reply to post by Dean Goldberry
I've never been taught that it's a way of legitimizing sin, but rather because God is just, the only way for him to satisfy justice and remain true
to his nature and at the same time redeem man is to punish something or someone in their place. That something cannot be non-man, seeing as humans are
the fallen beings in question here, but at the same time cannot be a sinful being that is already worthy of punishment or something...don't ask me
why for sure llol
This is why God came as a man (Jesus) and then was put to death here. Biblically, this was no mere death. The wrath of God concerning sin/darkness and
the likes, for all men to be redeemed, was placed upon Jesus. Not just a brutal death. But a supernatural spiritual, mental, emotional revelation and
torture of the guilt weighing on all men and sense of God's distress and fury over the matter; something beyond explanation, because nobody else has
yet to experience it...at least so goes the theory. It wasn't a simple matter of Jesus, an eternal sinless being, was supernaturally allowed to die,
and now we're saved!
The reason sin was allowed to come into existence was because there has to be free choice to chose going against the...I suppose "instructions" we
were created to function optimally within, or rebel against the things we were created for. There has to be free choice of these matters otherwise
there is no possible argument for the existence of love. What does love mean, if there is no opportunity to chose what you will do?
However, at the same time, there must be punishment and an end to sin because of its effects on beings that God loves. According to his nature, how
can he let it continue?
That is why our current state on the earth, while allowed to continue a while, is finite. But it is also allowed so that we see the horrific effects
of a world developing beneath the effects of sin (and no doubt for the rest of the universe to observe) and so that all may see clearly why God cannot
allow it. Also as further proof that He is loving; because he's offered redemption to anyone that will accept it. Instead of eliminating us all from
existence immediately..or whatever...
Anyhow, back to the suggestion that Christianity offers legitimization for sin....this is not biblical. Many argue "it's ALL grace!" and think that
it means that you can go on sinning and living like hell and still go live eternally in paradise or whatever, and that the bible supports this. But to
the contrary, it speaks extensively of a change of character, a changing back to the un-sin affected state of mind and being over time. It does not
say that true Christians will not sin, slip up, but that they will give themselves over to this process and once out of the flesh, it will become
permanent and a finished work. This can only make sense (at least according to what I have been taught) because after all of it, why would God chose
to eternalize sin 'sickness'?
Yes, the vast majority of Christianity scarcely teaches a thing about this, most of it is terribly different. But the bible makes significant
complaint of 'spiritual' groups altering Christianity and twisting meanings and placing wrong or false focus on certain elements while diminishing
others, and the likes, and predicts that it continues til the end times basically. So I have a hard time arguing for "oh but it's been changed all
Yeah, no kidding, if we have the nature we are said to be born with, of course there will be twisting and lies, abundantly, if anything...among a
great deal of confusion.
Anyway, I am not 'preaching' any of this; let me make it clear, that this is only what I was taught, and how it potentially may answer some of your
questions or contain some points worth consideration. I am still exploring for myself. To say the least...