"In 3 Weeks I Will Be Put to My Death"

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[edit on 4/8/2009 by Majic]

Originally posted by JensLekman
The Canadian government has no respect for the human rights of the citizens within its borders, I don't really see why you'd expect them to care about the fate of one not within them.

Well, since we're on the topic of generalizations anyway..... Kind of a broad statement to make dontcha think?



First and Foremost - Documented proof of death threats from her husband should be taken into account for this woman's situation, and she should perhaps appeal her refugee status ruling.

Second - In the event that nothing is done to help this woman, and she ends up being killed in her home country, I'll bet our fantastic government up here in Canuckia will receive some flack...

Third - I will cry for this woman, and I will be ashamed if the response from our Government is "I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do."

Should something be done for this woman? Absolutely. She is a person too.

Should this inequality crap be done away with in other Countries? Absolutely.

But pushing and shoving and telling them that "our way" is better - won't do anything but put more pressure in the wrong place - and the women will suffer.

The pressure needs to be applied to the Government. And the United Nations need to get off their collective bottoms if their Government does not respond, and help put a stop to these crimes against Humanity.



- Carrot

[edit on 4/7/2009 by CA_Orot]

I'm pretty certain she'll end up staying

[edit on 7-4-2009 by OpusMarkII]

How about if I kill my wife for cutting some guys hair, then run off to some extremeist place where this is against the law and punishable by death. (woman cutting mens hair). By all likely hood I should be safe there yes? That is total BS.

Send her back and let HER deal with HER laws that SHE Broke and KNEW the consequenses. We have enough hanger ons here and this one is a known criminal. Maybe not by our standards, but by the standars she grew up learning.

I hate this run for the safe border crap. Murderers in the US have been doing it for decades, beause Canada opposes the death penalty. It's BS.

I agree the means of excecution could be a bit less "cruel", but hey she knew em her whole life probably even had a few friends hoisted up on a crane.

We need to take care ofAmerica and not babysit extremist lawbreakers. If we are ever in the position to do something about this fine. But we aren't right now, sorry, no pass for her

On a side note she should have let before commiting a crime punishable by death perhaps????


[edit on 7-4-2009 by Nola213]

reply to post by ATSGUY

Most governments aren't concerned with the loss of even one life unless it's one of their own. Unfortunately can't say I'm surprised. Saying that alot lately.

Anyone consider that she's using this as a last resort to stay in the country?

I love how hard you all will claim to fight for one womans life, while your government kills 1000's elsewhere and ignore millions in africa, seriously.

Originally posted by Mekanic
If it is part of her culture, then she was fully aware of it before she left. While I don't condone her being killed, you can't forcibly change a person's culture. And how do we know that she isn't just telling this story to get out of deportation?

A human life should always supersede any cultural rituals of convenience concerning one sex and not the other. A culture or ritual is no excuse to kill a person, when prison is more than sufficient (although even that is pretty extreme).Why can't she just live her life? Who made her husband her god? I say this because, it seems to be a god decision to decide whether one should live or die simply because you don't agree with what they do with their life. No wonder the world thinks Pakistanis are nut cases.......it seems to be ostensible.

Hmmm! Something is afoot here. Is this woman being deported because she is an illegal immigrant? If she can substantiate that her ex-husband is an extremist and she is in genuine threat, why can she not apply for asylum in the usual way? If he is an extremist, which does suggest that he maybe the eqivalent of the KKK and the JDL, she could tip off the Pakistani authorities and US government and have him dealt with.

I suspect that she may have already tried this ruse with the Canadian authorities when her legal status was questioned by Canadian immigration and rejected.

Also 'honor-killings', as practised in Pakistan, is not conducted by the exes but by blood relatives dependant upon the cause of divorce. This is a tribal and primitive practise and is thoroughly un-Islamic.

So in the end you have to judge the article according to the motives of the parties concerned.

[edit on 083030p://pm3018 by masonwatcher]

First, let me say that my heart bleeds for this woman and that above all else I do believe that she should be granted asylum. But, to further the discussion, women in Iraq, Afganistan, etc., are often murdered, raped, beaten, and publicly disgraced/shunned whenever they do anything that their husband or "male escort" don't approve of. Don't you think the women in Iraq beg and plead for mercy right before they are beaten? This is the never ending problem....we can't take them all in here, forcibly changing their culture, or trying to, doesn't appear to be working either. So what is the answer? If we start granting asylum to all Islamic/Muslim women (perhaps I should have added extremists?) who are afraid of their husbands the number would most likely be staggering. Is the trick to what we are saying: "If you can get here (US, Canada, England, etc.) we'll keep you safe?" I'm asking the question honestly since I view this woman (that I still believe should be granted asylum) as a single example of a much larger problem.

As was recently the case in Vancouver, an Indian man who entered the country illegally refused to leave, even though he admitted to entering the country with a forged passport. It took 7 years to finally remove him, but not before there were many rally's against his deportation.

All too often the deportee claims, "I'll be killed", "I won't receive decent medical care", or some other such thing in the efforts to bleed the country for it's resources. Although this may sound bad, when you live in Canada and see that YOU have become the outsider and YOUR opinion no longer matters because the liberals have allowed a completely slanted immigration policy, you will quickly tire of these same claims.

If your country will kill you for cutting someones hair, or because you let your hair show, or had sex after a divorce, when you migrate, follow the rules, pay the fee's, learn the language and ASSIMILATE.

In the event that this person will really be killed for such a trivial cause, then she is one of many that will be required to change that countries culture. Sure, they don't have to change their way of life, but we in Canada don't HAVE to take in every freaking person from a crap country. I mean, the same could be said about Mexico right? the poor poor locals there are only looking for a better life in the USA, if they go back, the coyotes and the drug lords might kill them as well.

Thanks for reading.
..Ex

Canada probably has the best human rights record in the world, you will not find another country with a better track record. After they find out if this is legit or not they will make a decision and if this is true i can guarantee you 100% she will stay. 2 year ago in a suburb of Toronto a Pakistan teenage girl was killed by her father and brother because she refused to wear the head dressing worn by Muslim women.

www.jihadwatch.org...

She was a Canadian citizen and wanted to live like a Canadian citizen, she just wanted to fit in with the other teenagers and her father and brother killed her based on a law from another country and religion.

If this ladies husband was in Canada she would already be dead, by the sounds of it some Muslims don't care where they are in the world they live by their own laws all the time and disrespect the country they are in. here is another example

www.nydailynews.com...

all 3 of these crimes are within 60 miles of each other. it is a pathetic way of life thinking you can just kill another person based on what you think. This culture and way of life is no better then the Nazis. "Hey, this guy is doing something different GET HIM" or "This guy doesn't look the same as us, maybe we should kill him".

These people need to learn to be humans and be unique among one another, I believe in Jesus but im not gonna name all my kids Jesus and im not gonna grow long hair like he did and wear a toga all day, im myself and i will not be controlled by fear or other people.

She will not get sent back because the story of the teenage girl Aqsa Parvez is still all to fresh in the minds of the people of southern Ontario and we know how much of a reality this really is.

reply to post by lpowell0627


Women in Iraq and Afghanistan or any other Muslim country you may care to mention are just like women in the US and Canada; they don't like to be beaten or murdered. You might like to know that the men of these countries are not at war with their women, however, their country has been invaded by the US and Canada with both men and women are beaten and killed by the tens of thousands. So you really have to consider who the savages are.

As for you 'male escort' you term, you will find them in US and Canadian publications and they provide illicit services for males of your country. I think what you are confusing cultural etiquettes and the behaviour of men and women in certain circumstances with the oppression of women as advertised by MSM for your consumption in times of foriegn wars and occupation.

reply to post by RPRevolver


Jihadwatch is just like Jewwatch; a redoubt for bigots, racists and all round propagandised haters.

Canadians are very tolerant of every culture. Would you take a cop seriously if he was wearing a turban and was middle eastern, if i don't i end up in Jail. Muslims won the right to wear turbans in Police uniform in Canada, do you think that would ever happen in the US because I don't.

Im just using that link for the story, it doesnt make it not true and that happened 30 min from Mississauga, where this story is happening, i live in this area and we all know how real this can be.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by RPRevolver]

Originally posted by RPRevolver
Canadians are very tolerant of every culture. Would you take a cop seriously if he was wearing a turban and was middle eastern, if i don't i end up in Jail. Muslims won the right to wear turbans in Police uniform in Canada, do you think that would ever happen in the US because I don't.

Are you sure you are not confused or perhaps misinformed? Can you cite a reference?

I think you believe that turbans are religions clothing for Muslims with rights of entitlement. The only religion that identifies turbans as religious head wear are Sikhs and have no relations to the Islamic faith.

I do recall just after 9/11 a turban wearing Sikh man was chased down and murdered while being called a terrorist. This 'patriotic killing' of an innocent man was based upon his skin colour and turban, so I am not surprised at you declaration that you could not respect a police man wearing a turban wholly based on your preference of head dress and the baggage you bring a long.

[edit on 073030p://pm3011 by masonwatcher]

I was under the impression that the Canadian government was extremely liberal with its immigration policies; perhaps why she left the US for there? You would think that if there were ANY proof at all of her predicament, they would grant refugee status. Which makes me wonder if there is more to this story than we know; perhaps a play for the emotional appeal?

That aside, sad that she felt she had to leave the United States that was once the land of “Give me your tired and your poor, your restless masses yearning to breath free…” (Think I got that quote right). In the rush to halt illegal immigration, we have forgotten that we are a nation of immigrants, especially refugee immigrants fleeing such unspeakable repression as this woman faces. Furthermore, I have noticed that immigrants fleeing such intolerable repression make the best new citizens, as they VALUE freedom. One need only visit the Russian Christian community in Ohio to see how they appreciate their new home after fleeing Soviet Communist Christian oppression.

[edit on 4/7/2009 by SGTChas]

reply to post by ATSGUY


lol. I love how funny some of you are. YOU all are so FOR being culturally sensitive and bla bla bla liberal all this ...but when it comes to this you get angry. LOL
here is the facts.

their religion is freaking CRAZY.. lol. get over it. NO BIG DEAL.
why are you surprised? why do you care? Nature is not fair. one animal is born with one leg, onother with one eye, another with all eyes and legs..
one dies in 3 months, one lives for a long time.

dont get me wrong. IT SUX that she has to die, but thats the way it rolls baby.. she has a CHOICE.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE.
she can try to run away now, go to a different country. etc... so much.

so messed up and yet so funny. thats their religion for you. and anyone that tells u their religion is peacefull is completely CRAZY. or should I say...DELUSIONAL.

reply to post by mazzroth


You know, it's great that people call all Muslims extremists, just because they have laws we don't agree with.

Look I don't agree with killing innocent people for honor, that makes no sense. But it's their culture and their laws and if that's what it is, then that's what it is.

The MSM just loves to show extremists and run stories about how they are taking over the West and try to instill their Islamic laws onto us. It's never going to happen, our countries are built too strong and the systems in place will not be taken down easily.

I think it's very ignorant for anybody to call a Muslim and extremist unless he's blowing himself up in a market or throwing acid on some school girls.

Come on folks, these are people just like any of us, they've simply been raised with another set of rules. They might be outdated, but that's the way it is, we can't change their culture in those countries.

Only when they decide they want to live by another system with equal rights and everything else that comes with a democratic system (including the corruption ) will they act that way.

They are victims of their environment, government and religion. I agree that we should be helping this women instead of sending her to her death, but let's not forget that things are different everywhere, whether we like it or not, crap happens.

Granted the government could afford to have a few extra citizens since our country has a space as large as the US and only having 33 Million Canadians, it's a small tax base.

But as I said, it's not the individual we must focus on, it's the state of that country we must deal with.

~Keeper

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[edit on 4/7/2009 by tothetenthpower]

reply to post by RPRevolver


I think you mean Sikhs, who are not Muslims. Muslims don't wear turbans.