (H1N1) cases stayed refuse to return to the establishment. #swineflu #H1N1less than a minute ago from web

Hong Kong: Three contacts of influenza A (H1N1) confirmed cases isolated at hospital; eight fellow hotel guests also isolated. #swineflu2 minutes ago from web

UK, England, Bristol: 11-Year-Old Student Confirmed as 11th Influenza A (H1N1) Case in the United Kingdom #swineflu5 minutes ago from web

(per infinite)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Event ID: MEX-20090425-2

2009-04-25 05:29:00
Country:Mexico
State: The Federal District
County:
Location: Mexico City

Dead: 178
Infected (Susp.): 13339
Infected (Conf.): 1311
Quaranten: 0
Status: Confirmed

'Worst Case' Scenario for Flu Estimated
news.yahoo.com...
2 hrs 40 mins ago

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My SO was at the hospital a little while ago, and the facility is running out of flu testing kits. And this is just a "mild influenza." The pharmacies are out of Tamiflu (even though our county has no official case of H1N1), and the CDC has asked physicians to NOT prescribe it.

Just speculating....but....
could this bug be Phase I? H1N1/Swine has, so far, only produced mild symptoms (outside of Mexico). But it is *highly contagious*. It's not so virulent that it kills the host. Avian H5N1 is virulent but not so communicable.
Enter Phase II. Mix H1N1, which could happen when the bug sweeps through the Southern Hemisphere, with Avian H5N1, and you have a Superflu.
And Phase III begins.
Too far fetched?

New Alberta swine flu case linked to Tennessee
www.cbc.ca...

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@ Hx3_1963 Your Avatar?

Read this:

There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death.

There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

www.naturalnews.com...




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reply to post by burntheships
Yep...was looking at that last night, but, had thought it was already posted...good re-post!

Talk about a bad idea...stories posted right on top of each other...
cbs2.com...

Thousands Expected To Take Part In May Day Marches
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Camp Pendleton Reports 2 Confirmed Swine Flu Cases
cbs2.com...

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That is a very real possobility, not that i know a lot about the science of viruses but it is mixed, and right now its mild, it has the genes for the more deadly stuff already in it. I could see it happening. Once its spread and stays in a host for a while after the initial round, then if there is any left it mutates into a much worse version.

Edit to add this

Mexico: Health Minister Claims Mexico is “Entering a Period of Stabilization” #swineflu #H1N1
less than a minute ago from web

Hmmm the lull before the storm?

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Morocco: Influenza A (H1N1) Ruled Out In a Passenger Arriving At Rabat-Salé Airport #swineflu #H1N1less than a minute ago from web

I don't know how up to date this is...original post date is 27th...see comments...

Submit Photos, Video or Personal Accounts of the Swine Flu Crisis
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You are very correct......I was told by a high ranking CDC scientist that this will mutate and there will be several waves......

Hmmm...check this out...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

CDC: Flu Outbreak Is Becoming "More Serious"
www.cbsnews.com...
May 1, 2009 1:43 AM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's top flu specialist has privately informed health care officials that the H1N1 virus is becoming a more serious threat, CBSNews.com has learned.

"We're now certainly starting to pick up more serious cases," Dr. Joe Bresee, chief of CDC's epidemiology and prevention branch of the influenza division, told health care providers on Thursday.

Bresee said on a private conference call that the situation is now "changing a bit," adding that H1N1's incubation period is between one and four days, and its infectious period is similar to seasonal flu at two to seven days.

More at Link...

H1N1 Infections Near 150 In U.S.
Virus Confirmed In 19 States As Officials Pledge To Produce Vaccine By Fall At Earliest
www.cbsnews.com...

H1N1 Looms Over Immigration Rallies
Calls For Reform Met With Accusations Illegal Immigrants Are Spreading Virus; Migrant Workers Cautioned About Disease
www.cbsnews.com...

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Pan American Health Organizaton

05-01-2009

EOC Situation Report #7
Influenza A/H1N1 In the Americas
(Mexico, the United States, Canada)

Bulletin

All countries should immediately activate their pandemic preparedness plans, and start implementing the elements designed for phase 5.
Countries should remain on high alert for unusual outbreaks of influenza-like illness and severe pneumonia.

sharing.govdelivery.com...

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Yep...and it's not level 6...it is...just not for the sheeple...

A new thread with "first hand" flu stuff ???
Post "Insider" Stories, Witness Info & Strange Goings on Here
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BOSTON (AP) - A flight from Germany to Washington has been diverted to Boston because a passenger complained of flu-like symptoms.2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Reuters: French health minister says it has found two confirmed cases of swine flu, first in the country.3 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Brazil, Paraíba: Two Suspected Influenza A (H1N1) Cases Reported in João Pessoa. #swineflu #H1N11 minute ago from web

US, Massachusetts: Northeastern University bans handshaking at the upcoming commencement ceremony as precaution against influenza.#swineflu4 minutes ago from web

Hong Kong seals off hotel where H1N1 flu found snurl.com... #H1N1 #swineflu2 minutes ago from twhirl

FLASH:France has two infected with new flu virus, first confirmed cases -Health minister snurl.com... #H1N1 #swineflu2 minutes ago from twhirl

Flu pandemic could overload U.S. health system
www.reuters.com...

Hmmm...
US health officials say new swine flu virus lacks traits found in deadly 1918 flu strain, which killed up to 100 million people, AP reports.5 minutes ago from web

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Now that WHO has changed the chart, there basically is hardly any difference in people's minds between a 5 and 6, as the visual is given together in one block. Before they were seperated. Probably why they did that...make it shady, cause confusion, and not so many can figure it out.

One reason there may be a short delay in the 5 to 6 level...so many tests are not yet completed.



This may have been posted today, I dont recall....

As the world faces a potential pandemic, swamped labs are not testing all possible cases. Getting an exact tally has taken a back seat to finding new outbreak hot spots or ways to limits its spread, health officials said.

"The specimens are coming in faster than they can possibly be tested," said Dr. Jeffrey P. Davis, state epidemiologist in Wisconsin, where a lab helped spot the nation's first known case, in a 10-year-old boy from San Diego.

apnews.myway.com...

Looks like its not a question of "if" we bug out but more a question of "when".

More serious cases may mean that its started to mutate.

I dont know about most but stuck in town with a few hundred thousand sick people is not the place i want to be, even if i am locked in my house.
I'd rather load the camper and go in the mountians and camp for a while and ride it out.

"The specimens are coming in faster than they can possibly be tested," said Dr. Jeffrey P. Davis, state epidemiologist in Wisconsin, where a lab helped spot the nation's first known case, in a 10-year-old boy from San Diego.

This tells me that their number system is WAY off. and we are not being told the real story. Its been over a week since this was reported, and they are coming in faster than can be tested. Not a good sign.


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US, Massachusetts: Harvard Cancels Classes and Closes Dental Clinic After a Probable Case of Influenza A (H1N1) is Identified in a Student5 minutes ago from web

Singapore: Three Additional Cases Being Tested for Influenza A (H1N1); Alert Level Raised to "Orange" #swineflu #H1N1less than 20 seconds ago from web

US, Massachusetts: All passengers on flight have been isolated while health officials investigate. #swineflu #H1N11 minute ago from web

US, Massachusetts: Flight from Munich to Dulles, Virginia is diverted to Boston due to passenger complaining of influenza-like illness.2 minutes ago from web

Health Department Updates Flu Status; Survey Reveals that 1 in 3 St. Francis Prep Students Had Flu-Like Symptoms2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Mexico, Michoacán: Four Suspected Fatal Influenza A (H1N1) Cases and Nine Suspected Cases; No Confirmed Cases to Date. #swineflu #H1N13 minutes ago from web

Hmmm...
WHO Cautions Public on Alarmist Flu Predictions
www.washingtonpost.com...

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I have to say this and know it is going to sound very "far out" but let me preface by saying ever since a certain person in my life died I have had odd "signs" communicating their presence and guidance to me ok. REALLY.

Now I was reading your post and you were saying much the same as we here have been thinking in our house but were not totally sure about as so much is speculation at this point when all of a sudden this loud whirring noise starts up in my kitchen , some 15 feet from this room I'm in. I go into the kitchen and recognize it is a fan built into the skirting of our kitchen that is making the noise, so I bend down to check it out and it is in the "on" position which has to be manually pressed in order to turn on. It turned itself on "all by itself" which has never happened ever before !!

I didn't knock it accidentally either - if it is knocked by the hoover for example you hear the loud noise start up immediately and I was sat in here a full 5 minutes after going out there to make a cup of tea before the noise began.

What WEIRD timing, it truly felt like a sign, as fruity as that might sound. I mean a sign that you are along the correct lines of thinking.......

Sorry, I'm a bit spooked here.

Great...the world is going to hell and the news has dancing parrot stories...

Canada, British Columbia: Four new influenza A (H1N1) cases confirmed; three are community acquired infections. #swineflu2 minutes ago from web

Italy, Bologna: Two Suspected Influenza A (H1N1) cases test negative #swineflu3 minutes ago from web

Mexico, Mexico City: Influenza A (H1N1) Restrictions Said to Spur Riot at Reclusorio Norte Prison. #swineflu #H1N1half a minute ago from web

Mexico, Guanajuato: 14 Suspected Cases of Influenza A (H1N1) Reported; No confirmed cases in State. #swineflu #H1N1less than a minute ago from web

El Salvador: Three Suspected Cases of Influenza A (H1N1) Nationwide.#swineflu #H1N12 minutes ago from web

US, California: Health officials report ten confirmed influenza A (H1N1) cases in San Diego county #swineflu2 minutes ago from web

England, London: Influenza A (H1N1) Infected Australian Man and Two Roommates Under Quarantine; 11 Cases Confirmed in the UK #swineflu2 minutes ago from web

US, Wisconsin: Three new probable cases of influenza A (H1N1) identified in Waukesha and Oconomowoc; Oconomowoc school district closedless than a minute ago from web

Iowa identifies third probable swine flu case
qctimes.com...

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