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Mystery expert at ground zero

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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 11:02 PM
reply to post by houdanny

The big problems start with the collapse of the twin towers. It is hard to tell exactly how many seconds it took for them to fall. Estimates range from 10 or so seconds to 17 or so seconds.

Even at 17 seconds, it is very close to free fall speed. When the initial collapse occured on the upper levels, that portion of the building took almost the same time to fall to earth as the rest of the building.

For all practical purposes that means that the lower 75 floors in one building and the lower 93 floors in the other building played no part whatsoever in resisting the descent of the upper portions of the building to steet level.

That can only happen in one way, controlled demolition.

When we know we are dealing with a controlled demolition we also know we are dealing with an inside job. This is because setting up such a demolition requires extensive insider access.

We are already deep into conspiracy territory, homegrown conspiracy territory. You really should investigate the various threads on ATS to fill in your knowledge.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:04 AM
reply to post by CityIndian

Where did this guy get the idea the towers fell because of the fires? What precedence did his mind use to make him believe it was fires that caused the collapses?

That is the key!

Everyone was talking about secondary explosions going off, then this guy walks up with the Government's own version right after the collapse. What proof did he have that it was fires alone that did this. He isn't even an emergency responder or fireman.

This crap is getting deeper and deeper

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:32 AM
Ive seen this guy before hes really fishy, a friend pointed him out to me and said hes a paid liar. I didnt believe him but now I do, since I thought it was only him noticing.

Are we sure theres no other threads on this convict? S&F!

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:35 AM

Originally posted by houdanny
I didn't say an actor that could be recognized. I said a better actor. Mabye a reletive unknown who still had lots of talent.

So again you are agreeing the guy didn't sound believable? That it was 'bad acting'?

I do see where your coming from thought about the fire talk. He may have come up with the same idea as the gov. because he knew what he was talking about. Also He could have just been pulling that out of his butt and got lucky.

Well if he was an expert he would never have made such a claim, because once again where would someone get that idea from when it's not a normal condition of a building on fire? Very rarely do buildings on fire suddenly globally collapse, again NO steel framed building has ever.
So expert, or not, fire would not be the first thing you surmised if you just saw two 110 story steel framed buildings collapse.

and I just thought of another point. Why would the government do this at all?

Because it helps cement the idea in the publics mind of what the government wanted us to believe caused the collapses. It's the little details like that that make any plan work well.

It reads like a cheap hollywood movie I know, but most of the public can't tell the difference anymore anyway. Most of the publics perception and opinions are created by the media. The intellectually lazy take everything they hear from the media as truth, they really don't care if it is really truth or not, as long as all their intellectually lazy friends believe the same thing. Step out of that box and express anything different from the crap we're fed everyday, and all the intellectually lazy can do is laugh at you.

Fear is controlling those that are laughing...

[edit on 16-4-2009 by CityIndian]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:31 AM
Starred and Flagged.

I ALWAYS knew that "Harley GUy" was a stooge.

It's Riggle for SURE!

Anyone who says otherwise, is either disinfo, or just plain dumb.

Also how can you tell how tall the guy in the video is??????

Do you now the height of the reporter? Or the guy standing behind them???

Also is one of them on the sidewalk, the guy in the back could definitely be. In NYC, that could give him a 4-6 inch height difference.

Heck the reporter and the backround guy could both be on the curb, and Mr. Riddle standing on the street, makeing him look 4-6 inches shorter.

Throw your Height arguments out the window, and you stocky arguments too.

I have tight T shirts , mostly black ones (go figure) that make me look short and stocky. While a loose white shirt will make me look taller and thinner.

Great post, It's him, or his identincal twin. Heck look at the hats in the picture of him in Iraq, it could be the same hat. At least, we know Mr. Riggle likes his brim bent EXACTLY the same way as Mr. Harley Davidson.

Man, this has been pissing me off from go. I've ALWAYS wodered who that guy was, and how he knewso much and sounded like he was doing a commercial spot. Then to find out this guy is like Special ops in the military, and now in television. WOW


posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:08 AM
There is a YouTube clip from the David Letterman show with an appearance by Bill O'Reilly. Dave has had O'Reilly on quite a few times to carry on their usually friendly sparring match on the state of the nation.

On one of the most recent visits O'Reilly was saying that, although he didn't much like Dick Cheney (that surprised me), he thought President Bush had been given an excessively rough ride by the press during his administrations.

Letterman responded by saying that he had had a congressman on the program recently. He said that during the commercial break he had asked the congressman what he thought of Bush. Letterman said that the congressman told him that President Bush should be arrested and tried as a war criminal.

I think that the truth movement is gaining traction. I think that we the people are going to straighten some criminals out about just what the American democracy is.

We have to keep working though.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:25 AM
Just an update-

still no response from Riggle's publicist, or Riggle himself. You would think that a military man, a marine, fresh from Afghanistan, being accused of being a government "plant", would be infuriated about being accused of treason at the least, much less complicit in the murder of 3000 fellow countrymen.

Or maybe the whole premise to him is silly because he feels it's so "out there", that it doesn't desrve a response.

I know I myself would be livid.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:40 AM
well i agree the voices sounds very indetic...

but changes nothing i think

same like its a fact that this was a inside job...and noone really cares

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:43 AM

posted by houdanny
Use facts in your arguments.

posted by ipsedixit
That's a new approach. Is that what you do?

posted by houdanny
I try. I only said that because I sometimes notice a severe lack of it. I also hope I didn't come off as snobby, or conceded. Sorry if I did.

Yes you did come across as snobby and conceited. Apology accepted. Some of us here on this forum have been researching 9-11 in depth for five or six years or longer. Harley Davidson guy is one of the agents of disinformation we have been after that entire time.

Rob Riggle and Harley Davidson guy

I saw him on Faux News and on CBS with Dan Rather live on that very morning of 9-11 and knew instantly that he was a disinfo agent just from his manner of speech and words chosen. The other agent of disinformation live with Dan Rather that morning had his name and position handed to us; Jerome Hauer (aka Anthraxman) and he has made himself unavailable for interviews. Hauer is a well-known New World Order insider.

Jerome Hauer in the center with transgendered cross-dresser Rudy Giuliani

Google Video Link

Meet Jerome Hauer, 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.

On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.

Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?

Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...

The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

The World Trade Center

Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.

Jerome Hauer is certainly a remarkable guest, isn't he? On the very morning of the event, he had the whole thing figured out.

The collapse was simply due to the planes hitting the buildings, just the velocity of the plane and of course the fact that it was filled with fuel, and the fact that it burned and of course you had that intense heat which must have weakened the structure ... It's incredible, of course. It's also half of the official story!

But let's get back to the attack itself. Who did it? Who could have done it? If you were watching CBS that morning, you would have heard this:

Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.

And that, of course, is the other half of the official story.

How did Dan Rather happen to have a guest with him on the morning of 9/11 who knew the entire official story before it became public knowledge?

Jerome Hauer was introduced to CBS's viewers as a former director of NYC's OEM. Strangely, perhaps, CBS News audiences were not told he was also a managing director of the security company responsible for the twin towers. And of course no one was told to start taking Cipro -- except the White House.

Planting The Seeds
The twin disintegrations of the twin towers certainly looked like explosives-driven demolitions to many reporters who covered them live -- but Jerome Hauer assured Dan Rather and his viewers that it was just caused by the intense heat that weakened the structure!

The attack of 9/11 was of such scope and ferocity that it was virtually unimaginable -- except to the people who planned it -- just a day before it happened. But when it did happen, Jerome Hauer was able to contradict the intelligence experts and claim it bore the fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden!

Jerome Hauer knew the entire official story before it became public knowledge.

Jerome Hauer helped the official story become public knowledge!

[edit on 4/16/09 by SPreston]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:08 AM
Yesterday I went to and started to watch the Fox coverage of 9/11 that is archived there. I was trying to find the actual original footage of harley man's interview, thinking that the visual might be clearer than what has been posted as clips on YouTube etc.

I know that most people don't have time for something like that but for serious 9/11 researchers it is very interesting to look at Fox's coverage with the benefit of hindsight.

Just a minute or so before the collapse of the North Tower they had a great shot of the tower suddenly belching a blast of black smoke. I thought to myself. Great, I am going to get a good panoramic view of the onset of the collapse. They cut to another shot. And stayed away from the North Tower for a few minutes, completely unaware that it had collapsed.

Then eventually they caught up to events and came back to the already collapsed North Tower. Did they rewind tape and show the great collapse shot that they had "in the can". Nope. On to more confused commmentary.

Later they were showing a different angle of the collapse. A great shot that would have shown a perfect angle on the remnants of the building's core as it collapsed/disappeared. This shot would be a must for all Judy Wood fans. What happend. Time to change the filter on the lense and lose the moment in a blaze of pale yellow.

There are nuances of body language, for example, an on the street interviewer with an office worker in Washington where the guy, who had seen the towers collapse on T V refers to controlled demolition and the interviewer starts shaking his head "no", as the interviewee is speaking.

There is also the effort to link the attack to bin Laden, within an hour of it happening based on no evidence whatsoever.

Does anybody know what hour Harley man's interview took place in? I'm going to keep hunting for it.

Here is the link to five networks broadcasts of the day. Scroll down the page a little.

I thought I should add, in fairness to the presenters at Fox. They mentioned that they were getting feeds from New York that they had no control over. It is quite significant, I think that they were being fed their footage by someone else.

They have quite good, probably unintentionally good footage of DC and the Pentagon. It is obvious from their footage that most of the black smoke at the Pentagon was coming from a small fire, very contained and extiguishable, though not extinguished for a long time, in front of the building. The deisel generator trailor, I think. They could have had that fire out in a few minutes with foam, but they let it burn and burn, producing a ton of black smoke.

Granted, the firemen probably saw immediately that the small fire was contained and probably not dangerous, leaving them free to deal more with the building itself, but I couldn't help thinking that the oil fire at the deisel generator was a great cosmetic aid to the notion that a lot of jet fuel was burning at the Pentagon.

In fact, if you look carefully, you see that virtually all the black smoke is coming from that little fire, not from the building itself, where the smoke is grayish.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by ipsedixit]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:31 AM

posted by ipsedixit

Does anybody know what hour Harley man's interview took place in? I'm going to keep hunting for it.

The reporter is Rick Levanthal and the time is about 9:40.

Who's this man? He already knows what's happening and he uses the same words of the official version.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:54 AM

Originally posted by SPreston
The reporter is Rick Levanthal and the time is about 9:40.

I checked the time period that you indicated and it is not there. At that point the collapses haven't yet occurred. It is later in the broadcast. Thanks anyway. Somebody will find it.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by ipsedixit]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:35 AM
This is old news I know, but the GOP recently admitted that it owns FOX news, so if phys-op was going to be conducted that would be the TV network to do the most damage from.

One thing I noticed in this this whole thing is that Dan Rather did not play along with this whole mockery of truth, and he ended up out of the business in disgrace.

Makes you wonder?

But this man interviewed doesn't even sound surprised, most people interviewed that day had a certain level of shocked value in there facial expression or voice, he has neither.

Even the firefighters that were in or near the building and survived
weren't even sure of the why's and how's, but this guy has all the answers?
Interview With 9/11 Fireman

He is a plant with a scripted answer, he knew what was going to happen before, thus a noticeable lack of surprise to him.

I have to admit back then I believed it too, because there was not enough information to support anything else, this type of thing cemented an emotional mindset on 9/11 with most people that continues down until today.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:47 AM
I have taken this topic over to the LoosChange forums where I also used to hang-out a lot. I know there are a lot of people overthere who are like pitbulls when it comes to digging for facts. The more people look at this, the better we can determine if we are on the right track, or not.


posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:14 AM
I'm still looking for the original Fox footage of stooge-in-the-street. It is not before noon in their coverage. I've looked at everything up to that point. If anybody locates it, please post the time in Fox's coverage that it is found at.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:54 AM
When I first saw this video I got the distinct impression this guy was giving a canned answer. Just like the infomercial guys on TV. I also have done my fair share of phone sales and I used to read the pitch and this is what it reminded me of.Like the way he said " mostly due to structural failure" and shrugged his shoulders.

He reminds me of the guy who sells, how to use ebay CD's. "I'm the guy who gives the free CD lessons away." You know who I'm talking about.
I don't think it was a setup interview by fox. I think the guy knew where to be to get on TV.

Whether, their two different guys or not, I think this guy was planted there.
Good find.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by SPreston

The more and more I watch the shot of Riggle at ground zero, the more I think he is in a studio and the background is a matte. Watch when he shrugs. His hand goes into the black mans face standing behind him like a hollow gram also there is a point when the Black Gentlemen is behind him and another person is behind him. The ratio looks weird....

The planes weren't real, most of the footage wasn't real, so this would not be a surprise. I bet it wasn't even live, but prerecorded.


posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:11 PM

Originally posted by houdanny
also, I would just like to say, I don't think there was a conspiracy.

So, you don't believe that 19 Muslim hijackers along with Al-Queada conspired to fly 4 planes into buildings?

Either way, there's a conspiracy.

On topic: I'd just like to say nice find. I'm listening to right now to see if they have the clip from 9/11. Anyone know when the "mystery man" was on air?

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:20 PM
reply to post by Nola213

I agree with you. This is the problem no matter who you are in this or what side you stand on is facing the reality of how many parties were involved in orchestra to pull this off.

ALL of the Networks, at least from editing and above.

Holly wood, Military industrial's stagering, but not really when you start to tie where the money goes and who owns what. When you realize that AT&T, GM, Time/Aol etc, etc....all of these huge companies own stock in every reason why a war would be good, then it will be come clear.

Honestly the "Dude" said it best...."You just look for the person with the most to gain"'s simple. This wasn't just Bush, this was his whole porfolio.


posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:34 PM
reply to post by ipsedixit

Actual 'free-fall' versus actual time involved....

Check this out....(hope you don't have dial-up....seems too many ATS'ers do)

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