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Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

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posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by scorand
well religous or not if your gonna use right wing propaganda and church dogma you would also fall into practice what you preach.. jesus said judge not lest ye be judged. love your neibor.. and no that doesnt mean just those who agree with you.. and as for discernment how about that line about all will hate you.. wouldnt gays fall into that catagory.. and as far as rebuking.. its more like blind hatred.. and lets face it religous dogma has been proven wrong before.. like bruno, galilio, and lets not forgett about bearing false witness.. so if you want to blindly follow ignorant leaders and haters thats fine. however dont expect those who can see through the crap not to call you on it..


Scorand you are part of the problem, just another child of the grave a product of the public schools system and its Godless humanist socialist agenda.

“Do Not Judge” – That is probably one of the biggest clichés that Christians have tangled themselves up in these days. It is probably one of the most popular quotes that Christians and non-Christians alike use today so they won't be judged for their sin. Yet, it is the verse that is most consistently taken out of context.

Matthew 7:1 says, “Do not judge so that you will not be judged” – Yes we all know that part. But when you keep reading, you find that Jesus says in verse 5 - “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” When we repent of our sin, take the log out of our own eye, then we can see clearly to judge.

Jesus said, “Do not judge…you hypocrite.” I cannot tell a homosexual that their lifestyle is destructive if I too am homosexual. But since I am not, I won’t be a hypocrite in telling them that it's wrong.

Jesus repeatedly taught men to "judge rightly," insisting they “judge with righteous judgment,” and He praised a man in Luke who “rightly judged.”

The Apostle Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because no one among them was willing to “judge the smallest matters.” As the Apostle wrote, “He who is spiritual judges all things” for “we have the mind of Christ” (1 Cor. 2:15-16).

1 Corinthians 6:2-5 -- “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?”

Jesus said in Luke 12:56-57 -- “Hypocrites! …Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?”

Jesus also said in John 7:24 -- “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

God warns against “hypocrisy” repeatedly in the Bible. "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good" (Romans 12:9). God commands men to “abhor what is evil” - Yet to abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. Thus, unable to judge, large numbers of Christians become hypocrites by obeying the Hypocrites Golden Rule. Since the hypocrite doesn’t want to be judged, he judges not, as Jesus said, “Judge not… you hypocrite.”

For “judge not” is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you. “For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged.” Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged.

“Judge Not” is the Hypocritical Oath.

God will reward those who judge rightly -- “It is not good to show partiality in judgment... Those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.” (Prov. 24:23-25).




posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by jfj123
You might realize how stupid your above post was.

I will requote myself one more time JUST FOR YOU
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-


You only quoted yourself 6 times?? Agh ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA

WTF dude?? are you worried about plagerizing yourself! HA HA HA

No not at all. Since you made such a big deal about me doing it in the first place, I thought I would give you factual information as opposed to you're made up, baseless, rant.


The fact is smart guy, if you are the one who coined a phraze, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOURSELF THE CREDIT FOR SAYING IT!

That is your argument here? REALLY?
So if I patent something such as an IPOD, I don't give myself credit either?
Please explain to me why it's improper for someone to acknowledge their own work? Or as you would call it, a "PHRAZE"



Besides none of it was worth quoting in spite of you being so impressed with yourself.

That's your opinion which in my opinion is worth as much as a piece of used toilet paper



Just say it without you putting your initials on it.

So that's your problem? I had the gall to initialize it? That's what your mind is stuck on? Not the idea behind it, the content, or the thread? REALLY? WOW you have a lot of misdirected anger. Might I suggest you purchase a stress ball so you can decompress every once in a while

Here's a good place to start. BUY A BUNCH !!
www.1001stressballs.com...


it is as silly as me saying:

Take a deep breath and refer to the link above.


I think aermacchi said it best " quoting yourself once is silly but 6 TIMES! is plane asinine" - aermacchi

I'm glad that's all you could take away from it. It's not like the message was more important then the way it was displayed or anything.
I supposed you refuse to believe in the Constitution because it's on the crappy looking, yellow sheep skin stuff

Just to be clear, for you in particular, I'm not equating the quotes to the Constitution in any way only the fact that, in your mind the presentation is more important then the content.

Enjoy your misdirected hatred



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC


Aermacci...... how did I know that it was going to be you pit up against jfj... You shouldn't even be on this site. You should be under a rock, because all that ignorance pushes people away. You have this aura about you, I take it you were the kind of kid who got beat up a lot in school. No friends, trauma in the family. So you turned to god, and in doing so you have warped a religion, and actually confirm theories from people like me.


I suggest you go home get offline and go watch a few debates before typing here again. Learn tact. Well and get all that hatefulness out of your system.


*sigh* it's so flattering when I see posts like yours but seriously,,,

will the jealousy never end?


It's disturbing you completely misunderstood the content here. And SemperParatusRJCC didn't even quote himself



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC
reply to post by DeltaPan
 


Dont worry about it delta. Aermacci has no idea about what he or she is talking about. I would just ignore them because its arguement is farce, Like the snapping of a rubberband. It will always snap back, but if you leave it alone long enough it will become brittle and eventually break when you snap at it again.


Merry meet brother.

Indeed.

They will not learn.

Call us evil because their brainwashed and conditioned to hate pagans by their fairy tale book that they interperet so wrong, not all but the ignorant ones who don't actually have a clue.

However much you ask them to leave it alone, don't mess with Wiccans/Neopagans, those of the goddess, etc, they cannot resist.

I don't take kindly to having their venom rammed in my face!

It's an affront to myself and my creed and other pagans such as Hindus and i really do not like my people being attacked by those who don't understand the majority of what construes their religion actually came from our pagan ancestors when Christianity was created as a control mechanism and reworked by their own religions polar, the Satanists, in the past 1000 years etc.

Like i said bruv.

I don't warn them twice, they want to keep pissing somebody like me off it's their own lookout if their outstanding bad karma revisits them to the power of three.

Hope they've balanced their books.

Blessed be brother.




[edit on 11-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi
Never mind that gays only have to hear about how hated they are when they flaunt their depraved sexual bent when no one asked

Noone asked you to flaunt your religious fanaticism yet you do it.


You don't like my right wing hyperbole and religious dogma?

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness." - Isaiah 5:20

So is that page highlighted? or did you fold down the corner? Maybe a sticky note that hangs out and says, "use for gay arguments"?
Just curious



TRUTH is Hate, to Those who Hate TRUTH!

And of course YOU know the truth. The ultimate truth. The one true interpretation of the bible. And the truth behind god himself. RIGHT? Scholars with decades of experience and devote their lives to the interpretation of the bible, interpret bible passages differently, yet you somehow know the one true interpretation.


"Have I now become your enemy by telling you the TRUTH?" - Galatians 4:16

The truth?
or
YOUR truth?


The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactions—rebuke and compassion. Really, the two are essential elements of true Biblical Love. But when people who are so caught up in their sins are told the Truth in love, automatically they believe it is hate because they lack Godly discernment to know the difference.

But of course you are so ascendant, you know the difference



I know it is hard to believe, but the God who IS love, also hates. That’s right. God hates. God is Holy, Just and Righteous and He “hates all who do iniquity” (Psalm 5:5). In fact, God goes further by calling some things an abomination, which is a much more powerful type of hate. According to the dictionary abomination means “hate coupled with disgust,” and abomination occurs over 170 times in the Bible.

So god, a perfect, all knowing, omnipotent being is not beyond a lower, primal emotion. Interesting. Oh, I should say, in your opinion.


Today, most Christians would never be caught "judging" or rebuking the wicked, as God's people in the Bible sometimes did. Many Christians today would condemn Jesus Christ's attitude as "unloving," "hateful," and "intolerant" if they saw Him in person.

And here it is folks. His first outright comparison. He's been beating around the bush up to this point but here, if you notice, mr. hate monger has compared himself to Jesus Christ.


May criminalize sermons, and funds pro-homosexual indoctrination

No it won't. This is what's known as a lie propagated by those who simply hate homosexuals.


The key problem with hate crime legislation is that the crimes at issue through such bills are, in fact, already punishable crimes, and can already be prosecuted under current laws. All the "sexual orientation" category does is add extra penalties if opposition to homosexuality (the "wrong" attitude) is determined to be a factor.

just like racially motivated crimes which have been on the books for YEARS.


This is used to prop up homosexuality as a legitimate behavior since it becomes "protected",

The legislation is not taking a side as this states. The legislation merely protects an additional class of people that currently includes ethnicity and women.



These bills also provide funds for "crime prevention" programs that punish and silence any opposition to homosexuality.

Either remove this or post proof of this. To be specific, I want to see the wording that specifically states that the programs punish and silence any opposition to homosexuality.



for crimes involving interstate and foreign commerce.Just think about the Internet and the free speech about homosexuality that might now be interpreted as "inciting hate crimes" especially if the site sells anything (the "commerce" requirement).

Give me a legally worded example of how this nonsense can happen or remove this from your post also as it is more false propaganda.


This bill also adds the "sexual orientation" category, and provides $10 million for the next five years for the federal Department of Education to make grants to schools for "hate crime prevention education." Imagine what this will open up regarding anti-Christian teaching.

OK, I imagined. As it turned out, this is just more false propaganda.
Enjoy the lies


-jfj123 3:16



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaPan


I don't warn them twice, they want to keep pissing somebody like me off it's their own lookout if their outstanding bad karma revisits them to the power of three.

Hope they've balanced their books.




The four things that Satan cannot stand are: absolute truth, God-derived authority, an understanding of the battle, and the spiritual conflict that is involved. Watch for Satan in these four areas. This is how Satan Works:

Nine things that Satan loves to do.

1- His timing is generally, carefully planned. In the garden, he waits until Eve is alone and until she is in the position to listen to the voice of a stranger. At the point of her greatest emotional need, he comes at her. In the wilderness, he waits for Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights. At the point of Jesus' greatest physical need, after fasting for that entire time, Satan approaches him. Your greatest spiritual tests will come at the point of your greatest emotional and physical need. He knows when the lies should come.

2- He is a master of overkill and unanswerable questions. He said to Eve, “Hath God not said that you cannot eat anything?” In our modern times that can be translated into, “Is God trying to put you on Weight Watchers?” Satan puts different questions in our minds such as, “How can a God of love allow war to go on? How can a God of love allow death to go on?” Satan asks questions that the natural mind cannot answer.

3- He is a master at innuendo that undermine the character of God with “if”s. He says such things as, “IF Thou are the Son of God,” as we see in Matthew 4. Twice he said this statement. Have you ever heard him say that? “IF you really are a Christian... ” “IF your conversion was real... ” “IF God answers prayer... ” “IF Jesus were coming again... ” Satan is the master of the “IF”.

4- He loves to question the reasonableness of God's Word. “How can God be so narrow? He says, ÔEat this but don't eat that.' What difference can a tree make?” Satan says, “What do you mean that you cannot lie? Even here? How unreasonable.” This causes people to think, “Why can't I steal? I am hungry. How unreasonable.”

5- He loves to get the Christian on the defense. Eve had to come back and say, “God did say that, I heard Him.” She was now defending God. Three times, Jesus had to come back with the statement, “It is written... ” “It is written... ” “It is written... ”

6- He always minimizes the consequences of disobedience. He told Eve, “Thou shalt not surely die.” “You've got to be kidding. God is teasing you.” “No God of love would follow through.” This is a lie. No, a God of love would not keep His Word.

7- He ultimately questions the motives of God. He said to Eve, “You can be just like God. The problem is that God wants to keep you His slave.” This is true. The point that Eve did recognize is that we were designed in the image of God to reflect the will of God. Every man and woman was designed to be a slave to someone. The question was, “Choose you this day whom you will serve” not “If you will serve.” If you are not a slave to God, you are automatically a slave to His enemy.

8- Before long, Satan will always focus on satisfying the flesh. He said, “Look at that food, Eve.” He said to Jesus, “I will give you all of this.”

9- He is never around when it is all over.

Satan's Common Denominators
If these are the ways he works, we can reach some conclusions about how he works. We can learn the things that Satan cannot stand. If you will notice these 26 lies, you will notice that there are at least 4 common denominators. There are 4 things that the devil hates. Everywhere he surfaces these 4 things surface.

1- He cannot stand absolutes. He says to Eve, “Life is not that simple. Eat of this tree. Don't eat of that tree. It is not that easy. God is a god of love. He understands your heart. Just because He told you not to eat that tree doesn't mean that is absolute. You have to reason it out. It is all relative.” Satan tempted Moses. He struggled with this when he struck the rock instead of speaking to it. Satan said to David, “What is one indiscretion?” He said to Ananias, “Just bend the truth a little.” Lie? Not at all? Steal? Not at all? Commit adultery? Is it always wrong? There are no absolutes because if there are absolutes, he is absolutely finished.


2- He cannot stand authority. You always see Satan's lies surface when authority is brought into the picture. He cannot stand God's authority. He cannot stand anyone else's. This is his lie. He claimed, “I will be like the Most High.” This was his line to Eve. He told her, “You can be like God. You don't need anybody to rule over you. You don't need a boss. You can be your own boss.” 2 Thessalonians 2:7 in the Amplified Bible talks about the mystery of lawlessness. It describes it as the hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority which is already at work until the Restrainer has been taken away.

3- He cannot stand an awareness of open spiritual conflict. This is why we have spent so much time studying alliances these past few posts by you and your friends. Satan doesn't want us to know who the enemy really is. He doesn't want us to know what the issues really are. He doesn't want us to know that the issues are the pulling down of spiritual strongholds. He doesn't want us to know that good and evil cannot coexist. He doesn't want us to know that we cannot trust the enemy, which is him. You are supposed to reprove a liar. You don't listen to a liar, you flee from him.

4- He wants to do battle in the physical realm, as he cannot stand to do battle in the spiritual realm, because God is spirit. He wants you to read your spirituality by experiences. He wants you to trace your growth by legalism. He wants you to trace your progress by numbers. He wants you to think physical. He wants your priorities to be in the physical realm. He wants your goals to be in the physical realm. This is his territory. God is spirit, and God is after character and spiritual transformation.

Whom the Father loves, He disciplines.

You teach Rebellion as an acceptable means to an end.

This is a lie.

Rebellion is to God is as the sin of witchcraft, and it is never an acceptable means to an end and your threats I fear not for he is with me and you are without the truth. Your petition to attack me has been DENIED as was your ignorance by the almighty himself. You think you are dealing with an amateur I speak directly to the author of your lies and he knows me AND I it. Enki you are the same in any host by any other name masquerading as any other religion and I fear you NOT.

National loyalty has no virtue. This is a lie. God reveals His purposes through the nations. We are to honor the nation. We are to pray for its leaders. We are to submit to its authority as unto God.

You say The Bible is not the infallible Word of God.

This is a lie.

1 Timothy tells us that it is God-breathed. Psalm 19 tells us it is perfect. Every word proves true is a statement that we read in Proverbs 30. We determined that there are three things in life that really last. It is the Word of God, the Word of God, the Word of God. The Bible is infallible. Satan says that we can blame society for our failures. This is a lie.

You say you ARE a witch and I will not let who it is you serve deceive me as I take serious what you trust I would mock. I know the 8 things that man is responsible to do no matter what comes at him in life.

We can blame our parents for our weaknesses.

This is a lie.

We can blame God for our defects.

This is a lie.

We can blame Satan for our besetting sins.

This is a lie.

Satan wants us to glorify those who entertain us and glorify the flesh. God says, I will make the godly of the land My heroes and will invite them into My home.

Satan says that Christians and non-Christians can be aligned together.

Nations can unite with their enemies in treaties.

Dating and marriage are the child's responsibility.

These are all lies.

The truth is, How can two walk together except they be agreed? The truth is, What fellowship can light have with darkness? What fellowship can idols have in the temple of God? What fellowship can there be between God and Satan?

It is the parent's responsibility to take charge of who their children date. We are to teach them line upon line upon, precept upon precept. Every area of their lives is our responsibility.

NOT the PUBLIC Schools

These are the lies and the corresponding truths that we have been wrestling with and Christians mocked and attacked where even I have been given reprisals from Christians whose luke warm sugary Christian walk gives me sugar diabetes it makes me sick.

To know them and to recognize them and to respond to these lies is not enough. These are but the polluted streams from which continually springs shades of deceptions. Subtleties that come our way in part come from Satan's five basic areas of attack. These areas are the media, secular education, secular counseling, entertainment and organized religion. All of these report, teach, reinforce, demonstrate and accept the standards of the world.

What are the patterns? Is Satan stupid? Does He always work from the same battle plan? I am here to tell you this morning from the Word of God that he is not stupid. The Scripture says that he is more subtle, more cunning and more deceptive than any other creature. He is no dummy. But, he does have a one-track mind or at least a four-track mind. There are four ways or places that he always surfaces. This is where I deal with him inside you.

In Matthew 13, we know that he is a tare sower. He loves to put fakes among the real thing. He is a seed snatcher. He loves to steal the truth before it takes root in the Christian's life. In 2 Corinthians 4, we are told that Satan loves to blind the eyes of unbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. In John 8, we are told he is the father of lies, the father of all unbelievers and he cannot tell the truth.

1 Timothy 3:6 tells us that he is the perfect illustration of what happens when you try to be your own god. In Luke 13, we are told that he binds men through their physical circumstances. In Luke 22, we read that he desires to sift Christians until they fall. In Acts 5, we see that he fills men's hearts to lie.

In 1 Corinthians 7, we see that he loves to destroy marriages through temptation. In 2 Corinthians 2, we read that he battles to keep Christians from seeking forgiveness from one another. In Revelation 12, we see that he knows that his time is short.


Satan said, “Jesus, do a miracle. God will save You.” “Jesus, eat the rock, God will turn it into bread.” “Jesus, all of this physical kingdom can be Yours.” “Eve, eat of the tree, that is what we are here for. Eat, drink and be merry.”

Satan also wants to destroy the deep, spiritual truths that lie beneath those physical conflicts. You accuse me of Bigotry but we deal with a deeper truth when we were talking about sexual purity. The reason that sex outside of marriage is always wrong, The reason Gay sex is an abomination and is ALWAYS wrong is not just because of what it does to the commandment of God, but because it violates the spiritual principle that a man cannot find God without a commitment to Jesus Christ.

A man cannot find physical satisfaction without a commitment to marriage. One man and One woman.

It is the picture, the portrait of salvation.

Then there is the picture of the home, the heavenly home with the heavenly Father. This is why Satan wants to destroy the home and the Family. Why does Satan want to destroy marriage? Because he wants us to believe that there is no security in Jesus Christ.

He wants us to believe that the marriage that represents the relationship between Christ and the church can be broken.

Why is it that he wants to do away with discipline? He wants us to believe that there is no divine discipline. He wants us to believe that there is no hell.


Why is it that he wants to do away with responsibility and rewards through accomplishments? He wants us to believe that there is no Bema Seat, that there is no reward for the believer beyond this life and why we see so many threads in favor of socialism, gay marriage evolution being fact more obvious than gravity and tolerance is NOT something we should EVER have to put up with when the fact is all anyone ever does with gays who are activists in getting the sheep to accept their sin is TOLERATE THEM.



He wants to do away with the Bible, because he wants us to believe that there are not absolutes and why we see that said so often by a generation of fatherless boys who buy into that lie. They have told me on this very forum their are no absolutes and I have asked them if they are absolutley sure and they are dumbfounded choking on the dust of their own regrets.

Who you serve wants us to do away with national security, because he wants us to believe that in the spiritual realm there are no real enemies, no real conflict, no real conclusions and no real distinctions. On a grand scale He wants to do battle in the physical realm, while tries to destroy spiritual truth.

The real conflict, is that as a Christian, I am standing on absolute truth under absolute, God-derived authority. I recognize truth comes only from God.

Only a lie comes from the enemy.


Satan, in these last days, is determined to behave just like I have seen on ATS. He is a defeated foe and the witch crafted threats you have petitioned against me are against he that is in me and he is the Christ that has already CRUSHED the entity that you are host to.

The clock of history is at 11:55. Like a mad man, he is frantically ranting and raving to the delight of the crowd of your like minded friends you exchange your props and have impressed with your reptilian ways. God is not impressed and I am undawnted by your seething cauldron of hate and demon seeded venom vomited from its place of origin the bowels of the bowels of hell where he will be cast down as your host is dragged down with you I rebuke your threats in the name of the lord Jesus Christ and you will call him lord of lords king king of kings for he is the Alpha and Omega, the lion of Judah and he is God almighty who will slay satan with the power of his word.

you have But, at this prescribed moment in history, the song of victory that was penned on that Roman cross, will break forth from those grandstands. The executioner will step forward to complete the pre-ordained role.

Below that, we see his conflict with Eve in the garden. She, too, acknowledges his philosophy. No absolutes. No authority. Unaware of the real conflict, she chooses the physical pleasure rather than the will of God. She became her own boss just long enough to become Satan's slave. All mankind was thus cursed with sin.

It is his last ditch effort to avoid a sentence, but it didn't work. About three years later, on a Roman cross, Satan's death knoll was finally complete. His future was sealed. It was all over for him.

We then see some 2,000 years or so below that, the Church Age. This is the age in which we live.

Now the Holy Spirit has been placed in the believer. Now demonic warfare goes on between the agents of the enemy and the spirit of God within the Christian. The pressure begins to build as the 2,000 years pass. By the end of the age, the struggle gets intense. The conflict heightens more and more as the age draws to a close. We hear, “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man. Decadence, open rebellion, the outpouring of the wrath of Satan.” But, also there is the potential that God would anoint His people with the Spirit.


The Churchs are empty of its once overflowing attendance, be not presumptuous in thinking our numbers have fallen for many we have built those churches and they are on the computers of every one my post speaks to

There will be an awakening of the saints, a revival in the church, and an outpouring of God's power throughout the world as people come to know Christ as never before.

We see that as this age draws to a close and to a climax, it builds and builds. The lies of Satan become more visible. The spiritual conflict becomes more intense. There are more natural disasters. There are more emerging cults and false Messiahs. There is the re-emergence of Israel. There is the hatred in the Mideast as it boils and festers like a cancer. There is a gulf and disparity between the have's and the have nots. There is a growing fear of a New World Order and moments where we witness those beings who you have had slip in and out of our finite dimension keep getting more frequent as you get as many as you can to accept them as ET's but are nothing more than the fallen still trying to usurp our resurectable body

This is the exciting part. At this time in history, the church of Jesus is small in number but No matter how you place this in the scheme of events, it will make no difference in what I am trying to share in this post. I am placing this at the beginning of the tribulation, because I believe this is when the church will be raptured.

Then comes Armageddon. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ in all of His glory follows. Satan is then thrown into the bottomless pit. Then he will be cast into the lake of fire forever and forever and forever. This is the truth. This is where Satan is headed.

Satan's biggest lie of all is that he will always be in charge of this world. That too is a LIE.

2 Peter 3:3 says, “knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days, scoffers like you and you amongst them, walking after their own lusts.” Here comes Satan's story saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? It has been so long. Maybe the Father has been asleep all of these years. Things continue as they were since the beginning of creation. What is going to happen?” Peter goes on to say,

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, “Where is the promise of His coming?” For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God's most blessed truth is that except for the mercy of God, it would have been all over for Satan a long time ago. He is on borrowed time. Because of the righteousness of God, the promise of God will not fail. First, He will come for us. We read in 1 Thessalonians 4,

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 25:30 says,

When the Son of Man shall come in His glory with the angels, then with Him, He shall sit on the throne in His great glory.


The Scripture teaches us that on that day, every knee will bow. On that day, every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is God to the glory of the Father. When this happens, we won't have to listen to Satan's lies anymore. Revelation 20:10 says,then the devil will again be thrown in the lake of fire to be tormented day and night forever.

This is why Satan is fighting so hard. His executioner stands before him. That is why it is such an exciting time to be alive, if you are a Christian.

If you are not a Christian, this is not an exciting time to be alive, is it? There is depression. There is economic instability. There is the threat of war. Inflation, Depression. We really don't know what the future holds, but it doesn't look good from the world's perspective.

I would just like to tell you that there is Good News.

This world is not our home. The King of kings is poised on the pedestal of history, just about to emerge to take those who he came to save and are his home forever. If you have never received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you can do that right now by simply acknowledging the fact that you cannot be your own boss, that you cannot be your own god. You need to admit that you have been separated from God because of the sin in your life.

Once and for all right now, you can accept the payment He made for your sins for all of eternity. So BE ADVISED: praise God,

He is coming back and he is ticked off

So who will you serve Deltapan

I know who you serve

and he is a liar


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posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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[quoteI am all for free speech, but not for hate speech.

I don't think people should be thrown into jail for their views, but spewing hatred and bigotry and ignorance has no positive impact on society.

I am a christian, my wife is black ... i'm white, we have muslim relatives, one of my best friends is jewish. I tell you this so you don't instantly think that i am some neo nazi when i say what i have to say.

I do not think that speach should be sensored so much as the forum or location you can say things. For example if someone goes to a church and they wish to teach that being gay is a sin (for the record i don't think it is that black and white) then i think that is okay. I also have gay friends and relatives. It is being done in the location where you might expect to find that sort of thing.

However when religious jack asses go out and picket a gay marrage or try to disrupt some other gay activity then each and every person involved should be tossed in jail and charged with hate crimes.

I am using gay and religion as an example simple because it is always a hot topic. however if a group of gays arrive at a church during sunday mass thinking it will be cool to turn the tables and shout that the bible is hate literature then they should be arrested and tossed in jail just as quickly.

The number one rule in life is that it is impossible to ever be politically correct. If i eat a pork sandwich in front of a muslim - it can be called a hate crime. There ain't nothing hateful about bacon. If you cheer when people are sensored as to what they can say and do you might find that it comes back and bites you in the ass when you are suddenly sensored.

I'm playing devils advocate here but one day christians get sensored and in trouble for saying being gay is not biblical. People who consider all relgions as haters rejoice. But then the government says well by that mentallity gay pride parades are hate crimes against the straight people because it forces them to be surrounded by all gay people (mostly). What if i'm straight and very homophobic and your parade comes past my house or business. Isn't that forcing me to listen or see your side of things? You might say - just look away if you don't like it ... but i guess we could all turn the other cheek if thats the case.

In the end as soon as you support the censorship of one group you invite your group to be sencored. I am religious. I do not hate gays or anyone, I think the bible says "judge not, lest you be judged" and "Love thy neighbor." Any organization that pickets or speakout PUBLICLY against another should be charged. But i f you begin to sensor what is said in ones own home, church, private conversations ... well how far are we then from 'Big Brother Is Watching You!'



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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To day that hate speech isnt free speech is applying a double standard... all speech must be free in order for our freedoms to remain. When one is taken away all will be eventually. You simply can't pick and choose which words are to be free and which are to be banned. Freedom for all or freedom for none.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by DeltaPan


I don't warn them twice, they want to keep pissing somebody like me off it's their own lookout if their outstanding bad karma revisits them to the power of three.

Hope they've balanced their books.




The four things that Satan cannot stand are: absolute truth, God-derived authority, an understanding of the battle, and the spiritual conflict that is involved. Watch for Satan in these four areas. This is how Satan Works:

Nine things that Satan loves to do.

1- His timing is generally, carefully planned. In the garden, he waits until Eve is alone and until she is in the position to listen to the voice of a stranger. At the point of her greatest emotional need, he comes at her. In the wilderness, he waits for Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights. At the point of Jesus' greatest physical need, after fasting for that entire time, Satan approaches him. Your greatest spiritual tests will come at the point of your greatest emotional and physical need. He knows when the lies should come.

2- He is a master of overkill and unanswerable questions. He said to Eve, “Hath God not said that you cannot eat anything?” In our modern times that can be translated into, “Is God trying to put you on Weight Watchers?” Satan puts different questions in our minds such as, “How can a God of love allow war to go on? How can a God of love allow death to go on?” Satan asks questions that the natural mind cannot answer.

3- He is a master at innuendo that undermine the character of God with “if”s. He says such things as, “IF Thou are the Son of God,” as we see in Matthew 4. Twice he said this statement. Have you ever heard him say that? “IF you really are a Christian... ” “IF your conversion was real... ” “IF God answers prayer... ” “IF Jesus were coming again... ” Satan is the master of the “IF”.

4- He loves to question the reasonableness of God's Word. “How can God be so narrow? He says, ÔEat this but don't eat that.' What difference can a tree make?” Satan says, “What do you mean that you cannot lie? Even here? How unreasonable.” This causes people to think, “Why can't I steal? I am hungry. How unreasonable.”

5- He loves to get the Christian on the defense. Eve had to come back and say, “God did say that, I heard Him.” She was now defending God. Three times, Jesus had to come back with the statement, “It is written... ” “It is written... ” “It is written... ”

6- He always minimizes the consequences of disobedience. He told Eve, “Thou shalt not surely die.” “You've got to be kidding. God is teasing you.” “No God of love would follow through.” This is a lie. No, a God of love would not keep His Word.

7- He ultimately questions the motives of God. He said to Eve, “You can be just like God. The problem is that God wants to keep you His slave.” This is true. The point that Eve did recognize is that we were designed in the image of God to reflect the will of God. Every man and woman was designed to be a slave to someone. The question was, “Choose you this day whom you will serve” not “If you will serve.” If you are not a slave to God, you are automatically a slave to His enemy.

Where did you copy and paste from?
You're supposed to cite external sources
FYI.

Many claim that being gay is a choice and is not genetic. Here is the problem with that mentality.
If you or anyone else believe that being gay is a CHOICE, then you and every other person saying this must also be physically attracted to the same sex and the only reason you don't act on your sexual attraction is that you CHOOSE not to. This also means that you and everyone else is partially gay and thus an afront to god

Which means that Aermacch is gay but chooses not to act on his "gayness"


When I was young and found out a co-worker was gay, the first thing that entered my mind is, "I don't get, why would one guy want to have sex with another". It just didn't make sense to me as I am not attracted to men. I couldn't wrap my brain around it.
The second thought I had was, I guess that's the exact same way they feel about my heterosexual lifestyle.
My third thought was, live and let live. It's not for me to judge them.

When Aermacch becomes an adult, he will hopefully mature and gain some wisdom and realize that there are many, many different types of people, with many, many different beliefs. Also hopefully, he'll realize that his HATE SPEECH was the product of youth and a lack of wisdom, understanding and tolerance.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
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To day that hate speech isnt free speech is applying a double standard... all speech must be free in order for our freedoms to remain. When one is taken away all will be eventually. You simply can't pick and choose which words are to be free and which are to be banned. Freedom for all or freedom for none.


There is no such thing as unlimited free speech.
One cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre.
One cannot accuse someone of crimes they know were not committed.

Free speech has it's limits.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Well said jfj123!


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Hi Shunsu.

Your viewpoint as a Christian makes a lot of sense my friend.

One i can respect!

Paxus.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Where did you copy and paste from?
You're supposed to cite external sources
FYI.


Let me help...


Here is a LINKY (



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Most of you folks are arguing and debating a placebo here.

Anytime government sponsors such a bill ...it is for the purpose of getting or acquiring votes. Particularly in certain high electorial vote states where many of the target groups are to be found. They intend to limit opposition to the vote program and sponsor approval of those whose votes they desire.
This is an attempt to neutralize opposition while on the otherside getting the votes they need. A default setting or rule allowing the body politic to play through unfettered or unquestioned for benefit at the expense of others of whom they disapprove.

Soon enough ...just like on the abortion issue ...you cannot run for any office in the land unless you give your views on this or that to show that you are not involved in hate speech or hate thinking.

This is nothing more than CENSORSHIP for votes.

Are any of you old enough to remember when you could not run for any office in the land unless you gave your views on abortion?? I do. Abortion became the litmus test in qualification for any office in the land. It mattered not whether you were qualified to do the job..the key qualification index became your views on abortion. Abortion issues became censorship back then. Hate speech will become the new censorship.

This very fingerprint is playing havoc in the UK and Australia today.

This hate speech legislation will become the same pattern. Not whether you are qualified or able to think any concept through reasonably or logically...but is it hate speech under any definition they want to make and change as necessary.
Thinking and conducting your actions for yourself and for your benefit will become obsolete under this template/law.
It will become 1984 and George Orwell happening right in front of you and for votes...lucre and power.

It is a default setting...like this computer...it allows some to play through unquestioned and unfettered at the expense of others. It is textbook politics..also called whoredom. Selling bartering, or trading the souls of some for the benefit of others.

THis is about securing votes people..in high electorial vote states. In other words another way of rigging the show.

This also means the end of sites like ATS/BTS.

Most of you here are debating a placebo.


Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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well here we go again.. yes he said judge rightly, and you are not... you are useing church propaganda , and not jesus's teachings.. people like you love to quote the bible no matter how its been manipulated by the church.. which has been shown on many occasions.. jesus said there will be many who come in his name but to test it against what he was saying.. and that in itself should be apparent.. but as usual some people just bury their heads in the sand to avoid the truth..as you said but you are the one playing the hypocrate. by trying and failing to hide behind scripture.. do a little history on the translations.. and youll see who and how it was manipulated to push a totaltarian agenda.. and as far as being a child, of the grave or otherwise.. again it is you thats being a child..



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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very well said. and i have to agree with you ,but i think we need to read what the bill preposes before we can say that this is the case..as some one pointed out earlier.. i think it was either semper or jf123 that the op was misleading.. it doesnt stop anyone from saying what they believe biblicaly, how ever the point of the bill is to stop the hatemongering cloaked in the face of the church.. as in like the phelps family..



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Examples of some things the bible advocates:
www.beyondweird.com...


(Genesis 19:33-36)
Most of us would say that incest is against the interests of the family. Yet Lot, whom the Bible considers to be a very good man, had sex with his two daughters ; and there was no punishment for either Lot or the daughters.



In order to gain favor with a king, Abraham said that his wife was his sister, and offered her to the king for sex. This happened twice (Genesis 12:11 and Genesis 20:2). Isaac did a similar thing (Genesis 26:6). And Lot (Genesis 19:8) once offered his virgin daughters to be used by a mob at Sodom. (St. Peter called Lot a "righteous man", 2 Peter 2:8)



Jacob tricked his own brother Esau of his inheritance (Genesis
25:31-33). Then he lied to his dying father about it (Genesis
27:19). And the god loved Jacob and hated Esau, the victim
(Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13).



The last of the plagues brought upon the Egyptians was the death of all their first-born children, because "The Lord hardened the heart of Pharoah" (Exodus 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10). Couldn't he have SOFTENED Pharoah's heart and spared all those innocent children? Maybe Egyptian families don't matter.



Jesus promised his followers great rewards if they would desert their wives and children (Matt. 19:29). And in the old testament
too, it was good for men to "put away their wives" (Ezra 10:19).


Some people seem to put their complete faith into a book that advocates:
-Incest
-Wife swapping/pimping
-Turning ones daughters into sex slaves
-lying and stealing
-killing of innocent newborn babies
-rewarding desertion of ones family

and many, many, many more things like this.

Before someone puts all of their faith into a book written by man, instead of by god, read what's really in it.
It's no wonder some of us here hate so much with all the twisted ideals delivered through the good book.

What's wrong with just trying to live a good life and care for your fellow man and woman?



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posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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very well said. and i have to agree with you ,but i think we need to read what the bill preposes before we can say that this is the case..as some one pointed out earlier.. i think it was either semper or jf123 that the op was misleading.. it doesnt stop anyone from saying what they believe biblicaly, how ever the point of the bill is to stop the hatemongering cloaked in the face of the church.. as in like the phelps family..


excellent point.

Nice to see another voice of reason


Let me give an example to others who question the bill

The bill doesn't say that the phelp's family can't say this:


If you watch the video, you'll notice that both mrs. phelp's and another poster here are both stuck on the word and meaning of abomination.
Makes me wonder if one of the Westburo church members are posting here ??????

What the bill does say is that if they say those things while beating a gay person, it can then be considered a hate crime in addition to an assault and battery.

Simply expressing your opinion, regardless of how stupid it may be, such as in the phelp's case, will not be illegal.


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posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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You know, I consider myself a Christian and all, not ashamed to say it, but some of the fear-mongering I hear out of other "Christians" makes me frigging sick to my stomach. Do this, do that, this way, that way, or you are going to burn.

We are not here to judge, and that's one of the virtues of Christianity. Forgiveness, and not judging others. If anyone wants to come on here bashing others because they are some other religion other than a follower of Christ, that just makes you a hypocrite. If you are atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Scientologist, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I could care less. I'm not trying to ram my beliefs down your throat.

People are idiots.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by BIG MOONIE FRESH
You know, I consider myself a Christian and all, not ashamed to say it, but some of the fear-mongering I hear out of other "Christians" makes me frigging sick to my stomach. Do this, do that, this way, that way, or you are going to burn.

We are not here to judge, and that's one of the virtues of Christianity. Forgiveness, and not judging others. If anyone wants to come on here bashing others because they are some other religion other than a follower of Christ, that just makes you a hypocrite. If you are atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Scientologist, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I could care less. I'm not trying to ram my beliefs down your throat.

People are idiots.


Well said that person!


Paxus.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Aermacchi


Many claim that being gay is a choice and is not genetic. Here is the problem with that mentality.
If you or anyone else believe that being gay is a CHOICE, then you and every other person saying this must also be physically attracted to the same sex and the only reason you don't act on your sexual attraction is that you CHOOSE not to. This also means that you and everyone else is partially gay and thus an afront to god

Which means that Aermacch is gay but chooses not to act on his "gayness"


When I was young and found out a co-worker was gay, the first thing that entered my mind is, "I don't get, why would one guy want to have sex with another". It just didn't make sense to me as I am not attracted to men. I couldn't wrap my brain around it.
The second thought I had was, I guess that's the exact same way they feel about my heterosexual lifestyle.
My third thought was, live and let live. It's not for me to judge them.

When Aermacch becomes an adult, he will hopefully mature and gain some wisdom and realize that there are many, many different types of people, with many, many different beliefs. Also hopefully, he'll realize that his HATE SPEECH was the product of youth and a lack of wisdom, understanding and tolerance.


Aermacci will never know of his hatefulness because that would go against his paradigm. Outside his very small world in which he himself is the center of. he is the very spawn of that which he preaches and wishes he could be rid of.




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