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posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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Who is the U.S. Congress to atempt to censor the Bible. Our 1st amendment to the Constitution is Freedom of speech, not freedom from speech. Freedom of Religion not freedom from Religion. We do not need to defend the Bible, it is like a lion, we need to unleash it.

What will be the next step, turn in our Bible's for a socialist bonfire? This would have to be the week after we all turn in our guns. After that it will be a computer chip to moniter us.

Evil and darkness only exist in the absence of Light. Fear is a tool of evil.




posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by adodson
We do not need to defend the Bible, it is like a lion, we need to unleash it.

What will be the next step, turn in our Bible's for a socialist bonfire?


Somehow, i think you are a little confused.

21st century socialism, as it is, has no intention of burning bibles.

Nothing and i mean nothing, is going to restrict Christian right to faith, same as other religions.

But i believe a certain sect called creationism, the creationists, are quite big fans of burning books.

They would do as was done before in history and destroy all science and philosophy which has brought mankind out of the stone age and burn anything which is deemed against the will of god.

I mean you've only got to look at the way their children are indoctrinated by a moronic set of perceptions of the world they now call true science, creationism, which contradicts everything the majority of people who have had a normal basic education to a national curriculum.

Warping their kids minds with a load of absolute tosh.

Nobody says the bible should not be there & people cannot believe.

It has good messages & morals etc, it holds prophecy from seers who are enlightened people in history, i see those gifted individuals through very different eyes being a pagan but do not deny that in history there are those who are "Different." all over the world at every point in the past & there always will be.

But it is a book from very primitive peoples with very different social structures from a different time-frame which cannot be taken literally and requires people of intelligence analyse it properly, as clergy & ministers do.

In modern times sects have hijacked your bible and use it to their own end and it really has nothing to do with Christianity, being the principles of your Christ which are actually closer to Buddhism, humanism, philanthropy, freedom of will and expression but also self discipline, wisdom and knowledge, also very **Socialist**, indeed.

But the manner creationists conduct themselves is wholly arrogant & flies in the face of everything but a secular set of viewpoints they believe the bible tells them to the exclusion of all else, no matter how much these people are told they are completely wrong, they are so obsessed they simply can't understand & will argue all day that black is really white.

What adults do to themselves is one thing but forcing a false education on their kids, teaching creationist science to them and citing all other science as lies and conspiracy, Is Bloody Child Abuse!!

May not be a hate crime but it is sick what they are doing to a huge number of kids, if it were the Moonies cult doing it they'd be locked up for good for doing it.

All too often though, it's people who have a similar very secular & erroneous understanding of what is given to you in the bible, who are the ones committing hate crimes in the name of Christianity.

I've no issue with mainstream denominations of the church, think they are barking up the wrong tree of life but that's their prerogative and they do little or no harm.

Extremist, fundamentalist Christians who are radicalised and whose activist consequences are social minorities or those from other beliefs being adversely affected or harmed.

Some of these people are completely nuts & can be dangerous, religious beliefs can be a potent catalyst to delusional behaviour & it happens all too often that people commit strings of assaults or even murders because of misinterpreting the bible & going on "missions".

If you aren't a hateful Christian, don't wear the hats of those who are by defending them.

Many Christians are nice people, a minority are dangerous and very messed up and do commit hate crimes as too they abuse their children mentally & emotional & deliberately retard them.

Good & bad in everything!

And!!! Light & darkness exist in mechanisms of balance, matey!











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posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan

Originally posted by adodson
We do not need to defend the Bible, it is like a lion, we need to unleash it.

What will be the next step, turn in our Bible's for a socialist bonfire?


Somehow, i think you are a little confused.



No, he isn't confused,

YOU ARE.

This bill is part of the socialist homosexual atheist agenda that we give "special" protection to gays and their "special sexual ori"

Lets examine the truth shall we.


The homosexual agenda. * The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: "The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appreciation' or 'understanding' of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing...then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won" (25)
* Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans already have -- to see government and society affirm our lives" (27)
* Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: "The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion" (1)
* Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, "We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness" (17).



Homosexuals aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?



* The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24)
* 59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren't smart enough to listen to God. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)
* 49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where's the job discrimination?


Sexual Orientation


A phrase that has come up recently in this earth is "sexual orientation." This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex - as if they aren't engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. "Sexual orientation," as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other "sexual orientations" are just fine, let's see what other "sexual orientations" you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you're not going to discriminate based on "sexual orientation", then you must not discriminate against any of the following. Bestiality, pedophile, necrophilia., exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, masochism, sadism, transvestitism, voyeurism. If you discriminate against any of these, you're a hypocrite. These "sexual orientations" are generally known as "paraphilias", and are mental disorders - just like homosexuality used to be (29).

Rule 13 of Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals:
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”


A Mom writes a response to those ignorant atheist's and pseudo pagans like Deltaporn :


Being a fundamental Christian, homeschooling mom, often I am accused of indoctrinating my kids with religion (which is pretty much true), and the question sometimes arises:

"What are you teaching your children about atheism?"

I teach my children that atheism is the disbelief in God, or the denial of God’s existence. I also teach my children that in the Bible it says, “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.”

I teach my kids that atheists are liars. Self-deceived, sadly, but liars nonetheless because they reject Truth - Specifically, the Truth that is Jesus Christ. Deep down in their spirits, the knowledge of the Creator endures, but though much denial, atheists suppress this knowledge and exchange the Truth of God for a lie. Since the creation of the world God's invisible attributes are clearly seen, and atheists are without excuse for their willful ignorance! Atheists have became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts have been darkened.

I teach my children that they did NOT evolve from primordial slime, by a series of random chance events brought on by a “cosmic accident” billions of years ago, as the public schools will teach. Instead, I teach my children that they are fearfully & wonderfully made by the hands of God our Creator, created in His image and likeness, and their life has eternal purpose.

My kids will learn how irrational and illogical atheism is, and that it takes way more faith to be an atheist, than it does to believe in Christ. Our faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. By our faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. Atheists look at the majesty of Creation all around them and believe that it came into existence by an accidental, impersonal, amoral, unintelligent force which exists only in their imagination.

I am NOT going to raise my children to be "free-thinkers" and so open minded that their brains fall out, but I am teaching my children of God’s Holy Nature and His Absolute Moral Laws with conviction so that they will be solid in their faith. My kids know what is right and wrong, and that there are severe consequences for sinful behavior.

Our family has a tremendous reverence for God, and we are diligently indoctrinating the principals of God’s Holy Word to our children all throughout the day. We demonstrate our love and obedience towards God, and to each other by the way we conduct our everyday lives, by rebuking the wicked, warning the lost and uplifting fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Once our children are fully grown and out of our home, they will have the freedom to become atheists and live in rebellion if they want. But, I am confident that my children will never embrace atheism because the Word of God is written on their hearts and they will be smart enough to know better!

When parents train up a child in the way he should go, when he is older, he will not depart from it! That is a spoken promise from God Almighty, and Mama ain't gonna raise no FOOLS


So where is all this violence against gays really coming from and who is it that are attacking gays so violently?

Surprisingly, It is Gays themselves. They don't need protection from us.

We protection from them and yeah I hate what they do including all this crap they incessantly post as Christian atrocities.
Well Looks like they got some of their own issues to deal with.


Homosexuality among Serial Killers: Statistics "over 43%": "Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children", published in Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
Technically, 69% of the serial killers in this study were homosexuals (i.e., people who were self-described homosexuals or people who had engaged in homosexual behavior immediately prior to, during, or after committing their murders). The lower statistic of 43% cited above is the proportion who were homosexual among people who molested or raped and then murdered children: 43% of these perpetrators were homosexuals. This lower figure, however, includes people who killed only a single person, and are thus not classified as serial killers. The lower figure is used in the article above (as "over 43%") because it comes from a larger sample size. Presumably, if the sample size were expanded to include a wider range of years, the proportion of serial killers who are homosexuals would remain between the proportion in this study who are serial killers (69% homosexuals versus 31% heterosexuals) and the proportion of all killers in this study (43% homosexual versus 57% heterosexual). Also note the approximately 50% of murders committed by homosexuals reported by Warren with regards to murders of adults. See also: Gemert, F. van, "Chicken kills hawk: gay murders during the eighties in Amsterdam", published in Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).


Looks like we need the protection, and they need to Get right with the Lord. Ooops I said get right with the lord!! They HATE that!
TOO BAD! All we have ever done when it comes to Gays, is

TOLERATE THEM. Making it a LAW that I have to is asinine.


One hundred and three news stories involved the rape and/or murder of children: 90 involved the molestation and murder of a child or children, 11 stories involved only the abduction and rape of children, and two the rape and mutilation, but not the murder, of the children involved. Of the 90 news stories where the child was raped and murdered (0.47% of the unique child molestation stories), 40% involved homosexual molestation.

In the most unusual case, an "educated and relatively wealthy" leader recruited two other men and a boy. This team raped and murdered precisely 100 boys 1. The leader had had prior arrests for suspicion of sodomizing boys...

Of the 95 perpetrators in these 90 stories, at least 43% engaged in homosexuality... Of the 217 victims, at least 68% were victimized by homosexual perpetrators, and at least 67% were boys... Furthermore, both multiple perpetrators and multiple victims were associated with homosexuality. In the three stories where two or more killers were implicated, the rapes were homosexual. In 69% of the 13 stories involving more than one victim, the perpetrator engaged in homosexuality. Another 11 stories involved a charge of attempted murder. In 64% of those cases, the perpetrator engaged in homosexuality.

When all other cases of child molestation from the Lexis-Nexis search are added to these stories, there were 2,181 perpetrators in the 1,914 distinct events whose sexual proclivities could be characterized by the sex of their victim: 41% engaged in sex with their own sex, the remaining 59% with the opposite sex (another 118 perpetrators violated at least 190 children whose sex was not given). Of the 5,630 underage victims of these molestations, 61% were victimized by individuals who engaged in homosexuality. And those who performed homosexual seductions were quite one-sided: 3,386 of their victims were boys, only 60 were girls.

Overall, there was a slightly higher rate of homosexuality among perpetrators who raped and killed than among those who "merely" raped or molested (43% vs. 41%). In addition, the proportion of victims attributed to homosexual perpetrators who raped and murdered was higher than the proportion attributed to homosexuals who only raped or molested (68% vs. 61%). All of the cases involving eating or torturing the victim were committed by homosexual practitioners...

Murder and child molestation combine[ed]... are also independently associated with those who engage in homosexuality. Blanchard, Barbaree, Bogaert, Dicky, Klassen, Kuban, and Zucker, working with male offenders, concluded in 2000 that 2 the "best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men; in contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys.... Thus the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-20 times higher among pedophiles [those who have sex with children under the age of 12 yr.]"



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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And you are heretic to the teachings of your own Christ in everything you assert in this thread matey.

But what's the point in trying to pursue any personal dialogue with you, you are hateful and use Christianity to excuse and reconcile deviant manifestations of your ego, says invariably more about you than you realise, the nature of your posts.

Whatever you say, it is your belief and opinion, same as the rest of us and am bothered not a jot by your utterances to defend your position, it is not correct minded nor moral nor tolerant.

You who spout a load of intolerance and cite conspiracy are simply nasty minded delusionals and establishment malcontents, nothing else.

Please don't try to portray yourself as anything else.

Your attitude is an indictment of Christianity when you vilify as you have done, how dare you veil your prejudices by calling yourself a christian, Christians are good people and i say that as somebody of diametrically opposed spectrum of faith, i have more respect for Christianity than you purport to have and i'm not christian myself.

Just because you learn what's in the bible and repeat it to your advantage doesn't mean you are Christian in mind and spirit, pal!

From what you've said in your last post Aermacchi, i suggest you get therapy and debrief that twaddle you've been brainwashed with, seeing conspiracies where there are none is called paranoia, matey.


Paxus.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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Thanks for participating everyone. : )

It seems that any bill that tries to legislate morality causes an uproar.

Think about it... abortion, death penalty, homosexuality, smoking, drinking,
censoring speech, books, pictures, etc.

So why does our government keep trying to legislate morality?

Each individual makes their own *moral* choices every time they think, speak & act.

We will all be accountable for ALL of our decisions so we should watch what
we think, say & do !

Christians: Patience & kindness are needed to reflect the true LOVE &
(sometimes) the moral correction that springs from the heart=holy spirit.

Non christians, others...If you notice a loud, exasperation on the
part of Christians KNOW that usually their heart is in the right place...
but the world & its misleading agendas arouse the Christian conscience.

> The holy spirit is inflamed passionately by deceit & LIES. <

If we are truly lead by LOVE (Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit & GOD) we should
try to approach moral dilemmas carefully.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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So very true sister.

That is the Christian ethos i respect, however much our idealogies/theologies/theosophies may differ, those with the spirit of peace, compassion and tolerance for their fellow peoples have my respect.

Not those who show prejudice to main sectors of society simply for being who they are in nature and harm nobody.

Goddess guide your path.


Paxus.




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posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan

And you are heretic to the teachings of your own Christ in everything you assert in this thread matey.


Argumentative, refutations require an opposing argument, supporting data that corroborates your opposing view. You have done nothing of the sort but rather whined and cry calling me names. The views I have stated are FACTs given by the Centers of Disease Control and many factua studies done by Gays themselves.




But what's the point in trying to pursue any personal dialogue with you, you are hateful and use Christianity to excuse and reconcile deviant manifestations of your ego, says invariably more about you than you realise, the nature of your posts.


blah blah blah, you got anything more to substantiate your argument or is this ad-hom rant supposed to effect me.

It doesn't
The facts given are unchanged and reason for any self respecting American citizen to take heed of the reality behind the Gay agenda.



Whatever you say, it is your belief and opinion, same as the rest of us and am bothered not a jot by your utterances to defend your position, it is not correct minded nor moral nor tolerant.


No, Wrong again witch, the facts I have given are not my opinions but the opinions of scholars and Professor's, Doctors and psychologist's you can cross referance yourself.

REFERENCES




(1) Advocate, 1985
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299
(5) "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea." Lancet, April 25, 1987
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men." New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE
(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
(10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992
(11) Kus, R. "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America." Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. "Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens." J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy (16) MsKusick, L. et. al. "AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco." Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96
(17) Newsweek, February 1993
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
(20) Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk." (22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990
(25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987
(26) United States Census Bureau (27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989
(28) University of Chicago's Nation Research Corp
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.





You who spout a load of intolerance and cite conspiracy are simply nasty minded delusionals and establishment malcontents, nothing else


*yawn*


Please don't try to portray yourself as anything else.


As if the opinion of a witch means a damn thing to me.

It doesn't.


Your attitude is an indictment of Christianity when you vilify as you have done, how dare you veil your prejudices by calling yourself a christian,


Yeah as if my Christianity would seek the approval of a satan loving witch like you. If you haven't noticed, their isn't too much Christians can do without being called a hater a bigot and words to the effect they ain't "good enough" ain't "xtian" enough for anyone unless they are kissing someone's ass. I think that post where your agreement with that luke warm Chrsitian will be met with the lord saying, I NEVER KNEW YOU and spits her out of his mouth.


Christians are good people and i say that as somebody of diametrically opposed spectrum of faith, i have more respect for Christianity than you purport to have and i'm not christian myself.


Yeah yeah, you respect it so much all you've done is, make it your life's mission to assault them with your wiccan BS witch,.

You respect it so much you are diametrically opposed to it the antithesis of Christianity, you're just a child of the grave reprobate.



Just because you learn what's in the bible and repeat it to your advantage doesn't mean you are Christian in mind and spirit, pal!


agreed but as usual, you make no point



From what you've said in your last post Aermacchi, i suggest you get therapy and debrief that twaddle you've been brainwashed with, seeing conspiracies where there are none is called paranoia, matey.


I suggest you get right with the lord son.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 11:31 PM
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Let's talk facts (as you're so fond of them), shall we? Many Christians are criminals, most criminals are Christian, and on that basis I think we should just be done with them and lock 'em all up together.


Don't believe me? Let's look at the US' prison population statistics (freely available from The Federal Bureau of Prisons):



Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%


Let's simplify it by looking at the Christian types, shall we?


Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%


Yes, that's 83.761% of the total! Christians certainly know how to break the law, don't they?

Notice how atheists make up a total of 8-16% of the American population yet represent a minuscule 0.209% of the prison population?

What say you, Aermacchi? Logic dictates that Christians are more likely to be criminals than anyone else, should we condemn the religion to history books because it seems to encourage crime?



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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Yes, that's 83.761% of the total! Christians certainly know how to break the law, don't they?

Notice how atheists make up a total of 8-16% of the American population yet represent a minuscule 0.209% of the prison population?

What say you, Aermacchi? Logic dictates that Christians are more likely to be criminals than anyone else, should we condemn the religion to history books because it seems to encourage crime?


QUESTION: No Wiccans? No Native Americans? No Eastern Orthodox? No Hindu? Nothing but Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and 8 non-religious? With the Black Muslim Population being 25% of the African American Prison Population nation wide, one would expect at least ONE Muslim at Sing-Sing. Statistically speaking, these figures are looking more and more suspect.

Amazing, Yeah it is like those damn ten commandments, if we could follow the law, we wouldn't have needed a savior. But lets make this easy for you.

A person gets put into prison for rape pleads NOT guilty ( says he didn't do it) he gets caught lying he gets convicted and sentenced to 15 years.
They ask him if he has a religion, he was baptized catholic as a child so he says yes.

Another person gets arrested for killing his neighbor in a drug deal gone bad. He goes to trial. he says he didn't do it. he gets caught lying and is convicted gets sentenced to life in prison. They ask him if he has a religion he says yes he is a christian.

That is only two of the great aggregation of many people who you insist are christian yet all of them have lied under oath swearing on the bible to tell the truth the whole truth, so help me God.

So I don't think your making exceptions to the rest of their un-christian like behavior has much merit, in fact most of them would not be credible witnesses for turning states evidence simply because they have been convicted of crimes and perjured themselves as liars. So why should I believe them to be Christians when they are nothing of the kind.

Why would YOU take a rapists word for it or any other convicted criminal?

Oh that's right, you are an atheist, so being above board and honest doesn't really matter to you, as long as the testimony can disparage Christians in any way in spite of their not acting like one and in-spite of this very fallacious canard so often given by those actively disbelieving in God, IE; a-theist's. Some say they are atheist, why should I believe them. Can you prove you're an atheist? What if I don't believe you ?

As for Christians, the Bible says: By their fruits , you shall know them.

It's obvious most of the stats you cite were people who may have been in a religion but religion has NOTHING to do with being a Christian.
In fact no one was against religion more than Jesus Christ.

Many of those on your un referenced list may have become Christians BECAUSE they were in jail. You leave many questions un-answered and that is suspiciously deceitful.

Gee I wonder why? Your argument is flawed


I suggest you get a clue



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posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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You clearly didn't even read the list properly because I can definitely see Hindus on there, I also wonder how Sikhs and the like would take your name-calling of 'non religion'.
Your ignorance and bigotry says it all really.


When all you can do is question the authenticity of official statistics then you know you're losing, my argument is no more flawed than yours that claims homosexuals are not discriminated against - so what is it, are we wrong or right?

I know the answer, you will never understand as you're too wrapped up in un-Christian hate. You've been exposed yet again.




posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by Goathief
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You clearly didn't even read the list properly because I can definitely see Hindus on there, I also wonder how Sikhs and the like would take your name-calling of 'non religion'.
Your ignorance and bigotry says it all really.


When all you can do is question the authenticity of official statistics then you know you're losing, my argument is no more flawed than yours that claims homosexuals are not discriminated against - so what is it, are we wrong or right?

I know the answer, you will never understand as you're too wrapped up in un-Christian hate. You've been exposed yet again.




What "official list" are you talking about? I know where that list comes from and you call it official? I have been exposed?

Here let me make it clear for you atheist, I do not tolerate the homosexual's lifestyle , they are discriminated against?

Prove it

I am not a Christian ?

Prove it.

You do not believe in God?

Prove it

You show me a list of people in prison where 98% of the population of that country are Christians then show me how many people from that country who are in jail also christian and expect me to be surprised when it is 98% in a comparison with a small percentage of the atheist jail population of that same country's where atheists are but a small minority and expect me to be impressed? You don't impress me atheist.

In fact, you bore me



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi



Just because you learn what's in the bible and repeat it to your advantage doesn't mean you are Christian in mind and spirit, pal!


agreed but as usual, you make no point






That, from somebody who breaks down every response he gets and utters rubbish to substantiate a lost argument.

You have no real point, all you are doing is fighting/arguing as to defend yourself, not Christan's as a collective.

You cannot qualify the sentiments of others in your supposed belief system, only yourself.

The fact is, pro life activists who are purport to be Christians, anti pagan preachers who purport to be christian and anti gay activists who purport to be christian all behave in a very unchristian manner and at extremes they commit hate crimes and that needs to be addressed by law of state of nations.

You don't actually say anything when you reply, instead are just trying to break down every point and deride everything that doesn't suit YOU.

Using what you have learnt in the bible to manipulate your way around dissent when good people with something to say post what they have to say.

You are not proving any point pal, you are simply attempting to endorse and qualify your opinions based in hate and not the teachings and principles of your Christ.

Now, for the last time, i am not a witch, i am male, got that?!
Female = witch - male = worlockl! Are you realy that dumbl

And don't you have the barefaced temerity to align me with what is a product of Christianity, Satanism.

There is absolutely nothing in my beliefs which is Satanist, Satanists are the polar opposite of Christians, what i believe in is older than Christianity and nothing what i believe is Satanic.

Just you are a bit thick actually and instead of seeing similarities in good people, you put people into your little pigeon holes of those to hate, with erroneous analyses from your obtuse perception of your religion and use the bible to mask your misanthropic personality of hate and prejudice to anybody who doesn't agree with you.

I've explained what construes my beliefs in a basic way but you still portray me as a witch and a Satanist.

Well that is a sure indication of how little you actually know and live inside a microcosm of self righteous nonsense.

You don't actually have any real knowledge do you, actually blinded to the real world by your hate and obsessions with a book.

Why don't you try and look at similarities in your fellow humans, Not The Differences and understand people instead of spouting hate, intolerance and sectarian divisionist format arguments that you utter and keep pasting from sources which are also hatemongers as endorsement as if it makes your points more valid.

You need to understand people are people and Christians who are intolerant of others are not being Christian and you are abominations of Christianity not the good people who try to live by the principles and teachings your Christ set down.

Prove you are a good person by actually coming out with christian sentiment, a good person who is capable of forgiveness and love for their fellow people, because i've seen nothing yet which indicates you are Christian, just nonsense deriding different groups of people who you disagree with and your manipulating parts of the bible taken out of context to rationalise what is a sickness in your own ego and likely deep into your psyche as well.

You should actually join a church and talk to a few proper Christians.

You sure as hell aren't one from what you've posted and give good christians i've plenty of respect for, a bad name when you associate your pisspoor attitudes with them.

You should be ashamed of yourself, about you are Christian, nothing of the sort, you just use it to excuse a bad attitude and personality, your prejudices and hate

Now be a good Ostrich and find a nice sandpit, there's a chap!







[edit on 20-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi
You show me a list of people in prison where 98% of the population of that country are Christians then show me how many people from that country who are in jail also christian and expect me to be surprised when it is 98% in a comparison with a small percentage of the atheist jail population of that same country's where atheists are but a small minority and expect me to be impressed? You don't impress me atheist.

In fact, you bore me

It's very hard to believe that you are not prone to biggotry when you continually use "atheist" as a derogatory slur.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by riley]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan
That, from somebody who breaks down every response he gets and utters rubbish to substantiate a lost argument.


$Examples?




You have no real point, all you are doing is fighting/arguing as to defend yourself, not Christan's as a collective.


Yeah so what, you don't like it TUFF I already told you. what you think of me OR that I am not the Christian YOU want me to be is none of my business witch!



You cannot qualify the sentiments of others in your supposed belief system, only yourself.


Yes I can




The fact is, pro life activists who are purport to be Christians, anti pagan preachers who purport to be christian and anti gay activists who purport to be christian all behave in a very unchristian manner and at extremes they commit hate crimes and that needs to be addressed by law of state of nations


So what, you think you can do better? Then DO IT!




You don't actually say anything when you reply, instead are just trying to break down every point and deride everything that doesn't suit YOU.


And all you do when I do that is BITCH about it. You don't like my posts witch, Don'T READ EM!




Using what you have learnt in the bible to manipulate your way around dissent when good people with something to say post what they have to say.


Examples?




You are not proving any point pal, you are simply attempting to endorse and qualify your opinions based in hate and not the teachings and principles of your Christ.


I disagree




Now, for the last time, i am not a witch, i am male, got that?!


YOU said you were a witch "pal" so don't blame me when I believe you.




And don't you have the barefaced temerity to align me with what is a product of Christianity, Satanism.


Satan owns you girlfriend




There is absolutely nothing in my beliefs which is Satanist, Satanists are the polar opposite of Christians, what i believe in is older than Christianity and nothing what i believe is Satanic.


Don't know much about your own religion do ya witch



Just you are a bit thick actually and instead of seeing similarities in good people, you put people into your little pigeon holes of those to hate, with erroneous analyses from your obtuse perception of your religion and use the bible to mask your misanthropic personality of hate and prejudice to anybody who doesn't agree with you.


Oh looky he she has graduated to "Big words" to impress me again.

Spare me your mundane platitudes witch you don't know what you're talking about. I told you before if you want to refute my claims then REFUTE them, just don't whine and call people names about hating bigotry, frankly I take it as a compliment from you as it is what I prefer as the effect I would have you experience from my posts you beg for it that much with your incessant accusations of same. I couldn't care less and your attempts to give me some arbitrary goody goody christian reputation to live up to is pathetic but being manipulative is what witch's who can't use witchcraft do when they have nothing else to effect us.




I've explained what construes my beliefs in a basic way but you still portray me as a witch and a Satanist.


Do I? Mmmm Do you want to know what Jesus says about it?

Naah i didn't think so because he is much more blunt and intolerant of it than I



Well that is a sure indication of how little you actually know and live inside a microcosm of self righteous nonsense.


Blah blah blah more names nyaa nyaaa nyaa get serious or get out of the debate witch




You don't actually have any real knowledge do you, actually blinded to the real world by your hate and obsessions with a book.


Yeah yeah you got me pegged




Why don't you try and look at similarities in your fellow humans, Not The Differences and understand people instead of spouting hate, intolerance and sectarian divisionist format arguments that you utter and keep pasting from sources which are also hatemongers as endorsement as if it makes your points more valid.



Why don't you practice what you preach witch



You need to understand people are people and Christians who are intolerant of others are not being Christian and you are abominations of Christianity not the good people who try to live by the principles and teachings your Christ set down.


Pffft witch, if you really believed all that monosyllabic diatribe you keep pontificating like some viper, you'd BE a Christian and quit telliing REAL ones HOW to be one. I don't see anyone here mistaking you for Jesus, witch so best keep your holier than thou mumblings to yourself.




Prove you are a good person by actually coming out with christian sentiment, a good person who is capable of forgiveness and love for their fellow people, because i've seen nothing yet which indicates you are Christain, just nonsense deriding different groups of people who you disagree with and your manipulating parts of the bible taken out of context to rationalise what is a sickness in your own ego and likely deep into your psyche as well.


Again witch, save the names, I've been called em all by loving hallowed benevolent gentle tongued soft spoken polite examples like yourself




You should actually join a church and talk to a proper Christian.


Examples?




You sure as hell aren't one from what you've posted and give good christians i've plenty of respect for, a bad name when you associate your pisspoor attitudes with them.


umm you ever consider charm school witch




You should be ashamed of yourself, about you are Christian, nothing of the sort, you just use it to excuse a bad attitude and personality, your prejudices and hate



Truth hurts when I say the truth you see hate. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.



Now be a good ostrich and find a nice sandpit, there's a chap!


No


[edit on 20-4-2009 by DeltaPan]

[edit on 20-4-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by Aermacchi
You show me a list of people in prison where 98% of the population of that country are Christians then show me how many people from that country who are in jail also christian and expect me to be surprised when it is 98% in a comparison with a small percentage of the atheist jail population of that same country's where atheists are but a small minority and expect me to be impressed? You don't impress me atheist.

In fact, you bore me

It's very hard to believe that you are not prone to biggotry when you continually use "atheist" as a derogatory slur.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by riley]


Make no mistake Riley, that is EXACTLY how I meant it
You see I don't HAVE to be tolerant of them until you start showing a little more tolerance of bigotry and hate, God knows we Christians have had to

[edit on 20-4-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Nowhere did i ever call myself a witch, i am a Neopagan and technically worlock as i am male, so i do not represent myself as a witch, similar in craft maybe, but it is impossible for a male to be a witch, there are reasons why we are different, though you obviously don't have a clue, just deride what you have no understanding of.

We also have light and dark, white and black in our mechanisms of balance and in nature and the planes and we all have our place, but you wouldn't understand that, we are all devil worshippers possessed of demons to those such as yourself, in your limited understanding of life and the linear universe, aren't we.



And there you have it.

You repeat the same methodology of breaking things down as if analysing something and giving cogent answers and being very clever, you are delusional, quote after quote after quote writing utter nonsense to what you quote.

You aren't clever at all, you are a feckless nut job who abuses the Christian religion and the bible to his own end.

A puerile idiot with very little knowledge or vision outside his petty perceptions of how the world should be and corrupted understanding of the bible because you and those similar manipulate everything to fit what you want the bible to say which fits your petty minded prejudices of others doing you no harm, so the true essence is lost as you expound your false beliefs and representations of the Christian religion and teachings.

Look at the similarities not the differences.

Christians who know what they believe in, know it is not for them to judge.

That is all you have done, the bible says what happens to those such as yourself matey, perhaps you would do well to learn about Christianity properly before you profess and speak for Christianity in general as though you are qualified to do so.

As i said, go join a proper church and learn something from proper Christians because you ain't one, matey.

Just an inane asshole with mental health issues, by all accounts.

Definately no Christian!

That's the last i am acknowledging you as i have no need to pander your altercate cycle of self validations and misrepresentations, trying to convince people you are something you are not.

Exhibit some proper Christian sentiment and attitude and i may take you seriously, until that time i've had enough of your self indulgent nonsense and blatant prejudices and so will simply ignore you from this point on.


[edit on 20-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi


It's very hard to believe that you are not prone to biggotry when you continually use "atheist" as a derogatory slur.


Make no mistake Riley, that is EXACTLY how I meant it

I'm sure it was.. you seem to have all sorts of prejudices. now including ones against wickens apparently.. :shk:

You see I don't HAVE to be tolerant of them until you start showing a little more tolerance of bigotry and hate, God knows we Christians have had to

Sorry but I do not blame all christians for the way you behave. I'm suppose to tolerate your biggotry and hate? that really makes no sense..

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posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan
Nowhere did i ever call myself a witch.


That's not my fault


You aren't clever at all, you are a feckless nut job who abuses the Christian religion and the bible to his own end.


eeewww Ouch ouch get the Bactine the witch is at it again
Ohhh The Humanity! sheesh and he calls ME a nut job.

I haven't called you any names other than what you told me you were which was a witch.



A puerile idiot with very little knowledge or vision outside his petty perceptions of how the world should be and corrupted understanding of the bible because you and those similar manipulate everything to fit what you want the bible to say which fits your petty minded prejudices of others doing you no harm, so the true essence is lost as you expound your false beliefs and representations of the Christian religion and teachings.


You finished?



Look at the similarities not the differences.

Christians who know what they believe in, know it is not for them to judge.


I judge you and i rebuke you.

There how do you like me now.



That is all you have done, the bible says what happens to those such as yourself matey, perhaps you would do well to learn about Christianity properly before you profess and speak for Christianity in general as though you are qualified to do so.


I'm sorry witch but after you walk the walk, then Ill listen to you talk the talk. In other words until you become a Christian and lead by YOUR OWN EXAMPLE, don't bother telling others how to be a Christian when you aren't one yourself.



you are an asshole with mental health issues


Hey! Hey!! Hey!!!!!! That statement is NOT true!
I do NOT have mental health issues



As i said, go join a proper church and learn something from proper Christians because you ain't one, matey.


Examples?



Just an inane asshole with mental health issues, by all accounts.
Definately no Christian!

Wow, looky there, Now lets me see,, so far I am according to you,

1A Nut Job,

2 An Idiot

3 a Hater

4 a Bigot

5 Stupid

6 Delusional

7 Vile loathsome

8 an inane asshole with mental health issues

9 a Retard

Shall I go on or do I have to link the exact quotes of your "immeasurable Tolerance and Perfect Christian example of how we should act to earn your esteemed approval?



That's the last i am acknowledging you as i have no need to pander your altercate cycle of self validations and misrepresentations, trying to convince people you are something you are not.


awe,, I'm all broken up about that




Exhibit some proper Christian sentiment and attitude and i may take you seriously, until that time i've had enough of your self indulgent nonsense and blatant prejudices and so will simply ignore you from this point on.


Yippeee!! There IS a GOD!! Have an ordinary day witch,

I just did



[edit on 20-4-2009 by Aermacchi]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

No, he isn't confused,

YOU ARE.

This bill is part of the socialist homosexual atheist agenda that we give "special" protection to gays and their "special sexual ori".


I thought you were joking when I read this line, and then got a pretty good laugh as I scrolled through your garbage post and realized you were serious.

Gays experience similar discrimination as people of different races, age, or sex. There is no reason for them to be excluded from protection under the law.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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A reminder...



This is a contentious issue at best. Be that as it may, it is only fitting to remind everyone to remain civil and courteous in the name of intelligent discourse.

Please refrain from attacking fellow members and stick to the topic at hand.





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