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Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123

"Our soldiers stand between the light and the darkness so we need not fear the night"
"Our soldiers keep watch without fail so we may sleep in peace"
"Our soldiers sacrifice in hope our children need not"
-jfj123-

One last quote
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-



Ahh anyone who quotes himself as much as I have seen you quote yourself, is someone so fond of their own opinion, it's no wonder they think they are always right




"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"



One might reason logically that such advice IS common sense.

So anyone that is overwhelmed by this "fathoms deep advice" of yours wouldn't understand it and anyone with common sense doesn't need it.

So it begs the question,

which one are you




posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:08 AM
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Thanks jfj123 for showing this is nothing more than a slight redefining of hate crimes and the propaganda of the OP trying to make it to be something that it was not.



It is ironic but, not unexpected by me that a lot of Christians are all for hate crimes. That has been in their nature for centuries. I think if they woke up and had no one to hate they would fall dead within a few hours. Being gay I was brought up with the same type of people. The folk that scream that we gays are demon possessed etc. All of the gays that came from that church had to seek psychological counseling way into adulthood...well the ones that didn't kill themselves.

Again it is very funny that Christians worry so much about censorship when they love to censor. Banning of books, radio censorship, music censorship, trying to make other beliefs illegal. They have done more to destroy freedom of speech than any other group since this country's beginning and then bleat like sheep whenever someone tells them to close their trap. Right now in my backwoods ignorant little town the Christians are trying to ban all books on religions other than Christianity.

Even if you aren't a Christian, they get laws and legislation passed in attempt to force one into the Christian lifestyle whether they want it or not. Even if you don't want it, you must live it madness.

Even so , I support their freedom to spew hate. My uncle spews hate speech against blacks and I do support him in doing so. But, just like my uncle your words are not welcome into my home. Leave your bible in your car and you are welcome to chat about the weather or anything else but, I do not care to hear the ramblings of clueless Pharisees.







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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by jfj123


Since you chose to use playboy as an example, you must think that right?



No but U do think exploiting woman for mans lustful entertainment demeans them as sex objects so no you got it wrong but since you seem to think otherwise I suggest you have some issues thinking supporting such pubications debasing females is KoO with you eh

1. Those women make their own decision to pose for the magazine so nobody is exploiting them.
2. It's just the human form. What's wrong with viewing the human form?
3. Ever hear of freedom of expression?



Of course you have the right not to be tolerant but don't expect us to be tolerant of you in return.



Going by your first post I was already preparing I could count on it.

You seem to be missing the point. If you start the intolerance and expect tolerance, you're very deluded.



When you complain about being persecuted while you persecute others, your cries will fall on deaf ears.



That never seems to stop people like you from whining about it

[edit on 9-4-2009 by Aermacchi]

You think I'm whining about you PERSECUTING people? Do you actually think about what you write ?
So anyone that disagree's with your hate speech is whining..Interesting....So you yourself must be whining

Yeah, buddy you really need to think through your inane comments a bit more before spewing them onto the internet.

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[edit on 10-4-2009 by jfj123]



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

"Our soldiers stand between the light and the darkness so we need not fear the night"
"Our soldiers keep watch without fail so we may sleep in peace"
"Our soldiers sacrifice in hope our children need not"
-jfj123-

One last quote
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-




Ahh anyone who quotes himself as much as I have seen you quote yourself, is someone so fond of their own opinion, it's no wonder they think they are always right

Notice the number of points I have for posting? Out of the THOUSANDS of posts I made in many threads, I've posted my own quotes less then 6 times. How is that a lot? As a matter of fact, why don't you count up the number of posts I've made in this thread alone and then figure out the percentage of posts where I use my own quotes. You might realize how stupid your above post was.

I will requote myself one more time JUST FOR YOU
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-




"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"



One might reason logically that such advice IS common sense.

one might, you probably won't



So anyone that is overwhelmed by this "fathoms deep advice" of yours wouldn't understand it and anyone with common sense doesn't need it.

My thought is that you need all the help you can get



So it begs the question,

which one are you

-I'm the one that forgives your ignorance and hubris

-I'm the one that tolerates your intolerance because I believe in the Constitution.
-I'm the one that doesn't hate people like you but feels sorry for people like you as you simply don't know any better.
-I'm the one that responds to your posts so others can see what hate looks like.
Does that answer your question?



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by jfj123


Since you chose to use playboy as an example, you must think that right?



No but U do think exploiting woman for mans lustful entertainment demeans them as sex objects so no you got it wrong but since you seem to think otherwise I suggest you have some issues thinking supporting such pubications debasing females is KoO with you eh

1. Those women make their own decision to pose for the magazine so nobody is exploiting them.
2. It's just the human form. What's wrong with viewing the human form?
3. Ever hear of freedom of expression?



Of course you have the right not to be tolerant but don't expect us to be tolerant of you in return.



Going by your first post I was already preparing I could count on it.

You seem to be missing the point. If you start the intolerance and expect tolerance, you're very deluded.



When you complain about being persecuted while you persecute others, your cries will fall on deaf ears.



That never seems to stop people like you from whining about it

[edit on 9-4-2009 by Aermacchi]

You think I'm whining about you PERSECUTING people? Do you actually think about what you write ?
So anyone that disagree's with your hate speech is whining..Interesting....So you yourself must be whining

Yeah, buddy you really need to think through your inane comments a bit more before spewing them onto the internet.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by jfj123]

[edit on 10-4-2009 by jfj123]


Aermacci...... how did I know that it was going to be you pit up against jfj... You shouldn't even be on this site. You should be under a rock, because all that ignorance pushes people away. You have this aura about you, I take it you were the kind of kid who got beat up a lot in school. No friends, trauma in the family. So you turned to god, and in doing so you have warped a religion, and actually confirm theories from people like me.


I suggest you go home get offline and go watch a few debates before typing here again. Learn tact. Well and get all that hatefulness out of your system.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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I agree, President Obama is the best thing to happen to the USA in a long time bruv.

I am already pretty pissed at the paranoids already digging into him as well and i'm not American.

Chillax though man, the ignorami are not worth busting a blood vessel for.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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We don't need your hate rhetoric here good Sir. While I disagree with the post, you don't need to spew this trash. You are making yourself look like a fool because you are displaying exactly what we mean. Your "You guys are wrong, you have no right to an opinion nonetheless to speak that opinion because you are wrong. You guys all support Bush because I personally think you are on the right side of the political spectrum (which is wrong) so Shut up and Give 100% support to let the government do whatever the hell it wants without any speculation or checks or balances" logic is very insulting and foolish. Please Read the Constitution of the United States. I think you should find the first amendment quite interesting. While I disagree with the OP's specific regards to the censorship of Christianity, I absolutely outright oppose the Hate Crime statutes.

I see a violation of the constitution in effect (refer to the 5th amendment). Many of the things that are classified as hate crimes are already part of the initial crime. If someone commits a crime against someone else based on their political views for instance, its a crime. Even if you attack someone on racial basis, its already a crime. With the hate crime statutes in effect, you would be trying and charging a person twice for the same crime. That violates the 5th amendment to twice put someone into jeopardy for the same crime. Hate crimes are unconstitutional. Period. On another point, I see hate crimes becoming corrupted WAY to easily. I see it becoming any crime against a person who's skin is black is a hate crime. That's an opinion, but I seriously doubt that hate crimes would be enforced equally, which would completely demean the point of the hate crime statutes in the first place.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan
I agree, President Obama is the best thing to happen to the USA in a long time bruv.

The fact that it interrupted Bush's presidential rampage maybe, but he hasn't even been in office for very long yet, so you can't form an opinion on him yet, it least that's the Rebuttal I receive when I openly oppose something that Obama is doing.


I am already pretty pissed at the paranoids already digging into him as well and i'm not American.

Do I even need to point out what is wrong with this statement? I will anyways. It's hardly any business of yours in the first place, then, how people in a country in which you do not reside view their President. You clearly don't understand how America is supposed to be ran. The People are in charge of our country, NOT the President. While that idea has certainly been misconstrued with the help of the Bush administration and the Mainstream Media, our country was designed to create a government by the people for the people. This is just us doing politics. If logic serves you right, You should know that it is never a good Idea to just decide something without hearing every side of the argument carefully. If anything, We're presenting a side to the argument that needs to be examined.

Please let us Americans continue our Political process to decide our nation's matters. Your input is welcome, it's nice to have an outside opinion, but please state reasons, and evidence of your opinion so it isn't worthless.


Chillax though man, the ignorami are not worth busting a blood vessel for.


I'm assuming "ignorami" is trying to show a plural form of an ignoramus, in which case the plural form is ignoramuses. Just so you know. (Not trying to use this as an argument. Just trying to inform.) I completely agree with this part. Ignoramuses threaten good decision-making and freethinking discussions and arguments. Many are not worth getting very worked up over, but then again, we all have our ignorant side.
Edit:Fixing typos and such.

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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You're correct there, i don't have a right to agree or disagree with American domestic policy.

But President Obama does affect what happens in Europe and globally is a main component, so i do have valid opinion there.

My main post here was saying that insomuch as i say i welcome any legislation's, Anywhere, which slows down Christian prejudice and persecution of anything which doesn't fit their narrowband idea of how everything should be, is a good thing in my opinion.

Personally, i think you have far too much time on your hand for pulling me to bits like you've just tried to do because one little comment praising President Obama.

But i don't give a flying feck what you've just posted actually because i don't actually involve myself with your domestic stuff.

But even so, at the end of the day, i am entitled to an opinion and you are perfectly comfortable trying to censor my opinion, so that really makes you a hair splitting twit, dunnit geezer.

Just like to get off on a little thrill that you've got on top of somebody, whassamatter, lose so many arguements elsewhere do we.

Full of it mate, full of it!

Another tosser on my ignore list.


How many other petty little tossers like this guy are on this board, i'm getting sick of these inane idiots on ATS already i was hoping for a little more constructive intelligence, not tossers like this flaming constantly!

Or are you a second account of an earlier tosser ?

[edit on 10-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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Sure it does, just like it does about all other false beliefs in 'gods': "Therefore, know this day and consider within your heart, that Jehovah is God in Heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no other."

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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I don't see anything in there about Muslims being evil, or that Christians have to hate Muslims. I don't see anything in the quote saying that you can't live and let live.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC


Aermacci...... how did I know that it was going to be you pit up against jfj... You shouldn't even be on this site. You should be under a rock, because all that ignorance pushes people away. You have this aura about you, I take it you were the kind of kid who got beat up a lot in school. No friends, trauma in the family. So you turned to god , and in doing so you have warped a religion, and actually confirm theories from people like me.




Pardon me for interrupting, but... If I don't fit your analysis here, why then did I turn to God? In other words, if everyone, in your opinion, who turns to God is some kind of deluded, dysfunctional, warped kind of person, how do you explain those who turn to God absent these issues?



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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you clearly didn't understand what I was saying, I'm surprised I'm going to even bother explaining. I wasn't denying you a right of opinion. In fact, I'm pretty sure I welcomed it, providing that they were constructive towards the argument. If you aren't going to put something constructive toward the discussion, then please stay out was what I was getting it. What's the use of name calling? It appears to me you are labeling me some ignorant and intolerant hick for my political aligning and disagreeing with the issue at hand. You know, if you were to commit some crime against me, it could be labeled as a hate crime right? Be careful now. Yes, I have found a nice chunk of free time at the moment, seeing as how I have a break from school. I shouldn't have bothered respond to you because now you are just calling me names. Here's another Yes. I have lost my fair share of arguments, but who hasn't. You win some you lose some. One thing I can say though, is that I learn from each and every one of them. That's what matters. Some arguments, are more constructive than others, thats what I'm confirming from this one.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123
You might realize how stupid your above post was.

I will requote myself one more time JUST FOR YOU
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-


You only quoted yourself 6 times?? Agh ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA

WTF dude?? are you worried about plagerizing yourself! HA HA HA

The fact is smart guy, if you are the one who coined a phraze, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOURSELF THE CREDIT FOR SAYING IT!

Besides none of it was worth quoting in spite of you being so impressed with yourself.

Just say it without you putting your initials on it.

it is as silly as me saying:

I think aermacchi said it best " quoting yourself once is silly but 6 TIMES! is plane asinine" - aermacchi



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC


Aermacci...... how did I know that it was going to be you pit up against jfj... You shouldn't even be on this site. You should be under a rock, because all that ignorance pushes people away. You have this aura about you, I take it you were the kind of kid who got beat up a lot in school. No friends, trauma in the family. So you turned to god, and in doing so you have warped a religion, and actually confirm theories from people like me.


I suggest you go home get offline and go watch a few debates before typing here again. Learn tact. Well and get all that hatefulness out of your system.


*sigh* it's so flattering when I see posts like yours but seriously,,,

will the jealousy never end?



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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well aermachii i seriously doubt that anyone here is jealous of you. and it would be nice if you would back up you'r comments with proven facts and not religous dogma and right wing nut hyperbole..



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by scorand
well aermachii i seriously doubt that anyone here is jealous of you. and it would be nice if you would back up you'r comments with proven facts and not religous dogma and right wing nut hyperbole..



You want me to back up my facts? HA HA HA Hey smart guy, All I did was ask a simple question and have been attacked, been called bigot, hater, had my religion insulted, been told I'm stupid, that I should go crawl back under a rock, that I don't belong here, that I must have got beaten up a lot at school, by the biggest bunch of hypocrites demanding they not be hated I have ever seen.

Then you come in here telling me to back up my comments? and not do it the way I want but YOUR waym in the same voice you say without using my right wing religious dogma.

I still haven't had my original question answered yet. Never mind that mathew shepard was NOT beaten to death because he was Gay. Never mind that the guy that did this was on a meth amphetamine binge and had beat his best friends with as much anger because of meth.

Never mind that he had done meth with mathew shepard before and knew he was gay and never cared. Never mind that the guy that did this was bi-sexual himself. Never mind that gays only have to hear about how hated they are when they flaunt their depraved sexual bent when no one asked and isn't any of our damn business. never mind they only think of themselves when asking to have a government classify them by what kind of sex they are about when no one else thinks what we do in our bedrooms is none of the Governments business but will be as soon as protections like this are given because they won't mind their OWN business.

No never mind all that

You don't like my right wing hyperbole and religious dogma?

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness." - Isaiah 5:20

TRUTH is Hate, to Those who Hate TRUTH!

"Have I now become your enemy by telling you the TRUTH?" - Galatians 4:16

The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactions—rebuke and compassion. Really, the two are essential elements of true Biblical Love. But when people who are so caught up in their sins are told the Truth in love, automatically they believe it is hate because they lack Godly discernment to know the difference.

Undoubtedly - TRUTH is Hate, to those who Hate TRUTH!

So where does that leave us? If hate is so wrong, why does God tell us that “there is a time for hate" (Ecclesiastes 3:8)?

I know it is hard to believe, but the God who IS love, also hates. That’s right. God hates. God is Holy, Just and Righteous and He “hates all who do iniquity” (Psalm 5:5). In fact, God goes further by calling some things an abomination, which is a much more powerful type of hate. According to the dictionary abomination means “hate coupled with disgust,” and abomination occurs over 170 times in the Bible.

Today, most Christians would never be caught "judging" or rebuking the wicked, as God's people in the Bible sometimes did. Many Christians today would condemn Jesus Christ's attitude as "unloving," "hateful," and "intolerant" if they saw Him in person.

But as Jesus promised His followers who stand up for Truth, "You will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be offended." - Matthew 24:9-10

We cannot make up our own "truth" to coincide with our lifestyle, we must conform our lifestyle to the one and only Truth - God's Truth! those who love sin and perversion will call the Truth hate, and God will cast them away from Him because they hated the Truth.

“Then they will call on Me, but I will not answer. They will seek Me diligently, but they will not find Me. Because they hated knowledge; And did not choose the fear of the LORD. They would have none of My counsel; And despised My every rebuke." - Proverbs 1:28-30

My beliefs are radical, oftentimes offensive, and fundamental to the core. You are either going to love me or hate me, but I am here to share the TRUTH to an entire generation trained not to notice and blinded by lies. "Have I now become your enemy by telling the TRUTH?" - Galatians 4:16




"This sensitivity to not offend is a symptom of this hedonistic generation. The last virtue of a wicked society is tolerance. A sinner will throw away all the Bible, but still quote, “Judge not that ye be not judged.” - Michael Pearl



Help Stop the 'Gay' Agenda's Hate Crimes Legislation




May criminalize sermons, and funds pro-homosexual indoctrination

HATE CRIMES BILLS predicted to move fast in U.S. House

Third bill now introduced.

There are three bills now in U.S. House of Representatives on so-called hate crimes, and all need to be OPPOSED for lots of reasons but the most egregious element is the "sexual orientation" language and opportunities for violation of religious freedom. They are also pork-laden, social engineering bills that are unnecessary in a time of what should be budgetary conservatism.

The key problem with hate crime legislation is that the crimes at issue through such bills are, in fact, already punishable crimes, and can already be prosecuted under current laws. All the "sexual orientation" category does is add extra penalties if opposition to homosexuality (the "wrong" attitude) is determined to be a factor. This is used to prop up homosexuality as a legitimate behavior since it becomes "protected", and to falsely create a solution to a non-existing epidemic of crime. These bills also provide funds for "crime prevention" programs that punish and silence any opposition to homosexuality.

The latest bill has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee. The earlier two are in the House subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security.

H.R. 1913,The Local Law Enforcement Crimes Prevention Act

This is the bill most likely to get action. It was introduced by Rep. John Conyers(D-MI) and Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL). At its introduction on April 3, 2009, it had 42 co-sponsors.


H.R.256, The David Ray Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009

This is a gun control bill, but it also would add the sexual orientation language to our existing hate crime statutes, for crimes involving interstate and foreign commerce.Just think about the Internet and the free speech about homosexuality that might now be interpreted as "inciting hate crimes" especially if the site sells anything (the "commerce" requirement).

H.R.262, The David Ray Ritcheson Hate Crimes Prevention Act

This is a "pork" bill, providing victim's assistance, housing, tax breaks and even family leave to victims of hate crimes. Will act as an incentive to be labeled a victim of a hate crime.

This bill also adds the "sexual orientation" category, and provides $10 million for the next five years for the federal Department of Education to make grants to schools for "hate crime prevention education." Imagine what this will open up regarding anti-Christian teaching.
www.missionamerica.com...




posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan

But even so, at the end of the day, i am entitled to an opinion and you are perfectly comfortable trying to censor my opinion, so that really makes you a hair splitting twit, dunnit geezer.

Just like to get off on a little thrill that you've got on top of somebody, whassamatter, lose so many arguements elsewhere do we.

Full of it mate, full of it!

Another tosser on my ignore list.


How many other petty little tossers like this guy are on this board, i'm getting sick of these inane idiots on ATS already i was hoping for a little more constructive intelligence, not tossers like this flaming constantly!

Or are you a second account of an earlier tosser ?

[edit on 10-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



Don't worship other gods or worship idols

Exodus 20:2-5....Deuteronomy 4......Deuteronomy 27....Deuteronomy 29...Joshua 24...Psalm 106:28...Psalm 97:7....Psalm 115:3-8...2 Kings 17:35-39...Isaiah 57:5-14...Hosea 4...Zephaniah 1...Zechariah 10:2...Acts 4:12...Acts 19...Romans 1:16-32...Galatians 5:19-21...Revelation 21:7-8


Don't practice witchcraft, sorcery or divination (includes astrology)

Exodus 22:18...Leviticus 19:31...Deuteronomy 18:10-11...1 Samuel 15:23...2 Kings 17:17...2 Kings 21:6...2 Kings 23:24...2 Chronicles 33:6...Isaiah 8: 19...Isaiah 19:3-4...Isaiah 47:9-15...Nahum 3:4...Zechariah 10:2...Acts 19...Galatians 5: 19-21...Revelation 21:7-8...Revelation 22:14-15...Daniel 1:18-21...Daniel 5...Daniel 2:27...Micah 5:12


Kings of Israel are criticized for pagan worship

Solomon.....1 Kings 11
Jeroboam....1 Kings 12, 14
Ahab......1 Kings 16-18
Omri......1 Kings 16
Manasseh.....2 Kings 21, 2 Chronicles 33
Amon......2 Kings 21
Joash.....2 Chronicles 24:17
Jehoram....2 Chronicles 21
Ahaz.......2 Chronicles 28


Pagan beliefs are compared to sexual adultery

2 Chronicles 21:11-13...Isaiah 57:3...Hosea 4...Romans 1:24-32


Jesus contends with Satan in the wilderness

Matthew 4:1-11...Mark 1:12-13...Luke 4:1-13


Jesus casts out demons

Matthew 8: 28-34...Mark 1:23-27...Mark 5:1-19...Mark 7: 25-30...Mark 9:17-29...Mark 16:9...Luke 4:33-36...Luke 8:26-39...Luke 9:37-42...Luke 11:14-16



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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well religous or not if your gonna use right wing propaganda and church dogma you would also fall into practice what you preach.. jesus said judge not lest ye be judged. love your neibor.. and no that doesnt mean just those who agree with you.. and as for discernment how about that line about all will hate you.. wouldnt gays fall into that catagory.. and as far as rebuking.. its more like blind hatred.. and lets face it religous dogma has been proven wrong before.. like bruno, galilio, and lets not forgett about bearing false witness.. so if you want to blindly follow ignorant leaders and haters thats fine. however dont expect those who can see through the crap not to call you on it..



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