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The only way we will ever know, is if a NEW governing body takes over and decides to lay-bare the lies, murder, and treachery of the previous leadership.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Which is about as likely as George Bush reciting Shakespeare's King Lear by heart. See here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
What I said before:
Barium Nitrate is an oxidising metallic element similar to iron. You have to remember the composition of "Thermate" is not uniform, just like other destructive compounds like C-4/Semtex/RDX (which are all plastic explosives).
Hence different corporations who produce Thermate will use different substitutes, instead of Barium Nitrate, they might have substituted with another oxidising metal like Iron.
The lack of sulphur in the analysis can probably best be explained by the fact that it is a multivalent NON-METAL and most of it burns up in the initial ignition reaction.
Substituting iron for barium nitrate would then make an iron rich thermite which may or may not readily ignite.
Iron(III) oxide is also used in an extremely exothermic reaction called a thermite reaction.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by pteridine
Barium nitrate is formed by combining alkaline Barium, which a is metal, with Nitrate ions, a highly corrosive salt of Nitric Acid.
Hence you get a soft, white, solid, metallic compound that is soluble.
Substituting iron for barium nitrate would then make an iron rich thermite which may or may not readily ignite.
Iron is one of the fastest oxidising metals there is. In an air-rich exothermic reaction Iron oxides would give off a lot of oxygen to burn, thus speeding up the reaction.
Iron(III) oxide is also used in an extremely exothermic reaction called a thermite reaction.
Iron Oxide
Iron Oxides can indeed be substituted for Barium Nitrates in the composition of Thermate.
[edit on 6/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]
You do not understand the chemistry.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by pteridine
You do not understand the chemistry.
You're the one who laughably claimed "Iron is not an oxidising metal", so don't give me your "holier-than-thou" attitude.
The point is Iron Oxides can be used in the formation of Thermate instead of Barium Nitrate. Which might possibly explain the absence of Barium nitrate.
Iron(III) oxide—also known as ferric oxide, Hematite, red iron oxide, synthetic maghemite, colcothar, or simply rust—is one of the several oxide compounds of iron,
Or it could simply be rust.
Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by billybob
really. acetylene torches? that is completely wrong. there is NOTHING to do with acetylene torches.
Well, on page 15, Step 5, tell me what they are doing? I read it. It is written so a layman can understand what they are trying to accomplish and they did not find anything but a...it might be....
Originally posted by esdad71
There was NOTHING to prove nano-thermite was used. It was an inconclusive test. Acetylene torches and nothing else.
Actually, This thread should be closed for misidentifying itself in the title as there was NO active super thermite found. Just some concrete and paint...
Abstract: We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in
this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 ˚C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
Keywords: Scanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, Differential scanning calorimetry, DSC analysis, World Trade Center, WTC dust, 9/11, Iron-rich microspheres, Thermite, Super-thermite, Energetic nanocomposites,
Nano-thermite.
Originally posted by esdad71
Have any of you read the article? Did any of you take the time? I would wager that not 1 in 10 of the posters of this thread read it. That is why you all sound so silly in this case. There is NO evidence of active super nano thermite!!!!!
4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin plate-like structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nano-thermite or super-thermite.