Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

Originally posted by jfj123

Many claim that being gay is a choice and is not genetic. Here is the problem with that mentality.
If you or anyone else believe that being gay is a CHOICE, then you and every other person saying this must also be physically attracted to the same sex and the only reason you don't act on your sexual attraction is that you CHOOSE not to. This also means that you and everyone else is partially gay and thus an afront to god

Which means that Aermacch is gay but chooses not to act on his "gayness"

[edit on 11-4-2009 by jfj123]

So you admit then that you know it is NOT genetic.

Oh BTW, If I was gay, I wouldn't be in here talking like an imbecile trying to challenge someones masculinity in some ad-hoc attempt in emotional extortion where he either agrees with you silly argument or he must face the fact that he is gay also.

If I was gay, I would choose NOT to be just like your argument says i can do and just like Gays can do if they weren't to wrapped up in depravity and sin

reply to post by Aermacchi


that is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard from you
and you say some pretty dumb things.
if you were gay you would decide to be straight.. what proof of this do you have?.. and even if that was the case. you'd be very unhappy, living in denial. and that whole. ex-gay thing is nothing but brain washing.. and is psycologicaly and emotionally harmful..

Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

that is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard from you
and you say some pretty dumb things.
if you were gay you would decide to be straight.. what proof of this do you have?.. and even if that was the case. you'd be very unhappy, living in denial. and that whole. ex-gay thing is nothing but brain washing.. and is psycologicaly and emotionally harmful..

Hey scorenone, I don't give a rats ass what you think is pretty dumb but I would suggest that you follow the thread and see the sarcasm in mine for the REALLY dumb idea was the one mine was responding too. It was his arbitrary rule that if being gay wasn't genetic than everyone would in essence choose who they would be attracted to making me in his opinion "partly gay" AND an affront to God. It that wer the case and I could be attracted to whom ever I chose, conventional wisdom would dictate I could just as easily choose the opposite sex.

Oh and by the way, YOU don't speak for all gays YOU think would be in denial. If YOU got issues being gay TOO BAD!

That doesn't mean i don't know of 200 people that used to be gay and they aint no more!

Originally posted by orangetom1999

This too is not worthy of you for the reasons stated above. Such techniques show the weakness and insecurity of your position. I told you that you need practice. This stuff works on and impresses others but it shows weakeness to those who can see it for what it is.

I dont think you are accustomed to dealing with people who dont let you default through or back up so many paces for you. Most of them are impressed with your methods. If so than good for you. It just does not work on me. Hopefully others on here will see it for what it is.

Thanks to all on here for their posts,
Orangetom

I see it for what it is and I have been quite entertained by his sophistry and his friends from the peanut gallery tag teaming high fiving eachother and generally swinging from each others vas defrens getting all impressed with their favorite loved ones,

Themselves

reply to post by Aermacchi


Aermacchi,

The gay argument is just as downright ignorant as the straight argument.

Once again drama and emotions wins out over real thinking values.

What a Believer knows is that it is downright dumb to define ones self by their sexuality or sexual orientation. People left to thier natural thinking abilities are smarter than this.

One does not define themselves by thier sexuality or sexual orientation..gay or straight. This is just plain stupid.

I say this because people are so much more than mere sexuality.

This phenomonon is not limited to the gay community...for it is also heavily merchandized to the straight community as well.

This phenomonon does however get people emotional and enthusiastic enough to steer their votes. Are you getting the point yet?

This too is about votes...just like this hate speech legislation. Once you understand that high electorical vote states have large homosexual populations who are also voters..it becomes clear what is happening.

Notice that so few ever present this view to people..even many preachers or men of the cloth do not do this. Yet when one thinks it through it is simple common sense.

I am not speaking against sexuality here. People have sexuality..it is just not the total of who and what they are. People, once again, are so much more than their sexuality or sexual orientation.

Once you understand this concept ...it becomes clear what some are trying to do to force acceptance or at least silence onto others.

Remember too what I keep emphasising to jfj123 and others...the body politic finances public education. Do you now understand why they want to promote this as acceptable in the public schools. It helps to groom the next generation of voters on the emotional puppet strings without them even knowing how to think for themselves...only how to emote their way through life.

The Hate Crime bill is to support this other acceptance..by silencing one section of the population from teaching others how to think for themselves or put light on nonsense...and or the concept that the real motive is votes and power....and particularly in high electorial vote states which are needed in presidential elections.

Thanks for your last post and support.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 11-4-2009 by orangetom1999]

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

that is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard from you
and you say some pretty dumb things.
if you were gay you would decide to be straight.. what proof of this do you have?.. and even if that was the case. you'd be very unhappy, living in denial. and that whole. ex-gay thing is nothing but brain washing.. and is psycologicaly and emotionally harmful..

Hey scorenone, I don't give a rats ass what you think is pretty dumb but I would suggest that you follow the thread and see the sarcasm in mine for the REALLY dumb idea was the one mine was responding too. It was his arbitrary rule that if being gay wasn't genetic than everyone would in essence choose who they would be attracted to making me in his opinion "partly gay" AND an affront to God. It that wer the case and I could be attracted to whom ever I chose, conventional wisdom would dictate I could just as easily choose the opposite sex.

Oh and by the way, YOU don't speak for all gays YOU think would be in denial. If YOU got issues being gay TOO BAD!

That doesn't mean i don't know of 200 people that used to be gay and they aint no more!

actually i dont have an issue with being gay i have an issue with stupidity and ignorance.. then trying to hide it behind relligion.. i dont give a rats ass what you think is dumb.. , and wernt you saying earlier that you chose to be straight.. its your contradictory comments that are dumb..
and as i stated earlier ex-gays were either bi to begin with or were brainwashed by some of the most disgusting tricks in the book.. they promote self loathing and then guilt and peer pressure to get them to talk themselves into believing this crap..

[edit on 12-4-2009 by scorand]

reply to post by orangetom1999


the gay argument is just as ignorant as the straight?? well the gays arent lying to push an agenda.. prop 8 in cali was based on lies. the idea that gay marriage is gonna take away religous rights is a lie.

the only reason why the gay community is so over active about being gay, and celibrating it is because of the opression placed on us, as far as public schools get a clue you seem to have an elitist holier than thou attitude,the only freedom that was taken away is ours.. and its done by bigotted christian groups who will sit there and lie live in denial..and twiste scripture to sell it.. and at the same time hypocriticly ignore scripture that argues against it..

[edit on 12-4-2009 by scorand]

To think all of the uproar over separation of Church and State. To keep religion out of a government that was founded with documents using religious language and specifically referring to God. NOW these same people want the government to ban religion even further. You do realize that no belief at all is also a religion of sorts AND that statements against Christians will also fall into the "hate speech" bs.

The loss of the 1st Amendment isn't something to be joyful about, no matter what your beliefs are.

If you truly believe in the STFU bill then maybe you should do so...just STFU. Not saying that to be rude, but to prove the point, if you want to be heard you NEED freedom of speech.

Hate crimes, actual physical violations, are one thing, speech is not the same. Sticks and stones, man, sticks and stones.

adding: Telling truths, no matter who says them, should NEVER be silenced. If you don't have the proof of what you say, then it's just your personal opinion, but that's something everyone is entitled to have, voiced or not.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by deelushian]

Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by orange tom 1999

 

the gay argument is just as ignorant as the straight?? well the gays arent lying to push an agenda.. prop 8 in cali was based on lies. the idea that gay marriage is gonna take away religious rights is a lie.

the only reason why the gay community is so over active about being gay, and celebrating it is because of the oppression placed on us, as far as public schools get a clue you seem to have an elitist holier than thou attitude,the only freedom that was taken away is ours.. and its done by bigoted christian groups who will sit there and lie live in denial..and twisted scripture to sell it.. and at the same time hypocritically ignore scripture that argues against it..

[edit on 12-4-2009 by scorned]

scorand,

You may be losing me here. Is this more of the "Victim Dictum " at work??

I don't approve of much of the Christian position on this as well. I am often prone to stating that there is a lot of ignorance on the part of Christians concerning everything and anything including the Bible..or what I call the Word.

well the gays arent lying to push an agenda..

Disagree totally ..they are indeed trying to push an agenda as well as is the government on this. If what you are saying is not true than why the vitriol in your post?? Particularly against Believers and Christianity?? It is standard M1A issue tactics and strategy on posts like this. It is entirely predictable.

I think like jfj123 you need more practice.

I'm going to try this again..and see if it takes root among some out here.

You have to go to school to get stupid enough to identify yourself as to whom and what you are by sexual orientation. This applies to straights as well as gays.

People left to their own devices are smarter than this institutional/political dumbness.

Here we have a group of people who's sole claim to fame is their sexual orientation or their sexuality?? And no one thinks this is very strange??
I most certainly do think it is strange behavior. I find it equally repugnant straight as well as gay.

Once again..people are so much more than sexuality. Yet we have college educated preachers out here who cannot put this together for their congregations. What school of stupidity did they go to as well??
No where in the Bible or Word to you see any instructions to bring glory to ones self by their sexuality...ever. For all that matter..no where in the Bible/Word do you see any instruction to celebrate a birthday..and bring glory on ones self for such a "special day."
Understand now what I mean and to what I am stating??
For those who know the history ...you do see birthdays and sexuality used or misused to self glorify in the Pagan nations and pagan histories. You do have to dig to find this history but it can be done. One must particularly be aware of Occult histories to understand this. And politics is a devout and very zealous religion which is very Occult.

I still stand by what I stated in earlier posts. This issue like many before it is about Votes...and particularly in high electorial vote states like
California. The government cares not one whit about the public or any cause...they will play anyone for votes. The term for this kind of selling, bartering, and trading of peoples souls for votes ...is Whoredom. Always has been and always will be.

If necessary ..for power and control..they are willing to make the children of the bond woman..heir with the children of the free woman.

It is indeed an agenda.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom


[edit on 12-4-2009 by orangetom1999]