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Soviet/Russian UFO Secrets - misidentified craft or Aliens ?

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posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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There have been thousands of UFO sightings in Russia or the former Soviet Union, and these reports have just started to leak out to the western world in the past couple decades. Many of these reports are of high strangeness and tell amazing stories about unidentified objects in the sky and Aliens being seen in numerous cases. many ufologists from Russia that have been revealing these once secret stories , seemed to be convinced that there is a real Alien phenomena occurring.


but...there is an ongoing debate about wether Russian UFO reports have any legitimacy and are possibly nothing more than secret military operations/misidentified aircraft or atmospheric anomalies. proponents of a goverment coverup such as the Russian ufologists and researcher George Knapp (featured in the first video) will have you to believe that the Russian goverment still has secret ufo files hidden away under lock and key, never to be seen by the general public. you will also see in this first video , Jim Oberg ..who is considered by some to be an expert on Russian spacecraft and Russian ufology. i could be wrong but i think Jim wants you to believe that the majority of these ufo reports have a earthly explanation and most of these story's are contrived by flights of fancy and wild imaginations.

so who is correct ? are there real Alien ufo sightings in Russia, or are these investigations and reports nothing but dis-info and amazing storytelling for profit ? is it possible that the goverment used the Alien aspect to camouflage military operations ?

do the Russians have flying saucers ? the German military supposedly had saucer technology and after WW2 ended ,the Nazi scientists working on those projects were sent to Russia and the United States. i believe it was called operation paperclip. i could easily speculate that those scientists did continue their work and it might explain why the Russian military in the last fourty years were so interested in UFO sightings ? why wasJoeseph Stalin so interested in UFO's ?

Soviet UFO Secrets Documentary


About The Program

In an investigation of some of the most puzzling UFO sightings in Soviet history, we uncover the work of an underground network of UFO believers and reveal a clandestine 13-year government investigation of UFOs.

Many Russian UFO enthusiasts believe that proof of alien encounters exists, but is being hidden from them! We also meet George Knapp, an American broadcast journalist who travelled to Russia in the early 1990s and believes there's a treasure trove of KGB UFO files that remain top-secret.

www.thehistorychannel.co.za...
www.ufoevidence.org...



www.dailymotion.com...
www.archive.org...

SETKA: A Secret Soviet UFO Research Program



The Great Soviet UFO Coverup by James Oberg
www.jamesoberg.com...
www.rense.com...


Russia has its UFOs, too - but with a difference. It has government coverups, too, and that is a central part of the difference. Cossacks in the Ukrainian countryside and sophisticated Muscovites on big city streets have stared in awe at UFO formations passing overhead. Russian astronomers at mountaintop observatories have gazed in wonder at half-mile-wide crescent UFOs which silently glide across the sky. Flying along the Volga River, a commercial airliner was buzzed and circled by a UFO; the plane's engines stalled and it glided downwards, until the UFO departed and the engines restarted. Thousands of people in western port cities have run in panic as a "jellyfish UFO" swept over the docks, sending down shafts of light which broke windows and paving stones. Over the Arctic Ocean, the crew of an llyushin airliner watched a blindingly bright UFO emit beams of light and drop cone-shaped projectiles.

Similar UFO reports have come in from around the globe. The difference between these UFOs and ones seen in other countries is that in these cases the Soviet government secretly knows exactly what happened. Moscow knows where the UFOs came from, who launched them, how they were propelled, and why they were traveling through Soviet skies. It knows all this -- and refuses to publicly admit it. It is probably the greatest UFO coverup in history.



The sordid truth is that most of the greatest Russian UFO stories of the past two decades really can be confidently explained by documented Soviet military space shots. Conveniently for Moscow's high-pitched propaganda campaign against American military space activities, public awareness of its own far-busier activities has been safely sidetracked.

UFOs from outer space over Russia? Soviet propagandists in Moscow smile encouragingly, "Sure, that's what they must be - space vehicles from some other civilization, but certainly not ours." And the greatest UFO coverup in history goes on.




could it be true that many of the ufo cases were just mis-identfied craft ? the Russians seem to have a fascination with ufo shaped vehicles







www.ekip-aviation-concern.com...
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Since there are supposed Soviet UFO reports dating back centuries ago how can the whole thing be snowballed into a conclusion that no real ufo's have been seen ? they didn't have rockets and secret aircraft back then...did they ?
www.ufo.se...
www.ufo.se...


Unidentified Flying Objects UFOs - have been sighted over the territory we know today as Russia since the days of antiquity. For centuries people have seen objects in the sky that they could not identify, and many of them have recorded sightings, which could not be explained away as meteors, planets, stars, or weather balloons.

Some of the most interesting information concerning UFO sightings is still locked away in the secret archives of the state. Occasionally, the guarded vaults do open up, either by the passing of history or chance, and information leaks out. Recently declassified documents of the Russian Ministry of the Interior, dating back to the beginning of the 19th century, reveal some interesting UFO sightings from the Russian Empire.



1880 ST. PETERSBURG UFO

A giant bright, spherical object flew over St. Petersburg on July 30, 1880. The UFO was accompanied by two identical craft, only smaller in size. The flight of the UFOs was noiseless, and they were observed over the city for three minutes.


www.hiddenmysteries.org...




“Radiance Over the Kremlin”






“On September, 1, 1808, at 8 o’clock and 7 minutes in the afternoon, in the sky, clear and sown with stars, a phenomenon appeared, incomparable in its beauty and rigor, as well as in radiance and enormous size, to anything seen before. As we noticed it, attracted by the loud cracking sound, it was rising in an arch over the horizon, from 55’ to almost 90’. Having passed this distance in an instant, it stopped among the clouds as if over the Kremlin and looked like a long straight plate

Then on its front edge, turned to the South-West, an oval flame flared, some two arshin (1.4 meter) long and one and a half arshin (1.4 meter) thick, with a flame that can only be compared to the radiance of burning phosphor.

Floating in a circle without open fire or sparkle, it nonetheless lighted everything around as broad daylight; then the flame went out, the light disappeared, but the bright plate remained and quite smoothly went perpendicularly upwards, reached the stars and still could be seen for some two minutes and then, without disappearing, it became invisible due to the extraordinary height.”

www.think-aboutit.com...


The M Triangle.

Undoubtedly the most UFO intensive area in Russia is a remote region near the Ural mountains, approximately 600 miles east of Moscow. Known as the M-Triangle this is a place renowned for its weird phenomenon and strange manifestations.

www.ufoevidence.org...




www.ufo.ural.ru...
alienresearch.wikia.com...

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Many of Russia's elite fighter pilots have also encountered UFO's and several have been fired upon. At least two planes have been lost in this way


www.space-2001.net...








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supposed ufo's from Russia







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UFO filmed near the Krško Nuclear Powerplant in Slovenia


Recorded with a cell phone on October 24, 2008 near the Krško Nuclear power plant in Slovenia. A person working at the nuclear powerplant recorded this UFO early in the morning. Also a Russian newspaper reported that a UFO was seen above the Krško Nuclear Power Plant in Krško, Slovenia, on several occasions between October 13 and October 16, 2008.


www.niburu.nl...




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posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 03:06 AM
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I think the vast majority of FO sightings are human piloted aircraft. I think the US has more than a few, and chances are that if we do the Russians do. Especially taking into consideration the number of German scientists taken to Russia that were still in contact with their counterparts in the US after Paperclip. Just my opinion, anyway.

Oh and Stalin was also into the ape/human hybrid thing a little too deep. I wouuld not read too deeply into that other than he was a nutbag.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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thanks Magnivea for your reply


I think the vast majority of FO sightings are human piloted aircraft. I think the US has more than a few, and chances are that if we do the Russians do. Especially taking into consideration the number of German scientists taken to Russia that were still in contact with their counterparts in the US after Paperclip. Just my opinion, anyway.


yea i agree with you that those German Nazi scientists were probably in contact with their colleagues. i am sure Wemher von Braun was allowed to do pretty much anything he wanted after coming to America. there are stories that he had access to the Roswell information. God only knows what these people were really doing behind the scenes.




Oh and Stalin was also into the ape/human hybrid thing a little too deep. I wouuld not read too deeply into that other than he was a nutbag.


really ? never heard of that one. maybe he was interested in that because of Alien/Human cloning ?


unconfirmed reports like these are the reason i still have some doubts about all these ufo's being man made...


Soviet military encountered many UFOs, maybe for this reason in the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching “flying objects” was created in the USSR.



In 1985 near the town of Krasnovodsk the radar station under the command of Captain Valuev registered the disc-shaped object in size of 1,000 meters! The object was immovable, and some time later a small disc in size of 5 meters flew out of it and then landed on Krasnovodskaya spit. Patrol boats rushed to that area, but when they reached the distance of 100 meters from the object, it took off and flew one kilometer away. This happened five times. Then the object flew up at a huge speed, reached the bigger disc, which finally flew away spaceward.
In the end of the 60s a secret laboratory of researching “flying objects” was created in the USSR. Among the laboratory’s tasks was researching anti-gravitation, but the research results were made secret. Its testing area was near the town of Kapustin Yar on purpose. In the end of June of 1971 the military could see over this area a black cigar-shaped flying object floating under the clouds at the altitude of 800 meters. The object was 25 meters long and had about 3 meters in diameter. It had neither stabilizers nor wings nor engines and was moving at the speed of 150 kilometers per hour producing no noise.
In 1978 году Soviet Ministry of Defense accepted Network MO program. Special military unit in the town of Mytishi was in charge of collecting data, and newly established “space troops” were designated to fight possible threat from space.

In the beginning of August 1987 five soldiers of Leningrad Military District went to the North of Karelia region on a special mission. They were required to guard the object of unknown origin. It was found on the territory of another military unit near the town of Vyborg. The item was 14 meters long, 4 meters wide, 2.5 meters high. The object had neither doors no hatches, and all attempts to open its hull were unsuccessful. The military tried to break off some object parts, but were only able to take some rods from its stern. In the end of September the object disappeared from the hangar without leaving a trace.


english.pravda.ru...



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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Well Soviets weren`t the only ones with that ufo conspiracy check out this one:

Nazi UFOs (German: Rundflugzeug, Diskus, Haunebu, Hauneburg-Geräte, VRIL, Andromeda-Geräte, Flugkreisel or ironically Reichsflugscheiben) refers to claims about advanced aircraft or spacecraft Nazi Germany supposedly developed during World War II and which Nazi scientists continued to develop afterwards. References to such craft appear mostly in fiction and conspiracy theory sources. These stories are often associated with esoteric Nazism, an ideology that supposes the possibility of Nazi restoration by supernatural or paranormal means.[1] These myths were likely inspired by historical German development of jet aircraft such as the Me 262, the Horten Ho 229, the guided missile V1 and the ballistic missile V2, the latter forming the basis for the early missile and space programs of both the Soviet Union and the United States.

Its said that nazis made ufos very weird



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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Yeah, it's kinda creepy but should a thing like that ever really be possible, imagine the possibilities.... Stalin's ape hybrid project



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 02:53 AM
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thanks for the reply mugen1005


Well Soviets weren`t the only ones with that ufo conspiracy


yes..exactly... Nazi Germany did have flying saucers


claims about advanced aircraft or spacecraft Nazi Germany supposedly developed during World War II and which Nazi scientists continued to develop afterwards.


there is no doubt in my mind that this did happen. it would not make any sense for Russia, to not want them to continue that line of work. they knew the Americans were getting many of the scientists and would need to stay competitive in military technology.


After the defeat of Germany, the allies did not find any evidence of the existence of this system. Soviet search teams were luckier. The Soviet Union not only discovered all of the documentation on the project, they found Irmana Mayer and his entire team of engineers who have taken refuge in a wine cellar on the outskirts of Berlin. They were then taken to the Soviet Union to continue their work.

www.ufodigest.com...



6,000 "Specialists" (a total of 20,000 people) were taken to Russia. However, the Germans rocket scientists that went to Russia loved the Russian country and its people.

www.scientistsandfriends.com...


Raum Augsburg Germany 1939











according to Nick Cook there were secret German underground complexes that were made inaccessible when WW 2 ended in 1945




interesting that the Battle of L.A. was in 1942 and the craft looks like that Saucer picture from Raum Augsburg Germany 1939





Its said that nazis made ufos very weird



Nick Cook also discussed the possibility that the "Foo Fighters" of WW2 seen by many pilots were also Nazi craft. many people will say the German pilots didn't know what they were either but maybe they weren't in the loop or had a need to know.

















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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:16 AM
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thanks for the link Magnivea

that picture is really bizzare looking. it made my brain hurt...


Stalin was a strange person no doubt.

i did a little searching and found that there is a lot of discussion about that cloning, and there's even a thread on it here on ATS.

www.google.com...

since Stalin was an Evolutionist...maybe he thought there was more to it than just creating super workers. i would think if the experiments did work, it might prove that man did evolve from apes. since it didn't work, what does that tell us ?....hmmmm


throwing in a wild card here:


Zecharia Sitchin tells us that the ancient Sumerians, the Anunnaki created Man to do their work. The God Marduk, also known as Enki, stated that he created a primitive worker and named him Man. He was to perform the toil that was needed to fulfill their plans. Great things needed to be accomplished. Great cities were to be built and Man was to supply the labor.3

The Sumerians called Man - lulu amelu, which literately means primitive worker or an awilum - laborer.

The Anunnaki encountered the ape-like creatures. They ate plants like sheep and drank water from ditches. They had shaggy hair over their entire body and wrestled with animals. Yet he was intelligent. He destroyed traps and filled in pits built to capture animals. He enjoyed the company of animals and is depicted on many cylinder seals as a shaggy ape-man with his animal friends.

They realized all they had to do was domesticate this ape-man. But this was not that easy. Man's physique had to be changed so that Man could literally replace the Anunnaki working in the fields and in the mines. He needed the ability to grip and manipulate tools. His brain size needed to be increased to enable speech centers. He must be able to communicate with the overlords. The only method known to the Nephilim was to genetically manipulate Man's DNA.

Although, the Anunnaki were scientifically tens of thousands of years more advanced than ancient Man, they still have problems creating the perfect Man. It was a trial and error process with many failures and few successes. But eventually, the shaggy ape-man was transformed into a creature that had a smooth and hairless body.


www.ufodigest.com...


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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by easynow
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throwing in a wild card here:


Zecharia Sitchin tells us that the ancient Sumerians, the Anunnaki created Man to do their work. The God Marduk, also known as Enki, stated that he created a primitive worker and named him Man. He was to perform the toil that was needed to fulfill their plans. Great things needed to be accomplished. Great cities were to be built and Man was to supply the labor.3

The Sumerians called Man - lulu amelu, which literately means primitive worker or an awilum - laborer.

The Anunnaki encountered the ape-like creatures. They ate plants like sheep and drank water from ditches. They had shaggy hair over their entire body and wrestled with animals. Yet he was intelligent. He destroyed traps and filled in pits built to capture animals. He enjoyed the company of animals and is depicted on many cylinder seals as a shaggy ape-man with his animal friends.

They realized all they had to do was domesticate this ape-man. But this was not that easy. Man's physique had to be changed so that Man could literally replace the Anunnaki working in the fields and in the mines. He needed the ability to grip and manipulate tools. His brain size needed to be increased to enable speech centers. He must be able to communicate with the overlords. The only method known to the Nephilim was to genetically manipulate Man's DNA.

Although, the Anunnaki were scientifically tens of thousands of years more advanced than ancient Man, they still have problems creating the perfect Man. It was a trial and error process with many failures and few successes. But eventually, the shaggy ape-man was transformed into a creature that had a smooth and hairless body.


www.ufodigest.com...


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That actually never even occurred to me, thanks for posting that. I've read ALOT of Sitchin and Sitchin related things, but I never made that connetcion.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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There does seem to be a strong correlation between secret Soviet-era space and missile events, and public UFO reports over there. Is it conceivable to anyone here that a lot of the reports are cause-and-effect consequences of the unusual aerial apparitions associated with the rocket events? Do you guys know what night-time rocket events can really look like?



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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There does seem to be a strong correlation between secret Soviet-era space and missile events, and public UFO reports over there. Is it conceivable to anyone here that a lot of the reports are cause-and-effect consequences of the unusual aerial apparitions associated with the rocket events? Do you guys know what night-time rocket events can really look like?


thanks Jim for posting,

even though i am on a learning curve and not as experienced as you in Russian ufology, i would have to agree with you from what i have read so far, that there does seem to be a correlation with missile launches and some of the ufo reports coming out of Russia. it doesn't take a rocket scientists to put the dates together and see what's happening.

www.astronautix.com...





Do you guys know what night-time rocket events can really look like?


well i can honestly say that yes i do know what a night time launch looks like but my history with that is limited to the nightime shuttle launches wich i can easily view out on my back porch. i have seen a few of them as well as the 1986 daytime Challenger disaster.

Broke my heart to see that happen
and it still bothers me to this day.


maybe some of these videos might be what your thinking about. some of them have ufo labels on them and they are clearly some type of rocket launch.



www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

so the the question that i am sure your quite familiar with is:

why do people so easily take these sightings out of context and put a ufo/alien tag on them ?

is it because they have no clue as to what they are seeing or just not informed as to when some of these launches are scheduled or are they just so pro ufo that everything is an alien spaceship to them ?

that would just be the general public. i don't think it's possible to ever put a stop to mis- identifications because of the above mentioned questions and lets face it...people want to make money off these ufo reports as well. profits have to high when producing a ufo documentrary so they are going to use what ever they can to hit a target audience.


the same might apply for these ufo reports coming out of Russia. i have been reading many articles about Russian ufo reports and of course your name is included in many of them.

this article you wrote Soviet Saucers is in my opinion spot on , and you clearly address some of the misconception problems with Russian ufology. good job on that




The pattern is clear. Time and again, secret launchings of Russian rockets have unleashed avalanches of classic UFO perceptions from the imaginative, excitable witnesses and their careless interviewers. And consistent with its origins, Russian UFO literature is still characterized by fantastic tales and an utter lack of research into possible explanations. "I have no doubts" is the most common figure of speech in the lexicon of Russian UFOlogists, and they are doubtlessly sincere, if arguably deluded. "Are UFOs real?" one was asked not long ago by American documentary filmmaker Bryan Gresh. "My colleagues and I don't even think that's a question," he responded. "Of course they are real!"



Behind all such distracting noise, the UFO problem remains a fascinating and elusive puzzle, worthy of serious research. But weeding out true UFOs from the overwhelming mass of "IFOs," or identified flying objects, is a difficult, time-consuming task, as Western UFOlogists have learned in the past half century. Their new Russian colleagues so far show no indication that they have even begun.



If these Russian UFO delusions only affected their own research, the silliness would do no worldwide harm. But the intellectual infection has spread far beyond borders and polluted UFO studies in other countries as well. These new commercial conspiracies between Russian tall-tale sellers and Western tall-tale tellers in the entertainment and pseudodocumentary industry will make it much worse.



well that just seems to be the problem, people will make up story's to sell for profit and i don't doubt that many of the ufo stories coming out of Russia are nothing but that.

so my question is:

is there a way to resolve this problem or are we forever going to be lost in these reports not knowing what is the truth because of desperation and greed ?

some of the reports have to be legit and it's sad that we might not ever know wich ones are real



another article i happened upon," Post Soviet Ufology -- A View From The Inside " found here also addresses the questionable ufo reports as well as your skeptism of them.


Such an evaluation is the more needed since at the present time two opposite viewpoints on the situation - over- enthusiastic and over-sceptic ones - have become widespread. Over-enthusiasts believe that declassified Soviet UFO data will solve the UFO problem and will prove the ET hypothesis; over- sceptics are certain that the Soviet UFO files contain only rubbish which is not worthy of serious analysis, and on the whole that cunning Russians are simply trying to earn the longed-for dollars, foisting on credulous Western ufologists fairy tales instead of real information. "In fact, given today's economic crisis in Russia, - exclaims the science writer James Oberg, - thousands of people of all classes, but particularly from the military services, are desperately seeking - or deliberately creating - anything that can sell to Western buyers with bucks. UFO files are one of the few exportable raw materials with a market in the West..."



But the "over-sceptics" are also wrong. In fact, this information is quite worthy of serious - and unprejudiced - analysis. In the 50-s, 60-s, and even in the 70-s the ufological "research field" in the USSR remained practically "clean", not contaminated by numerous sensational newspaper articles, so usual for the Western countries. Then a UFO observer in the Soviet Union rarely knew anything concrete about the established traits of the UFO appearance and behavior. At best, he knew that, according to the official point of view, UFOs did not exist; and if he made up his mind to send his report to a newspaper, a popular-scientific journal, an observatory, or directly to the Academy of Sciences, it meant he regarded the event as very unusual and worthy of complications.



J.Oberg rather arrogantly judges the post-Soviet ufology as if on behalf of the Western one. His criterion is simple: those who disagree with Mr. Oberg's opinion on the nature of some UFO (or rather psuedo-UFO) sightings are incompetent and must not be tolerated in the civilized society. "Serious UFOlogists will have to quarantine the obviously hopelessly infected UFO lore from Russia and disregard it all.


wow just wow



now this is exactly why i started this thread Jim, because this is a sad state for ufology and even though i can agree with your viewpoint that some bad apples are ruining the entire barrel, i can't just ignore everything from now on. i am frustrated by this situation and another hope of mine for this thread was to maybe find some reports that might be credible from other posters but i may have over estimated the power of ATS because so far nobody has even posted a link to just one story. sad it is.


since you are an expert on this subject....are there any ufo reports from Russia credible ? any ? just one ?

am i stuck deciding for myself if stories like this are real ?


ocation. Near Voronov, Russia

Date: August 1969

Time: morning

Heinrich Ivanovich was driving his motorcycle along the Kama River near a wooded area. On the side of the road he noticed a man who suddenly raised his hand as if saluting. Ivanovich slowed his motorbike and approached the stranger. As he approached he noticed a strange disc-shaped object on the ground close to the stranger. The stranger wore a grayish-metallic overall with thick-soled boots. The man did not wear a hat and had a short haircut. On his left hand he held a hose-like implement, which was apparently extracting water from the Kama River. He approached the stranger and both conversed in the Russian language mostly about the propulsion of the object. They also spoke about space constellations. At the end of the encounter the stranger asked Ivanovich to stay back from the object and to just observe it take off. The object had a semi-transparent green colored globular dome on top. As the stranger approached the object a door appeared on the dome and he entered it, the door the shut. The external disc immediately began to revolve and its outer rim became invisible. The object then rose into the sky and instantly disappeared into thin air.


www.waterufo.net...





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i think this ufo story about Aliens landing in a park is not true. the investigation showed it was just fake and i have read another report that i don't have the link to right now that said the children later in life admitted they made the whole thing up.

Voronezh UFO Landing
Date: September 27, 1989
Location: Voronezh, Russian Federation

www.abovetopsecret.com...


another bogus ufo story is from the Russian cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev who claimed he seen an unidentified craft while in Space








In April of 1979, Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev lifted off from Star City to dock with the Soviet Solyut 6 space station. But while en route, something strange happened. Cosmonaut Afanasyev saw an unidentified object turn toward his craft and begin tailing it through space.

"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely. It was an engineering structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away."

In addition to photographing the UFO, Afanasyev continually reported back to Mission Control about the craft's size, its shape and position. When the cosmonaut returned to earth he was debriefed and told never to reveal what he knew, and had his cameras and film confiscated.

Those photos and his voice transmissions from space have never been released.

It is only now, with the collapse of the Soviet Union that Afanasyev feels that he can safely tell his story.

"It is still classified as a UFO because we have yet to identify the object."


www.ufoevidence.org...







It seems we have now established, beyond a doubt, that Viktor Afanasyev was NOT a member of the Soyuz 33 crew. So...how could he possibly have witnessed an U.F.O. encounter in space during April 1979? Is/Was he actually a real Cosmonaut?



Afanasyev was indeed a Cosmonaut, with an enviable record of three six month stays aboard Mir, seven spacewalks, and a Taxi flight to ISSy. But, we can also see that he was accepted for Cosmonaut training with the second Buran group on 2 September 1985! That's more than six years AFTER he claims he saw an U.F.O. in orbit in April 1979! (More on Buran)

His very first flight into space didn't come until December 1990, some ELEVEN AND A HALF YEARS after his supposed on orbit meeting with an U.F.O.!

It should be obvious by now that Viktor Afanasyev was LYING about his space flight and U.F.O. encounter in April 1979. We have unequivacably proven that he wasn't on the Soyuz 33 flight. It casts a definate shadow on all of his other testimony, and begs questions about his motives. Was the man just trying to make some money, or was he deliberately planting disinformation? And if he was planting disinfo, under whose orders and why?

Once more, the Sightings quote: "When the cosmonaut returned to earth he was debriefed and told never to reveal what he knew..."

According to the above quote, Afanasyev disobeyed direct orders from his superiors by divulging "what he knew" publicly on AMERICAN television. Yet, less than two years AFTER his blatant disregard for orders, he flew to Mir as Commander of the final six month expedition crew (Mir 27). He was also permitted to be in Command of the Soyuz TM-33 taxi flight to the International Space Station in October 2001.

He appeared with his phony story on Sightings in 1997. He LIED about his record as a Cosmonaut. He LIED! There is no conceivable way his superiors in Russia didn't know, or at least find out, about the fact that he publicly lied about his flight record. So it seems a reasonable assumption that his story was pre-approved by someone in Moscow. Can you imagine an active duty US Astronaut LYING about his space flight record (AND publicly violating orders to keep a secret) on TELEVISION, and remaining in his job?

There is something very smelly about this incident, and the odor is not pleasant... It's a shame to see this one quoted and mirrored in so many, otherwise good, UFO information sites on the web.


www.projectprove.com...





why would this cosmonaut make up this story


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