Post "Insider" Stories, Witness Info & Strange Goings on Here

The past week or so there have been numerous "insider" stories, commentary and testimonies apparantly contradicting official figures in relation to swine flu infection rates and the death toll. There have also been stories coming in from outside of Mexico about strange goings on in hospitals, wards filled with people suffering swine flu, talk of unreported deaths in the USA and so forth. These stories are appearing sporadically in numerous threads so I thought it might be a good idea to collect them all in one place and add new ones as they come in.

If anyone here - a Dr, Nurse, Soldier, virologist etc has any info please post. Likewise if you have a friend or relative in one of these or similar professions who has spoken to you about unreported cases, deaths, cover-ups , strange goings on etc. please post your info in this thread and provide dates where possible and locations. Include tales of "important" figures, departments, personnel etc who have begun doing huge shopping runs for supplies or anything else you can think of as being suspicious or suggestive of someone knowing something the majority do not.

I'll start off this thread with some testimony from a Mexican . I can't vouch for his honesty but he sounds genuine enough to me. He posted the commentary in response to an article about that Texas Dr who spoke out . The link below will take you the relevant page & you'll need to scroll down a fair way past the article to read his post and a few others he made after the following one.

Here's The Link

HERE IS ONE OF HIS POSTS :Mexico Witness Says:

April 30th, 2009 at 7:28 am
What follows is a series of postings I have made yesterday on a newspaper forum. I am dead serious and truthful in these postings. I am from Mexico and I am trying to warn people around the globe to this pandemic. I post these in the hope its readers can prepare and understand what is really going on. We are not being told the truth about the severity of this pandemic. Yet we can decipher the govt’s actions through common sense. Stay safe everyone. This is going to get nasty….

Has anyone actually seen an interview with a person once infected but since recovered? Nobody in Mexico has, and we have yet to see their families either. In Mexico, we have learned to add a zero at the end of government figures because the govt drops it. In the US, I suspect, ignorance is being kept high to avoid mass panic and chaos. Remember, in times of national emergency, like nine one one, mass media becomes a vessel of government and does and says exactly what government wants. This is an unwritten rule. The truth is that this pandemic is the Big One scientists have been expecting. When the govt of Mex. shuts down Catholic Sunday Mass and Churches in a grossly religious culture, you know there is a major, major problem. Whether the bug is engineered or not, it is real. And it is here.

The Mexican government is manipulating the numbers in a very, very big way. 2000 infected and 150 dead? Bullcrap. What a joke. I am from Mexico and the entire country is infected, more and more each day. American, Brit, Canadian tourists went to resorts, not Mexico City, and are returning infected. What does that tell you? Deaths in Mexico are now in most states.

Mexico City and its surrounding areas have 25 million people. Infections and deaths are very high. Doctors are protesting, many not showing up at hospitals b/c masks, medication are not working. The city is on the verge of panic more each passing day. We can see it devolve, the people are on the brink. Government measures say one thing, media filters report only few deaths. Actions speak louder than words.

Doctors outside the government filters say there are hundreds dead or dying and the anti-virals are not working. They are hiding the dead, changing the death certificates to alter the cause of death. The infected are too numerous to count. Draconian measures have been enacted, the entire city is pretty much closed. The government can quarantine anyone, can enter any and all homes, can close roads and cities.

All schools from the entire country are closed. What does that tell you? That the entire city and country stops for only 2000 infected? Yeah, right. Governments are lying and keeping the figures purposefully low to contain panic and chaos. The same is being done, and will be done in the US.

The truth is the Mexican people are dying in large numbers, with many infections, and a death rate of over 6 percent. The Spanish flu had a death rate of 2 percent. You can do the calculations. What we are seeing in Mexico will soon be in the US. One or two weeks. Be prepared, a worldwide pandemic is in its infancy. Take care."

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I will scout around for some more "insider" tales later and hope we can make this thread a collaberative effort to gather similar "witness" testimony to get a better idea of what's going on.

Could I respectfully ask for people not to post "vague" things like increase of ambulance activity, roads cordoned off , the neighbour next door doing night time supermarket runs etc , cheers.




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Good Idea Cosmic

On Paus4Thought's thread Swine Flu Death Cert Conspiracy he heard something on the BBC Worldservice radio

It was reported on the BBC World Service this morning (no less) that at least some doctors in Mexico have been told not to write 'swine flu' or the equivalent on death certificates.

Respiratory failure is what they've been recording.

Think what that does to the mortality rate...

Also on the BBC website BBC News Swine Flu Have your Say: on the 25th April :

I'm a specialist doctor in respiratory diseases and intensive care at the Mexican National Institute of Health. There is a severe emergency over the swine flu here. More and more patients are being admitted to the intensive care unit. Despite the heroic efforts of all staff (doctors, nurses, specialists, etc) patients continue to inevitably die. The truth is that anti-viral treatments and vaccines are not expected to have any effect, even at high doses. It is a great fear among the staff. The infection risk is very high among the doctors and health staff.

There is a sense of chaos in the other hospitals and we do not know what to do. Staff are starting to leave and many are opting to retire or apply for holidays. The truth is that mortality is even higher than what is being reported by the authorities, at least in the hospital where I work it. It is killing three to four patients daily, and it has been going on for more than three weeks. It is a shame and there is great fear here. Increasingly younger patients aged 20 to 30 years are dying before our helpless eyes and there is great sadness among health professionals here.
Antonio Chavez, Mexico City

Some people are saying a mortality rate of 6% which is truly not good in any way at all. For all who think this is just a way to "Control and scare" people yes that may be done yes, but the effects of this wont be seen for another few months, if not at the end of the year in a mutation, or second wave, or even more worrying a mix with H5n1 which has a mortality of up to 80%.

This virus seems to be passed very easily indeed, at a 6% mortality rate that is around 100% more deadly than previous Pandemics that brought the world to it's knees, it affects the young and fit, if it mixs with Avian h5n1 and gets a mortality in the double figures the effects would change the world beyond any recognition for a whole generation to come.

Kind Regards,

Elf.

Yeah My friend recevied warning email from friend in 2 days ago. They are from EL Paso,TX

First confirmed case of swine flu... First confirmed case of swine flu @ thomason hospital so be careful with people with colds!! Forward!

No media or TV news mention anything about it. ?

I noticed in somewhere in ATS forum. other mention someone died in the Corpus Christi,TX. that person look to foward to watch news TV or media about it. but nothing at all.

in Mexico .. sure strange stuff nobody report to youtube.com from mexico. maybe there are block internet due to prevent mass panic?

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I'm not a fan of math and suck at it but some numbers I have put together from reading different threads doesn't sound very good.

Most normal flu's have about a 10-20% chance of getting you sick when you come in contact with an infected person or area. This h1n1 variant sounds like it has about a minimum 50% of the people who come in contact with it get infected with it.

Eventually almost every person will probably come in contact with this based off the prediction maps of how a pandemic spreads when it has that high of a ratio of infection. I wish I could find this link again but hx3 borg dude posted it before I think.

If you take the small number of 2% death rate or the higher number of a 6% death rate like was reported above you start to see some scary numbers. That's like 18 Million deaths in the US with a 100% infection rate or 9 Million deaths at a 50% infection rate.

I would imagine that as the system becomes more taxed you would see the death rate percentage rise so you could see as much as 10% die off or 15-30 million people. combine that then with the other deaths that would happen because of the strains put on the health care system and its feasible to have almost 20% of the US population die off based on the numbers I have read in different threads( some would be normal deaths others would be preventable deaths that are left untreated because of lack of ability to utilize overcrowded hospitals like a hear attack).

They say that if 20% of a population were to die off you would probably see total anarchy until panic settles down.

If i get bored at work I will try and find more supporting links.


But hey don't worry to much. I'm sure I messed up on my number crunching or I read bad figures.

I live in Key Largo, Fl and this is freaking me out. Although not confirmed it makes me wonder.ORLANDO, Fla. -- Is the swine flu in Central Florida? An email obtained Tuesday by Eyewitness News from Florida Hospital's chief medical officer said it is (see the email), but then the hospital and the Orange County Health Department quickly backed down as soon as Eyewitness News started asking questions.

The doctor's email said the case is from a tourist from Mexico, the country at the center of the swine flu outbreak. The tourist came to Orlando with relatives to vacation at Disney World.

The newest information from the health department says several samples from Central Florida cases have been sent to the CDC. However, the Florida Department of Health told Eyewitness News early Tuesday evening no samples from anywhere in Florida have been sent to the CDC.

So far, there are no confirmed cases of swine flu in Central Florida.

Florida Hospital's Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Loran Hauck, sent the email and it didn't take long for word to get around. His email said there was a diagnosed case of swine flu.

Two hours after Eyewitness News broke the story on WFTV.com, Dr. Scott Brady, the medical director for Florida Hospital Centra Care, where the case in question and two other possible cases came in, called a press conference (watch press conference).

"Let me be very clear that that has not been confirmed at this point in time," Brady said Tuesday.

Dr. Brady tried to downplay Dr. Loran Hauck's email, which said "a case was diagnosed here in Orlando today on a tourist from Mexico who came to Disney attractions two days ago to visit, as referring merely to the flu and not the swine flu. But WFTV reporter Kathi Belich pressed him, because the question Dr. Hauck was answering was specifically about swine flu.

"This was a direct answer to a question about swine flu. Did your chief medical officer speak out of turn?" Belich asked Brady.

"I have not spoken to the CMO about that," Brady said.

"You haven't?" Belich asked.

"It's not confirmed," Brady said.

"You have not spoken to him about why he generated this email?" Belich asked.

"I don't know why he generated the email," Brady said.

Eyewitness News tried to speak to Dr. Hauck about why he sent the email, but the hospital denied it. Instead, Florida Hospital released a statement from him late Tuesday afternoon.

“I regret that an unofficial e-mail I sent to a friend has been taken out of context,” Hauck wrote in the press release. ”My intent was to comment on current influenza cases in Central Florida, but I regret my strong choice of words. I apologize for the concern this has caused.”

While Hauck's statement says he was really talking about "current influenza cases" and not swine flu, he only referred to one specific diagnosed case when Florida Hospital says it has had numerous cases of diagnosed influenza.

Dr. Brady told Eyewitness News a Mexican tourist who had been to Disney came into one of the clinics Sunday night with the flu. On Monday, they swabbed the tourist and said they sent the culture to the CDC. Florida Hospital says it sent two more cultures from Orlando to the CDC on Tuesday, but the the Florida Department of Health denies having sent any samples to the CDC.

Orange County Health Officer Dr. Kevin Sherin won't say exactly how many possible cases there are in the county. He's been asked by the health department not to do that, but says if there is a confirmed case he will get that information out right away.

Shortly after the hospital's press conference, the Florida's Health Department held their own (watch press conference).

"At this time we have no confirmed cases here in Florida," Florida Surgeon General Ana M. Viamonte Ros said during theTuesday afternoon press conference.

Viamonte Ros said several samples are being sent to state labs where, if they get a positive test, they are then forwarded to the CDC for confirmation.

"Several tests are being conducted at this time, but there are no confirmed cases at this time" Viamonte Ros said.



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The first two cases of swine flu have been confirmed in Florida, in an 11-year-old boy and a 17-year-old girl, according to twitter.com/BreakingNews.

found online confirmation here: suncoastpasco.tbo.com...

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these retractions, even in text form, (referring to the current topic and Biden) sound slightly coerced.

but only slightly.

At my younger sister's high school in Sugar Land, TX (That's 20 miles SW of Houston) There is one confirmed case of swine flu. They have not shut the school down.

They are having the SAT test at the school this weekend and I am sure sick kids will show up to take it.

My two Mexican military contacts have just updated me on the following;
All Northern commands are under full alert however, only 24 possible cases have been quarenteened and NO DEATHS!

First I will say that if you wanted to really start some serious depopulation starting with the most populated city on Earth which is Mexico City would be the place to start at.

Second the Mexican people really are the salt of the Earth. I lived in Los Angeles for a number of years and developed a great respect and admiration for them. So much so I even married a Mexican woman.

Having said that, and now saying this, that stereotyping can be a little dicey and assumptive; nonetheless the majority of Mexicans I have met are a highly superstitious lot. They like most of us do love to gossip and love to theorize, and for a whole host of reasons having to do with the now defunct PRI, Mexicans tend to be very suspicious of their governments and well, based on many of those governments I would say that is rightly so.

My ‘gut’ instinct tells me that while some ‘at risk’ people are dying, that this whole situation is being hyped through the main stream media to further slow down economic activity to create and give some more politically palpable effects as to why the bailouts are not really working, and won’t end up working. Well, ladies and gentlemen, citizens Mother Nature dealt us a bum hand on this one.

I believe the Government/Powers that Be likely did introduce the virus, it’s not Flu Season. It’s suspicious that it did originate from the planets most populated city.

Contrary to the Original Post though, CNN did do a piece on its website yesterday about Patient 0. Five-year-old Edgar Hernandez is alive and well and attributes his survival quite naturally to Ice Cream.

I don’t trust the Government but I don’t trust the Anti-Christ is here grab your Bible crowd either, who are often just desperate to validate their scriptures by making mountains out of mole hills at times to preach and seek converts as well. Some of the conspiracy proponents on ATS like those interested in 2012 are quick to make things “fit” their theories.

Here is the long and short of it though and I strongly exercise a lot of people to exercise more caution in these Swine Flu threads as this situation is truly a double edged sword.

If you increase alarm through false or poorly sourced stories that have a political or religious ax to grind certain that you are doing the right thing in ratcheting up people’s concern and alarm and all this is being played up by the Media and Governments to simply provide some rational explanation as to why the bailouts aren’t working, and the hysteria you help generate further slows the economy, well you are playing into the government’s hands and ultimately hurting yourself unless you are filthy rich.

If it is on the other hand a depopulation method to start weaning down our excessive numbers, it will become apparent all on it’s own as people we all know fall ill.

In the meantime this hysteria from my vantage is already slowing the economy and I can’t caution people strong enough that doing anything that is going to result in a decrease in economic activity is really not in your best interest. Let me die from a 72 hour death from the Flu rather than starvation please. I enjoy eating too much!

Thanks.

I am a former prosecutor. A couple of years ago when the north east was hit with that massive blackout, Mayor Bloomberg went on the tv and radio and said that the city was safe, calm, with no rioting or looting.

To back up these perpasturous claims, what the city did was to tell the the police officers responding to looting to charge the looters with trespassing and petit larceny rather than burglary.

The trick is that trespass and petit larceny are both misdemeanors while burglary is a felony. The FBI only keeps crime statistics of certain felonies in those crime rate stats you see on the news. By
classifying the looting as misdemeanors in the NYPD paperwork, the mayor was able to lie about all the
looting.

Once the cases got to us at the prosecutor's office, the where indicted for burglary. The problem is that the FBI statistics don't track the actual charges levied by the prosecutor which are the real charges and often are different from the police charges.

I am sure that the same thing is being done here where the doctors are being told to fudge patient charts. It is all about lying to the masses.

Originally posted by COL.Tapi
My two Mexican military contacts have just updated me on the following;
All Northern commands are under full alert however, only 24 possible cases have been quarenteened and NO DEATHS!

Could you please elaborate on this? Are you saying that there are only 24 possible cases in Mexico? And no deaths?

Two Mexican Military contacts?

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Thanks for the response FreezeM had heard but wasn't sure.
Doesn't instill me with alot of confidence but we'll be okay.

Have read quite a bit about all of this. Don't know what to believe. I could believe the media and not worry.

Or Joe Biden and panic.

Or half the people here and hide in the mountains and wait for "Captain Tripps" (thank you Stephen King) to get us all.

Or the other half and finish my scotch and not worry.

What I DO know is that the government is very, very busy with getting medical equipment up to par. Lots of lab equipment, ventillators, suction units. I am a biomed. Thats what I do.

How do you prepare for something that no one, and I mean NO ONE tells you the truth about?

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This is all very interesting but I wonder if it might be a bit exaggerated.

My brother-in-law is a Mexican national and has 13 children and many many grandchildren living throughout Mexico, in Mexico City and resort areas among them. Today is his birthday so he has received phone calls from many of them.

None of them are sick or know of anyone personally with this flu. Maybe they are just lucky or maybe the severity of this is just not true?

I have some in-laws that live in Mexico, they have told me that the entire country is shut down. One of my relatives is a professor and he cannot work because the university was closed down. I know that much is true and not a lie.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Contrary to the Original Post though, CNN did do a piece on its website yesterday about Patient 0. Five-year-old Edgar Hernandez is alive and well and attributes his survival quite naturally to Ice Cream.

Sounds like mainstream media "feel-good propaganda"..... Id like to see the tests that confirm this kid actually had the flu to begin with....

CNN is the censored news network afterall, however i do agree with your request for moderation and skepticism in regards to some of these rumors

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Theres 6.7 billion people in the world and how many people
have died from this flu?

15,000 to 30,000 citizens die from the Flu each year.

Looks like they want to shut down the economy!

I see fear and paranoia for the profits of the drug companies.

To those that think this is an engineered virus and just media hype.

What I don't understand is this logic:

Why if the NWO PTB crowd wanted more control and to depopulate the earth would they engineer a virus, release it, hype it - only to have it ineffective?

Why not just make it the "real deal" that kills 6% or more? They act like its the plague - but reports show it's not all bad. Are they under reporting it and if so why?

I don't know what to think really. I definitely don't trust the MSM reports, but I don't know if there many deaths unreported either.

Do they want it to spread by making us all respond with "oh its just media hype, nothing to it really" and then we go on spreading it not really worried about it. I don't know just some of my random thoughts.


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I'm in Sugar Land. I'm not sure about Fort Bend ISD, but Lamar ISD has canceled school for the whole of next week.