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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi


I think anyone that does that would probably have advised both of us we are arguing with a kids who thinks ATS is some video game where the one wth the most talking points, stars and high fives from the peanut gallery of sock puppets wins. I know the type scorand and jf deltablob etc. They like using lots of these I see. "
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kinda redundant like saying, : I'm laughing at you ,I'm laughing at I'm laughing at you ,you ,I'm laughing at you ,I'm laughing at you ,I'm laughing at you ,. Then I guess it is supposed to make us really really angry Grrrrrr lol .

Me,, I think it's a pitiful silly thing to do but what ever floats their boats or,,

lets them think they "gotcha!" Grrrrr


Good Posts Tom,.



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What the hell is all this. You didn't even relate to the topic at hand you are going to sit there and dog somebody, because they have different views then yourself, and then your going to act like nothings wrong. As you so eloquently put it mon ami "I think anyone that does that would probably have advised both of us we are arguing with a kids who thinks ATS is some video game where the one wth the most talking points, stars and high fives from the peanut gallery of sock puppets wins."

Then you wouldnt be here in the first place. You come in here talking complete and total nonsence, just to get on the bad side of somebody. Then you want to turn around and act like you are totally justified.

-gestures at Aermacci- Everyone.... This... is a bigot.... A hypocrate, and a lowdown heathen.... They say "thou shall not suffer a witch to live."
because we "Spit lies and spin falses". Though I can look aermacci down and know he isn't pagan. He acts, just like that. How us witches and gays are misconstrued, as Devious, full of Malice and spite. Stuck up and snobby. Closed-minded. I was told of ATS by my mentor. No i don't think this is a game. I could care less about the stars and the points. the fancy ass ranking that I may have. What I care about is finding my own personal truth and thats all you should be focused on as well. Not making other peoples lives harder just because you're cruel and sadistic. A low down dirty person.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by jfj123


You missed the entire point of my argument. I'm stunned

No, I do not suggest that being gay is not genetic.

I stated that those who believe being gay is a choice, must apply it to themselves. If, as you probably believe, being gay is a choice and nothing more, then everyone must be both gay and straight including you. This means YOU want to sleep with other men but don't because you believe that choice is wrong.



So you admit then that you know it is genetic.

Prove it!



It's like talking to a brick wall with a disability.


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It is isn't it.

I was going to point out some reality of how Christians behaved in the timeframes aforementioned.

But then what's the point, if they believe the planets geological record and research which has been repeated many times, showing it's billions of years old not a few thousand, is a huge lie perpetrated by scientists etc.

What's the point, they are so deluded and brainwashed nothing will penetrate their retarded understandings of history.

Brick walls with mental disabilities, indeed!!!

No matter how much archaeological records reveal something very different happened back then, so obviously perpetrated by the Christians, the wholesale slaughter of pagans and destruction of so much ancient knowledge we are only just starting to catch up on the curve.

Wouldn't make a shred of difference because these deluded fanatics will only believe what is written in books of metaphor that they interperet for their own warped agendas, not the realities, with truth obfuscated by the church heirachies with too much influence they are able to influence cover ups all too easily with the excuse "it will destroy the church and the establishment" which is self serving protectionism to hide the truth, happens year in year out worldwide.

[Hopefully, with a socialist New World Order, the church will be kicked into touch and the masses enlightened as to many realities not yet realised by the many (Edit: To a degree.), the truths are so different to the projected facades people are given to believe at present.]


I am a pagan, i'm descended from ancient Celts and even have an ancient megalith stone circle associated with my linneage, at Dooncarton, Co Mayo, Eire, my ancestory has alway been West Eire.

But i don't blindly accept everything is as my ancestors perceived, i accept we evolve in knowledge and our perceptions are very different as we ascend the timeline to the present, thousands of years later and as a Neopagan i adjust the concepts in our beliefs accordingly, i accept my ancestors were primative and we today have greater understandings than those before us.

We evolve, us pagans and to point out the obvious, We Don't Sacrifice Anybody Anymore, Haven't Done So For A Long Time Now, It Isn't Necessary Because We Understand Metaphysics And Temporal Mechanics!


Whereas some Christians seem intent on throwing everybody back into the stone age again, either that or inviting mass annihilation via the Rapture, wanting to ruddy well cause it, repeating the same BS they did a couple of thousand years back, give or take a few hundred.

[People are sacrificed in the name of Christ by Christian sects in the present though, in case they interfere with prophecy and such, all by the delusion of Devine Right,, even Mafia hits are carried out in the name of your one god and get blessed by the pope, etc etc.]

Dangerous people man, dangerous people!

They wish to remain devolved, perhaps they should do so privately on a remote island somewhere!

Most people wish to advance and prevail to the future!

Paxus.





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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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I think it's wonderful religion should be censored but a hate crime to bash Islam? I think a lot of us on this site (and many logical individuals) will be locked up in no time...

Religion to me is nothing but a terrible disease but having your right to free speech removed is absolutely sickening.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Well I think Christians did bring this on themselves. if you ever catch their talk shows TV and Radio their always making off color remarks about whatever group their gunning after at the moment...

Our local news recently tried to start a dialog on gay marriage. The station was flooded with calls from Christians making threats against anyone who supported the bill...

I listened to their rants and I swear I was sure they had their white sheets cleaned and pressed had a few wooden crosses all ready to burn in peoples yards and most likely already picked out a nice sturdy lynching tree.

TO make matter all the worse rather than preach a little brother love and understanding their ministers were openly inciting these folks to take drastic action! No this was a long time in coming and their hate mongering brought it down on themselves



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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jif123,

Wow!! Are you sure about this...that this is your position??


Which made the children victims and not sinners.

You got off subject here. We were talking about a christian god who, according to you, condemns innocent newborns. Remember now?


You are openly telling people out here who know God's pattern and template that you are not only not Catholic but also not Christian.

THe expression/ phrase/doctrine from the Bible ..is that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...all..not some innocent etc etc...not victims et al. This includes Christian...in case you did not know.

Not Christian and not Catholic means Pagan. Hence I use the history also of the Nations which surrounded Ancient Israel and for whom the Ancient Israelis were told to not do as the nations surrounding them did.
The pattern is so often to ridicule and speak badly of the Christian beliefs ..both from the Old Testament and the New Testament while avoiding what was going on in other nations ..as if it went on in Ancient Israel and among Christians. People attempting to go in this direction always are selective about history. Predictable.

Once again you misquote misdirect, and in this manner deceive to make your points..very provincial. THere is a larger and pertinent history out here. A history for which if more people knew ...would put Light on much of what we see around us ..including this hate speech legislation.

As I have stated before in a previous post..all they are attempting to do is make...the children of the bond woman ...heir with the children of the free woman.

One can tell this by the over concern about who and who is not condemned.

You are asking my position on condemnation...a process which is outside my power and jurisdiction.

Furthermore ..I told you that you hold the worlds position, the worlds thinking, and the worlds values...then you protest when I bring up the worlds history to round out your provincialness. Interesting reaction. Not smart and not intelligent.

And furthermore ..of what history I speak is also found in God's Word if you know where to look and read. Yet ironically you protest about it ...as if it is not iin existance..not consequential. It most certainly is consequential. We are indeed talking about God and God's Word here. Once again..I told you that you need practice.

In case you missed it...many of these pagan nations...the children of the daughters of Lot...were already killing and condemming thier own children in thier religious ceremonies. Hence the concept that the land was already defiled.

What is so starkly ironic is that in discussion boards like this many non believers want to totally ignore this history. They only tell of thier beliefs and prejudices. For those of us who know the history of this world and the religions of this world including the patterns of the Occult religions...positions like yours and others..dont make good nonsense.

Knowing this, I will always paint a bigger picture of the history such that those who can see hear and understand ...will begin to see the seeds of sucn decpetion...and including the purpose of this hate speech legislation.

THe essence of all pagan religions is advancing by degrees in the wisdom of this world ...to godhood..demigods in this world.

Feudal power behind the priesthoods..even in the pagan religions...the religions practiced by the Nations surrounding Ancient Israel...were always after this pattern. What is not known by most ..even by most Chrisitians ...is that this pattern of demigods still exists today. It never died out and is attempting to be revived ..brought back ...by wisdom, sophism, by gnostic practices. By intelligences...by rampant sexuality....by drugs..pharmakia. Pharmakia...is also the Greek word for Sorcery.

Those who read and understand certain patterns in history also know that many of the ancient pagan religions used drugs, sexuality, logic and reason in their justifications..just as many are doing today. Nothing changed here.

What you do not see is this pattern of the pagans ..encouraged in the Word. Hence the come out from amongst them and be ye seperate doctrine..both Olde and New Testaments.

And this is what the world considers hating...to seperate from and speak of the reasons for this. In the future ...what I post here and others who know the history of this world are wont to post..will become hate speech. Never to be known by most peoples. This is easily predictable.

Thanks to all for thier posts,
Orangetom



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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and people who think as you seem to.. dont seem to understand that you disreguard what jesus taught to suit your own desires. not to mention that you are worshiping church docturine and not the son or the father.. some of you people seem to have a superiority complex.. and no matter what the facts state you will manpulate the bible to suit your ideals.. just like the king james and some church leaders from way back.. you ignore the fallacies and flat out distortions and still have the balls to claim your morally better than anyone else. you claim its gods moral template, but when you check out the history and the facts, its shown that church dogma is the template. and then we hear a whole lot of bs excuses.. now not all christians or believers do this but it is obvious that this ideology is alive and well... remember those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repete it



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by scorand
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and people who think as you seem to.. dont seem to understand that you disreguard what jesus taught to suit your own desires. not to mention that you are worshiping church docturine and not the son or the father.. some of you people seem to have a superiority complex.. and no matter what the facts state you will manpulate the bible to suit your ideals.. just like the king james and some church leaders from way back.. you ignore the fallacies and flat out distortions and still have the balls to claim your morally better than anyone else. you claim its gods moral template, but when you check out the history and the facts, its shown that church dogma is the template. and then we hear a whole lot of bs excuses.. now not all christians or believers do this but it is obvious that this ideology is alive and well... remember those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repete it


And repeat it, and repeat it, ad nauseum.

The entire tone of OrangeTom's post is intended to make any sheep we may have diverted from the flock with our talk of abominations drop to their knees and listen intently as he brings God's word from "On High". Can I have an "AMEN".

What he fails's to grasp is that he has not proven it to be God's word. Nor will he ever be able to. It is the word of Men. Neither God nor Jesus wrote one word of it. It was written long after the fact, and with a clear agenda. There is a reason they cling to the word "Faith" it is all they have, proof is non-existent.

No ammount of "Fire and brimstone" will bring some of the sheep back to the flock. Those sheep will forever be labelled "Black Sheep" by the "All-Seeing Eye" of OT. (Now that's funny Orange Tom = OT Old Testament = OT, coincidence? Either way, they are interchangeable, and they speak the same language)

The Christian theory and the Christian practice are ALWAYS light years apart. Anyone not brainwashed by the cult can see this. It is a Plain Truth.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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scorand,

Wow!! do you ever have a big case of insecurity and the victim dictum masked as aggression.

Observe here,


and people who think as you seem to.. don't seem to understand that you disregard what jesus taught to suit your own desires. not to mention that you are worshiping church doctrine and not the son or the father.. some of you people seem to have a superiority complex..


You are being very vague here. What part of Jesus teachings am I disregarding?? Specifics please?

Superiority complex. News to me. I stand up for a Biblical position and you claim superiority. Strange conduct on your part. Hence my use of More Victim Dictum.



and no matter what the facts state you will manipulate the bible to suit your ideals.. just like the king james and some church leaders from way back.. you ignore the fallacies and flat out distortions and still have the balls to claim your morally better than anyone else


Wow!! Once again..here ...you have insecurity masked as aggression. No problem with me here. I merely note it for those who see hear and understand. No where have I ever made the claim to morality or superiority. I told specifically told jif 123 that I deserve hell and damnation and God would be perfectly right and just in doing so.
Now how you get superiority and morality out of that ...beats me. You have some issues scorand.

It is no problem if you disagree with me..you are entitled to your views..remember the First Amendment? Just be ready for a dissenting view or opinion.
Notice that I do not imply or try to paint what you say or state as Hate speech. Why do you suppose that is?? I think like jif123 ...you need some practice.

You are not debating the specific points I am making from history but merely making general statements. No problem here..but once again..noted.

Is it true that people are more than sexuality and sexual orientation??

You see ..we can begin here if we want to have meaningful discourse.

Oh..by the way..scorand, you bring up an interesting point. Why is it that people on the world's position ..seem so often to dislike and disapprove of the King James Version of the Bible? I am curious about this. Is there another version of the Bible of which you favor??

UrsusMajor,


What he fails's to grasp is that he has not proven it to be God's word. Nor will he ever be able to. It is the word of Men. Neither God nor Jesus wrote one word of it. It was written long after the fact, and with a clear agenda. There is a reason they cling to the word "Faith" it is all they have, proof is non-existent.


I should let you know ..as well as others that I do not post so much for you and those of your belief system..but to believers to show them how the pattern works. Most of this is indeed not for you. Sorry to note that you should think it so.
I am well aware that when I post in here that dead people will be reading and commenting on my posts. No problem once again on this.
My posts are not for the dead so much as they are for the living. For you see..those versed in the Word would understand this.

I may be presuming to much here in thinking that people of gnosis, logic, and reason would understand this. No problem again.


Thanks,
Orangetom





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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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interesting way of looking at it.. since your the one whos spouting all of this.. i'm sure all you have to do is to look back at previous posts,

and its typical for you to attack my supposed insecurity,, with out any evedence what so ever.. i'm sure anyone with half a brain cell can see whos insecure..

right wing nutters love to spew disinfo like this, then to avoid any acountablity they claim devine mandate.. but upon closer inspection it falls apart.. if you wish to use tactics like that blow hard rush. then expect to have an attiude thrown back at ya.. step off of your high horse it does little to add to the thread.. and spouting opinion lilke its fact doesnt either..



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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I know im guilty of this, but guys please can we stay on the topic. Scor.... I know that the Christians are getting under your skin. They're getting under mine as well. They think they can undermine everything we seek to gain, but nows not the time. What i see here is a virtual crusade. Spreading the book of King James, to those "unenlightened" and if they refuse to be brainwashed, kill them.

Ignore it. This was a very interesting thread before Aermacci and Tom started spewing their faith at everybody. That's where they try and get at us. Thats why they say they're superior. If you play into their hand, then they got you by the strings for nothing more than mere entertainment. We could all hope that they'll just leave. Then again we know that Christians aren't ones to back off like they were meant to. Like they were preached to by their so called "God" and his son "Jesus". Hell Lucifer was like Jesus in the fact that he himself was made in the Perfect image of "God". So can we be so bold as in to think that maybe their messiah himself is in fact Lucifer.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by TheDustman
The only thing in that article that actually mentioned anything being censored states "No more will your pastor be able to declare the truth about Islam or homosexuality because it will be considered a hate crime. ", which dosen't affect most of us.



You know this is so funny, because the whole time I spent in church many churches, not once did a pastor talk about homosexuals or Islam.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by TheDustman
The only thing in that article that actually mentioned anything being censored states "No more will your pastor be able to declare the truth about Islam or homosexuality because it will be considered a hate crime. ", which dosen't affect most of us.



You know this is so funny, because the whole time I spent in church many churches, not once did a pastor talk about homosexuals or Islam.

[edit on 023030p://bMonday2009 by Stormdancer777]


Nor when I was smaller. I'd go with my friends to what I now call the pit. "it was the basement where they had sunday school" Never did they bash religions nor tell you that these people were to be hated, but nowadays you can't go to church without hearing hate speech.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999

UrsusMajor,


What he fails's to grasp is that he has not proven it to be God's word. Nor will he ever be able to. It is the word of Men. Neither God nor Jesus wrote one word of it. It was written long after the fact, and with a clear agenda. There is a reason they cling to the word "Faith" it is all they have, proof is non-existent.



I should let you know ..as well as others that I do not post so much for you and those of your belief system..but to believers to show them how the pattern works. Most of this is indeed not for you. Sorry to note that you should think it so.


I should note that I post as I do to show those "seeking" that there is another path other then the bigoted homophobic path you have chosen. I do so to show those who have seen the obvious intent of the Christian scripture. It is meant for those who have moved beyond blind faith into a realm of reality. I do not expect you to understand or even fathom it. My posts are not meant for you. I apologize if you thought they were.


I am well aware that when I post in here that dead people will be reading and commenting on my posts. No problem once again on this.
My posts are not for the dead so much as they are for the living. For you see..those versed in the Word would understand this.


Sorry, a piece of my finger fell off while I was typing this. Happens all the time to us "Dead People".

Now, what were you saying to the living? I will translate for the dead.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan
so obviously perpetrated by the Christians, the wholesale slaughter of pagans and destruction of so much ancient knowledge we are only just starting to catch up on the curve.

Just a few tiny examples of what you've mentioned
The burning of the Library at Alexandria
The Inquisitions
The Salem witch trials
Jonestown
Waco
etc....
etc....

Oh and here are a few example of things done in the name of God throughout the ages


After the victim's mouth was forced open, his tongue was slowly sliced into shreds by the serrated iron blades of a TONGUE SLICER.



A bench held the victim immobile while all the skin was slowly torn from his body with a scalpel-like instrument. Salt was rubbed into the raw flesh



The favorite torture of the Spanish Inquisition was TORTURE BY FIRE. The victim was bound to a bench and his bare feet were immobilized in a wooden stocks. The soles of the feet (the most heat-sensitive skin in the human body) were smeared with lard and broiled over red-hot coals until the flesh was charred from the bones. A fresh coat of lard was frequently reapplied to make sure the feet baked nice and slowly.



A COPPER BOOT was fitted over the naked foot and slowly filled with boiling oil or molten lead. Alternatively, the boot could be filled with cool water and then heated over a fire.



This IRON SPIDER was heated red-hot and used to tear off the breasts of female victims.

www.geocities.com...

and on and on and on.
All in the name of god.

Kinda makes you glad you're not a christian huh???



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I think it's wonderful religion should be censored but a hate crime to bash Islam? I think a lot of us on this site (and many logical individuals) will be locked up in no time...

Religion to me is nothing but a terrible disease but having your right to free speech removed is absolutely sickening.



It would be sickening to lose the right of free speech regardless of what that speech is. However, not to worry as the bill has nothing to do with restricting free speech of any kind. The OP has mislead you and many others into thinking that christians will be censored but that's simply not true. And if you don't believe me, simply read the bill and you'll know I'm telling you the truth and the OP has mislead you.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC
I know im guilty of this, but guys please can we stay on the topic. Scor.... I know that the Christians are getting under your skin. They're getting under mine as well. They think they can undermine everything we seek to gain, but nows not the time. What i see here is a virtual crusade. Spreading the book of King James, to those "unenlightened" and if they refuse to be brainwashed, kill them.

Ignore it. This was a very interesting thread before Aermacci and Tom started spewing their faith at everybody. That's where they try and get at us. Thats why they say they're superior. If you play into their hand, then they got you by the strings for nothing more than mere entertainment. We could all hope that they'll just leave. Then again we know that Christians aren't ones to back off like they were meant to. Like they were preached to by their so called "God" and his son "Jesus". Hell Lucifer was like Jesus in the fact that he himself was made in the Perfect image of "God". So can we be so bold as in to think that maybe their messiah himself is in fact Lucifer.

[edit-grammer]


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Indeed brother.

To engage in an altercating cycle of their self serving validations abusing the bible to their own end, after we've made a main point, is a futile road to travel, it's how they try to lose people in utter nonsense.

Afford little purchase!

Paxus.


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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
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Which made the children victims and not sinners.

You got off subject here. We were talking about a christian god who, according to you, condemns innocent newborns. Remember now?



You are openly telling people out here who know God's pattern and template that you are not only not Catholic but also not Christian.

Now you're just rambling.


THe expression/ phrase/doctrine from the Bible ..is that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...all..not some innocent etc etc...not victims et al. This includes Christian...in case you did not know.

Depends on your interpretation and it depends whether or not you believe everything in the bible is 100% accurate and correct. The bible was not written by god but by man and in addition is a compilation of stories that have been modified, interpreted and translated over the centuries.


Once again you misquote misdirect, and in this manner deceive to make your points..very provincial.

Once again, you blather on without making a real point. I've not lied about anything I've said. I have not attempted to deceive anyone. You on the other hand have made very transparent attempts to misdirect and change the subject to avoid answering questions which reflect negatively on your arguments.


THere is a larger and pertinent history out here. A history for which if more people knew ...would put Light on much of what we see around us ..including this hate speech legislation.

There is no hate speech legislation. Stop lying please. We've been over this.


As I have stated before in a previous post..all they are attempting to do is make...the children of the bond woman ...heir with the children of the free woman.

bond...james bond....


One can tell this by the over concern about who and who is not condemned.

You are asking my position on condemnation...a process which is outside my power and jurisdiction.

With your ego, I'm surprised you admit that anything is outside your power and jurisdiction as you've already indicated that you understand the word of god better then the majority of all christians on the planet earth.


And furthermore ..of what history I speak is also found in God's Word if you know where to look and read. Yet ironically you protest about it ...as if it is not iin existance..not consequential. It most certainly is consequential. We are indeed talking about God and God's Word here. Once again..I told you that you need practice.

Once again, I see you're using your indoctrination phrases such as trying to put me one the defensive by trying to talk down to me, "you need practice". Oh please



In case you missed it...many of these pagan nations...the children of the daughters of Lot...were already killing and condemming thier own children in thier religious ceremonies. Hence the concept that the land was already defiled.

You simply don't understand what I am saying with regard to this. I'm not sure that explaining it for a 4th time would be worth MY time. I MAY get back to you on this if I can stomach walking you through this AGAIN. I'll let you know if I think it's worth my time.


What is so starkly ironic is that in discussion boards like this many non believers want to totally ignore this history. They only tell of thier beliefs and prejudices. For those of us who know the history of this world and the religions of this world including the patterns of the Occult religions...positions like yours and others..dont make good nonsense.

Again, I like the way you try and elevate yourself above the rest of us by attempting to explain how ignorant we are and how smart you are
Good luck passing that one off with ANYONE here



Knowing this, I will always paint a bigger picture of the history such that those who can see hear and understand ...will begin to see the seeds of sucn decpetion...and including the purpose of this hate speech legislation.

Except there is no hate speech legislation



THe essence of all pagan religions is advancing by degrees in the wisdom of this world ...to godhood..demigods in this world.

My shoes are brown. This sentence is as pointless as yours



Feudal power behind the priesthoods..even in the pagan religions...the religions practiced by the Nations surrounding Ancient Israel...were always after this pattern. What is not known by most ..even by most Chrisitians ...is that this pattern of demigods still exists today. It never died out and is attempting to be revived ..brought back ...by wisdom, sophism, by gnostic practices. By intelligences...by rampant sexuality....by drugs..pharmakia. Pharmakia...is also the Greek word for Sorcery.

Wow thats neat ! Has NOTHING to do with our conversation.


Those who read and understand certain patterns in history also know that many of the ancient pagan religions used drugs, sexuality, logic and reason in their justifications..just as many are doing today. Nothing changed here.

But you, an enlightened being, knows better right ? If only we had an intellect comparable to someone such as yourself, we could begin to understand how little we understand and how much you know



What you do not see is this pattern of the pagans

Yet another attempt to place yourself on a pedestal
Of course YOU see this pattern but since we're not as wise as yourself, we can't grasp your teachings



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
-big case of insecurity
-victim dictum
-need more practice
-body politic
-the children of the bond woman ...heir with the children of the free woman.

These phrases keep getting repeated over and over in post after post. This is beyond coincidence.
This is a good indication of indoctrination through repetition.
AKA brainwashing.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by TheDustman
The only thing in that article that actually mentioned anything being censored states "No more will your pastor be able to declare the truth about Islam or homosexuality because it will be considered a hate crime. ", which dosen't affect most of us.



You know this is so funny, because the whole time I spent in church many churches, not once did a pastor talk about homosexuals or Islam.

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Nor when I was smaller. I'd go with my friends to what I now call the pit. "it was the basement where they had sunday school" Never did they bash religions nor tell you that these people were to be hated, but nowadays you can't go to church without hearing hate speech.


And I've never been to a church where everyone beat on a gay person while yelling "I hate you cause you a fag".
You see, this is the only way christians might be censored by this bill.

I'm personally tired of a few individuals trying to misrepresent (LIE) about what the bill actually says.

If someone doesn't want to be affected by this bill all they need to do is not commit a hate crime. Is that so hard for some of us?
Now I'm not talking about hate speech because we know that the KKK has been spewing hate speech for decades but are not prosecuted for it. If hate speech were prosecutable, the KKK, airian nation, black panthers, etc... would not exist.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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As semper suggested, back to the topic:


According to FBI statistics, of the over 113,000 hate crimes since 1991, 55% were motivated by racial bias, 17% by religious bias, 14% sexual orientation bias, 14% ethnicity bias, and 1% disability bias.



The Act is supported by thirty-one state Attorneys General and over 210 national law enforcement, professional, education, civil rights, religious, and civic organizations, including the AFL-CIO, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, and the NAACP.[11] A November 2001 poll indicated that 73% of Americans favor hate-crime legislation covering sexual orientation.


OK now here's the fun part


James Dobson, founder of socially conservative lobbying group Focus on the Family, opposed the Act, arguing that it would effectively "muzzle people of faith who dare to express their moral and biblical concerns about homosexuality."[9] However, HR 1592 contains a "Rule of Construction" which specifically provides that "Nothing in this Act... shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution."[14]


Let's see the really important part again.

HR 1592 contains a "Rule of Construction" which specifically provides that "Nothing in this Act... shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution."

en.wikipedia.org...

So all those fear mongers posting in this thread that are claiming christians will be censored is FALSE. Why didn't the OP address this very important part of the bill? You know, the part that specifically contradicts what his opening line states.
I must either assume:
1. the OP didn't read the bill. And why wouldn't he read the bill as it's the only subject for this thread? That makes no sense does it?
2. The OP did read the bill and saw the "rule of construction" portion, and due to some type of religious bias and hatred for a certain class of people, decided to HIDE/BURY that huge detail.


So before anyone blindly believes the OP's posting, check the sources. As example, some of the OP's own sources contradict his claims and if you dig just a bit deeper, you'll find that the reality is...

FREEDOM OF SPEECH WILL NOT BE CURTAILED IN ANY WAY BY THIS BILL
and
CHRISTIANS WILL IN NO WAY BE CENSORED

The reason these people DON'T want this bill passed is because of their hatred for gay people. Their religion requires them to condemn gay people and that includes preventing protection for those people. In my opinion, there attitude is not better then muslim extremists who state that unless we convert to islam, we must be killed.

Again, the only reason for wanting this bill NOT to pass is because of bigotry and hatred. Sorry but I'll have no part of your close minded witch hunts. No pun intended semper


Once again, thanks semper for getting things back on track
and don't let the religious zealots get under your skin. Their own insecurities and failing ego's force them to act this way.

"Tis better to pity the fool then hate him for his foolishness. His hate for himself is punishment enough." -jfj123-

[edit on 13-4-2009 by jfj123]





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