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Originally posted by sir_chancealot
One of the core tenants of communism is atheism, correct? (And don't even TRY and pull the "No True Scotsman" fallacy on this discussion.)
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Originally posted by Simplynoone
Badmedia ...I would really like it if you would seriously address these passages in JOHN (Which is your favorite book) ....and give me your interpretation then of what he was saying and meaning in those verses ....
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Originally posted by lyyhtsource
@simplynoone Great post with solid information.
To everyone else who says that there is no Elohim or Yahushua one vers wraps it all up perfectly. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." Psalm 14:1
Everyone who has ever lived knows that he is real. Even satan and his demons know. Lying to yourself hurts nobody but you.
Originally posted by Ichabod
reply to post by Dean Goldberry
That's why you make no sense in your assertion. You can't have an 'imaginary' insurance racket. Either there is real risk or there isn't, either there is real valuation of the loss or their isn't. If it was imaginary, then brilliant folks such as yourself would have figured it out long ago, written a book about it, sold a zillion copies, and the world would be freed from this terribly unfair system.
Again, your example has nothing to do with Christian or Jewish doctrine. If you're getting your understanding of God and worship from Hollywood, go someplace else, they're in it to sell tickets. Be suspicious of them.
You sound like a person that can answer the question I can't get an answer to: Why should we be following the campfire tales of semi-literate Bronze Age goatherders? Or the llama herders, or the yak herders or the manatee herders?
Originally posted by Gawdzilla
To be more verbose, sin is a construct of humans, not any gods, so you can't insure your afterlife by providing priests with a way to avoid working for a living.
Originally posted by Simplynoone
Yes they heard from God before anyone wrote anything down ..but do you recall how they heard from God ? Through angel visits,Dreams,PROPHETS who dreamed or heard from angels .......After Moses God even came to the people directly from a mountain and spoke from that mountain didnt he ?(at least according to the word) ...............(Moses as you pointed out heard directly from God he was about the only one who did in those days too ...mainly because he was A CHOSEN VESSEL by God representing and symbolic of what Jesus would do in the end times ..in a way leading his people out of modern Egypt (which represents what the whole world is ..in bondage to Egypt ....(the System of man )
But over and over again in the OT it says the reason why they could not abstain from wickedness is because they did not retain GOD in their hearts or minds or even memory (they forgot God by carrying on their own merry way ) ..........due to their NATURE (sin nature) and due to the fact they needed more like something tangible to worship which was why they created statues etc ....which is just another NATURE of man ...they need to see it and touch it or to them it isnt real (men are so unspiritual due to them being so fleshly and carnal minded) and this keeps them from hearing God .
Anyway if you were really interested in that you would do your own reading from the OT ...and see it clearly ...but thats your choice ..........
The whole point of Jesus and his death etc was so he could send the HOLY SPIRIT from GOD to man to LIVE IN THEM not just outside of them ....
Notice your favorite quote in John where it says this .
John 14 :17 for he dwelleth WITH you, and SHALL(Not is in you now but SHALL) be IN you
22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
((((notice it says WHO THE WORLD CANNOT RECIEVE ....if it is in everyone already in the world why did he say that to them >?
7For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
13The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
17I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.