SEAL report on what realy happened!, page 4

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe

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As in the OP showed his/her partizan hand making his/her story less credible imho.

Not saying it isn't true though.

How does believing in the TRUTH that you speak of, make it any less credible ?

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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

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Ok let's backtrack a little here and stop simply regurgitating the right wing blog talking points.

The OP is asserting that he/she has inside information on what went down.

Can we all agree that without evidence to substantiate this claim it is nothing more than words on a screen?

My only point was that by bringing political commentary into an OP which is supposedly about a chain of event does not help one's credibility, but it doesn't change the fact that such a claim has to be substantiated.

Um, in case you haven't yet noticed...

There's hardly ANY "substantiated" posts on ATS, why is this one any different? Almost everything here is opinion , second hand accounts or sketchy "evidence" based

Just because the OP introduced his/her own political bent doesn't make it invalid, if it did 95% of all posts on ATS would deserve the same treatment.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing one way or another.
My feelings about ANY political decision would tend to agree with the OP story as posted, regardless of dem/rep.

and by the way a chain of evidence is a chain of evidence regardless of the credibilty factor. Being Blue red or purple doesn't make it any less, or any more truthful. If being less partisan helps you "believe" someone's chain of evidence then I feel sorry for your one sided view in life.

There is as much truth on MSMBC as there is on FOX, you just have to learn to weed out the descriptive text.
("terrorist act" vs. "man made disaster")

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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Dog, I very much admire your responses and very much like to read them, although we'll not agree on every issue.

When Zindo provided this postulation, for one who was in the military, one with combat experience in special ops, one who has seen this hesitation crap more times than I can count, then this actually made perfect sense!

What our CIC's have been reluctant to do is to make a decision, and then trust those on site to make it so.

These guys on site are far from stupid. Far from reckless. They are the closest things to supermen in the world. They don't live in the same world as the rest of us, and have capabilities, even as men, that are very closely held secrets.

SEALS don't need days to get something done. SEALS only need to be on site. Once they arrive, **** starts to happen real quick.

These are highly specialized surgical tools. But these tools walk, talk, swim, fly, dive through water and air, and they do nothing but practice these skills. Or use them.

The delay alone smelled completely wrong. The fact that they took their shots and it was over instantly indicated that they did nothing that probably couldn't have been done much earlier.

(You don't suddenly develop shooting skills like that in the course of 24 hours.)

So the commander, using that one little phrase, probably pulling his hair out at the restrictions and delays, took responsibility himself, and made the call.

That's all it takes. Someone with the testes to make the call, take the heat if it goes wrong, but knowing that he did make a firm decision.

Often it goes well. Sometimes, rarely, it goes wrong. But you can't sit on your thumb, rotating, while hoping for a miracle to drop out of the sky.

You make your miracles. And no one does it better than our Special Ops personnel, including, and especially in this environment - the U.S. Navy SEALS.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by dooper]

reply to post by ZindoDoone

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It would really help, if you had put within the original post, that this was in regards to the Pirate Incident in Somalia.

Some people would never be clued into what your post was about otherwise.

I figured it out, only because I've read enough on the S.E.A.L.'s over my lifespan.

For the non-military minded individuals on ATS, here are some of the definitions of the original post.

BHO - Barack Hussein Obama

DEVGRU - United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group

ROE - Rules of Engagement

Before some Obama supporter goes off on me, about the "Barack Hussein Obama" there, I'm only clarifying his full name usage, from the original post.

I did not vote for Obama nor McCain, I voted for Garfield, as in the lasagna stealing cat.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by ZindoDoone

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Thanks for the info. And tell your son thanks for his service. Former squid myself and would soon be retired if I had stuck it out. What the nasayers on here don't understand the best information comes directly from those involved not some "legit news source." I spent a lot of time around the SEALS in San Diego and almost tried out myself in boot. But I was married with a kid in so I just couldn't pull the trigger knowing I may leave them behind someday. Those group of guys are something else. BZ Seals!

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

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Ok let's backtrack a little here and stop simply regurgitating the right wing blog talking points.

The OP is asserting that he/she has inside information on what went down.

Can we all agree that without evidence to substantiate this claim it is nothing more than words on a screen?

My only point was that by bringing political commentary into an OP which is supposedly about a chain of event does not help one's credibility, but it doesn't change the fact that such a claim has to be substantiated.

IMO, one of the dumbest posts I've seen on ATS - and I've seen a few.

Just what exactly do you expect by way of proof, the name, rank, and serial number of any or all of the people involved?

Don't say something even dumber by saying yes, that's what you expect ...


Tried to help you out, but you managed to do it anyway ...

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[edit on 4/20/2009 by centurion1211]

Three snipers, three bullets, three dead Somali pirates

But Somalia's pirate command vowed revenge, raising concerns for 230 other foreign hostages currently being held.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them," said Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate from the Somali pirate town of Eyl.

"[America] is now our No 1 enemy."

And in an apparently unrelated incident, mortar shells were fired at the airport in Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, as a US congressman, Donald Payne, took off after a one-day visit with government officials. He was unhurt and his aircraft left safely.

In the past, no hostage has been seriously injured or killed by the pirates, but now there are fears that may change after the high-stakes US operation. The threats came as the Americans gave full details of the rescue mission which was launched on Sunday afternoon when three days of negotiations to free Mr Phillips, the captain of the Maersk Alabama, had broken down.

There are consequences for having an itchy trigger finger, especially for a country with the stature like the US. (No wonder I consider the far right to be far more dangerous than the far left).

If every president (including the previous ones) knows what will be the consequence if they don't order the kill, they would order the kill. But if you're not sure, don't do it, you have to try another route first.

As for Barrack taking the credit for this, well, I'll let you figure that one out yourself.

Ps: Those SEALs sure are very accurate, aren't they?

reply to post by benoni

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Benoni, I write just to amuse you, so if it's working, then you're welcome. I've never tried stand-up, but hell, all I'd have to do is explain or repeat some of your positions on things, and I'd have them rolling in the aisle!

To answer your question, I damned well would tell them to do whatever they could, but under no circumstances, do not let that boat with my loved one leave.

You seem to think that reason works with those who would use force for personal gain. They use brute force against the unarmed. Folks like you, with thinking like that, is exactly what causes and encourages so many of these problems in the world.

Let's see if I have this correct: The Benini Way is to carry a tube of lube on your person at all times, and practice bending at the waist. This is why some folks maybe need to stick to the cooking threads, and engage others with their wisdom on interior decorating.

Unlike you, I've had to pull the trigger. Had to. Not by choice. Had to. Not elected to. Had to. Your pizzpoor comparison of John Wayne is a lame comparison as Wayne was an actor, and these are the real thing.

This had everything to do with resolution.

Appropriate, timely, and measured.

Enabled by preparation, capability, and skill.

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