Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by thedman
Maybe should try and read these accounts of police/fire IN THE BUILDINGS
No bombs, just indication that the structure was failing
Here is entire page full of quotes from people there - again no bombs

You've got to be kidding me? READ THE THREAD TITLE! It's not about bombs in the buildings. Take it to another thread, thedman.

All of the intelligent, purposeful replies in this thread are trying to identify Harley Man, yet there's always some off-topic, cut-and-paste noise... typical.

I always used to laugh about there being "dis-info" agents lurking around the boards.

But now , after a lot of reading here on ATS, I am a believer, brother!

Good Call!!!

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
To everyone who has worked on this, I am so impressed at how something can come together when all of the talent here is working together. I just wanted to give a round of applause to you guys. All of you have done a wonderful job and I thank you for your time and efforts. We've got a serious group of talents here....I'm so proud of you....seriously, it is just so nice to see everyone work together....It's RAD.

Peace

Yes I agree. I hope something good comes out of it though, cuz if "they" really are responsible for the murder of 3000 of their own countrymen, we probably should watch our backs a little.

I'm finding it hard to say that this is Riggle for sure. The voice doesn't match up to me and the Harley guys nose is so hard to make out in the interview.

The mans nose in the interview looks smaller than Riggles. Poor quality video makes it hard to tell.

Or maybe, just mabye, there was a guy in a harley davidson shirt (so what if its new ,he could have just bought it) who witnessed 9/11 and thought of a dramatic and intelliegent thing to say. Here are a couple things wrong with what youve been saying.

1. If the U.S. government planned 9/11 and planted him, don't you think they would have gotten the best actor possible? They also would have taken the time to give him some realistic cloaths,

2 Even if it was Bob Riggle( which is probally not true), so what? You're all starting with he false premise that there had to have been a conspiracy. Bob Riggle is as likely as any other actor to be paid by the government. Just because the man is actor doesn't mean he was paid to act for Fox, or the government, or anybody else.

Originally posted by houdanny
1. If the U.S. government planned 9/11 and planted him, don't you think they would have gotten the best actor possible?

You mean Anthony Hopkins? For starters Hopkins would have rewritten the script. Also, people who are the best at what they do usually have some integrity. You have to go to the scum in a criminal conspiracy.

2 Even if it was Bob Riggle( which is probally not true), so what? You're all starting with he false premise that there had to have been a conspiracy.

There is no doubt that there was a conspiracy. Everyone on all sides of the question believes there was a conspiracy. The point is whose conspiracy was it. There is a huge amount of evidence that it was the Bush administration's conspiracy.

Do you think that what Harley guy was saying was unscripted? All I have to say, if you do, is to stay away from late night TV. You'll have a house full of juicers and exercise equipment in no time.

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Use facts in your arguments. I don't think it was him because there is no evidence. You think it is because...... why was that again?

also, I would just like to say, I don't think there was a conspiracy.

Originally posted by houdanny
also, I would just like to say, I don't think there was a conspiracy.

16 people conspired to fly aircraft into the WTC and the pentacon.

People in the US government conspired to fly aircraft into the WTC and the pentacon.

Either way you believe, it was a conspiracy.

Originally posted by houdanny
Use facts in your arguments.

That's a new approach. Is that what you do?

I don't think it was him because there is no evidence. You think it is because...... why was that again?

I think there is a possibility that it is Riggle because there is a strong resemblance between Riggle and Harley guy. I'm not sure they are one and the same, but the resemblance is strong enough that the matter needs to be looked into further.

There are also supplemental reasons associated with the particulars of his biography as given on his website.

excuse me then. I mis understood. I beleive that religous zealots commited a terrible act of violence, and our government, though sickenningly inadequate at the time, wasn't involved.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by houdanny
Use facts in your arguments.

That's a new approach. Is that what you do?

I try. I only said that because I sometimes notice a severe lack of it. I also hope I didn't come off as snobby, or conceded. Sorry if I did.


edit: also, sorry for the double post.

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Originally posted by houdanny
1. If the U.S. government planned 9/11 and planted him, don't you think they would have gotten the best actor possible? They also would have taken the time to give him some realistic cloaths,

Who is to say they didn't? You really expect them to use an actor everyone would recognize?

Realistic cloaths (sic)? So you admit his clothes look unrealistic? So what would a good actor have worn, if they had taken their time?

2 Even if it was Bob Riggle( which is probally not true), so what? You're all starting with he false premise that there had to have been a conspiracy. Bob Riggle is as likely as any other actor to be paid by the government. Just because the man is actor doesn't mean he was paid to act for Fox, or the government, or anybody else.

The false premise is all in your mind. You're right it might not be Riggle, but where would a guy on the street come up with the VERY SAME excuse the government used to whitewash the buildings collapses. Where did this guy get the idea the towers fell because of the fires? What precedence did his mind use to make him believe it was fires that caused the collapses? It's not like it's a common occurrence, in fact no steel building has ever globally collapsed from fire, and we see buildings of many different designs, and materials, engulfed in flames quite often but how many can you name that completely globally collapsed. So what put that thought in his head?

It's just too much of a stretch to be a coincidence...

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I didn't say an actor that could be recognized. I said a better actor. Mabye a reletive unknown who still had lots of talent. I do see where your coming from thought about the fire talk. He may have come up with the same idea as the gov. because he knew what he was talking about. Also He could have just been pulling that out of his butt and got lucky. Thats not as big a coincidence as you may think. He could have just been trying to sound smart. If anyone payed him I bet it would have been Fox giving him a script and saying, "read this when we ask you what happened". As for his clothes, I didn't mean to say they were suspicious , so much as they could have looked alot more worn in(I only said that much because someone else mentioned it). Also, Assuming that because an actor was interveiwed means that he was payed by the gov. to say a message IS a false premise.

and I just thought of another point. Why would the government do this at all?

Originally posted by houdanny
excuse me then. I mis understood. I beleive that religous zealots commited a terrible act of violence, and our government, though sickenningly inadequate at the time, wasn't involved.

I'm glad you posted this because I was beginning to think you were the reincarnation/alter ego of some of the debunker types in these forums who specialize in straw man arguments and other forms of disingenuous argument.

You are largely right in what you say, above.

The religious zealots involved were Israeli/American dual citizens and Mossad agents and their associates in the United States. The only non-religious people in the mix were the 19 dope smoking, coke snorting, stripper cuddling patsies who were fingered for the crime.

Your government, sickeningly inadequate at the time and sickeningly inadequate now was for the most part uninvolved. That is true. But there were parts of the government and military very much involved. It's a long story. You have to do the research to learn all about it. I don't think you have looked into it enough.

I don't want to give you false hope about me, I am a skeptic. I do, however, try to use proper arguments and logic. I think logical fallicies for a good cause are as bad as for a bad cause.Congrats on knowing fallacy names though (high-five-through-the-internet).
I think that the people who crashed the planes into the building are the ones who did it. Not our government.

edit: and also, I think I've researched this enought o formulate an educate opinion.

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