Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubbl

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubbl


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A team of nine scientists have unearthed startling data from dust gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on 9/11. They discovered that scattered throughout the dust samples were red and gray chips of 'active thermitic material', or an un-reacted pyrotechnic explosive.
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Thanks in advance ....


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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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What interest me most is “These observations reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhere; available papers describe this material as an intimate mixture of UFG[Ultra-fine grain] aluminum and iron oxide in nano-thermite composites to form pyrotechnics or explosives. Commercially available thermite behaves as an incendiary when ignited, but when the ingredients are ultra-fine grain and are intimately mixed, this 'nano-thermite' reacts very rapidly, even explosively, and is sometimes referred to as 'super-thermite',” the report explains."

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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So why exactly isn't this being shown to the courts or start a legal battle which if this report is true proves conclusively that 9/11 was an inside job?
Instead of just talking why does no one ever take action?..



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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there is a lot of people who do take action. it is just a long battle my friend. but I am sure one day fight will be over.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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So why exactly isn't this being shown to the courts or start a legal battle which if this report is true proves conclusively that 9/11 was an inside job?


It doesn't. It simply proves thermite was present in the rubble of WTC, which most of us knew back since 2004.

Thermite being present in the rubble is a far cry from proving actual demolitions charges took down the towers; as much as I would like to see that proven.

You can't exactly build a case against the United States government for deliberating killing it's own civilians on circumstantial evidence.

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 08:17 AM
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This was also in that article...



Thermite is used in steel welding, fireworks shows, and hand grenades.


Weren't these steel buildings? Wouldn't there have been a tremendous amount of welding that went on there? If the buildings were ground up as they fell, wouldn't there be traces of this material everywhere?

I don't know, I'm just asking.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Weren't these steel buildings? Wouldn't there have been a tremendous amount of welding that went on there?


Arc Welders and MIG Welders are the two most common types of metal welding in use in construction.
The temperatures generated by the electrical current don't exceed anything above the 1000C mark.

Thermite on the other hand generates temperatures of over 3000C, higher than the melting points of iron and most types of steel.

So while it would have a limited usage as a welding medium, the extremely high temperatures means it would only be useful for welding extremely heat-resistant materials together.

It's far more suited to pyrotechnics, because it's able to generate a very focused, very intense burst of heat that can cut through almost anything, including reinforced concrete.
Making it ideal for controlled demolition.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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so, just wondering here out loud, given the wealth of material out there on thermite, is it not entirely feasible and likely that these raw materials were present in most everyday skyscrapers, combined with an airplane or two?

One would think that the action of an entire building coming down could cause these materials to appear, ground up, and given a few all too likely instances, even burn some of it? or is it easier to find any chemical compound, that could be a product of thermite or any number of other reactions and then jump up and down like horny monkeys screaming inside job?

sorry, its just not adding up yet.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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Read my previous post. Thermite is simply too hot to be used to weld common construction materials like steel, iron and corrugated metals because it would melt them instantly.

It simply burns at too high a temperature to be a useful welding medium. It might have limited use in welding heat-resistant compounds or fire-retardant materials used in skyscrapers but not ordinary steel and things like that.

Thermite is best suited to pyrotechnics and demolition.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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"They discovered that scattered throughout the dust samples were red and gray chips of 'active thermitic material', or an un-reacted pyrotechnic explosive."

Chips doesn't sound like nano structured....

"Thermite is used in steel welding, fireworks shows, and hand grenades. It is the combination of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produce a reaction known for extremely high temperatures focused in a very small area for a short period of time. The 'active thermitic material' discovered in the World Trade Center dust was a combination of elemental aluminum and iron oxide, and is a form of thermite known as 'nano-structured super-thermite'."

Wow, imagine that; rust and aluminum dust found in a collapsed skyscraper !!!

thermite was used ages ago as a means of welding railroad rails together. It was a chemical method of welding used when gas welding just didn't get hot enough to weld massive things. Now it is done with electric arc welders.

another note, this article refers to 'nano structured' The thermite i've played with used aluminum 'dust' created by boiling aluminum and allowing it to 'freeze' as atoms as it cooled. Atoms are pretty 'nano' Of course this assumes there was enough heat in the towers to melt aluminum......

Maybe, for once, the authors of this deserve to be punished for prematurely releasing info which is probably totally wrong and can cause harm.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Solomons
So why exactly isn't this being shown to the courts or start a legal battle which if this report is true proves conclusively that 9/11 was an inside job?
Instead of just talking why does no one ever take action?..


Probably because the source is probably wrong, or taking an actual scientific report out of context to put a spin on it to feed their advertising revenue. I mean Raw Story is an "extremist" site if you will favoring conspiracies. This is just bad journalism and headline ripping without any evidence for support or background for understanding...which frankly is what the majority (not all) of the 9/11 Truth movement has provided.

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Let's also not forget that 3 to 4 weeks after the towers came down, the clean-up crew found a molten river of steel flowing underneath the wreckage, People actually claim it looked like some kind of foundry.

911research.wtc7.net...

I'm not a thermite expert but iv'e known of it for over a decade and im pretty sure that jet fuel isnt capable of creating molten steel, especially not if the jet fuel created a chain fire.

Thats something else that never added up for me either, they say jet fuel burns at a certain temperature that can collapse the towers, but it seems like the fires that are reported to have collapsed the towers would have been the building and its contents burning, not the jet fuel.

Do office supplies burn at 2000 degrees?



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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Here is the link to the actual study in the Open Chemical Physics Journal
Volume 2.

I think it would be helpful to this conversation if someone with a chemistry or physics background read it and parse it for the layman in the hopes thaty we can keep from just tossing personally biased specualtions around.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Solomons
So why exactly isn't this being shown to the courts or start a legal battle which if this report is true proves conclusively that 9/11 was an inside job?
Instead of just talking why does no one ever take action?..

The evidence for 9/11 being an inside job is WAY beyond conclusive and individuals like Stanley Hilton have tried legal actions, but the suits are dismissed based on the "Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity."


Stanley Hilton's 9/11 Suit Dismissed, Appeal Pending

SueTheTerrorist.net | January 18 2005

The $7 billion federal class action lawsuit against top Bush Administration officials for, among other things, their roles in engineering and orchestrating the 911 attacks has been dismissed by Judge Illston. Attorney for the plaintiffs, Stanley Hilton is preparing an appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and hopes to reverse the judge's ruling.

Mr. Hilton will be making the fifteen page ruling dismissing the suit available to the public. As soon as SueTheTerrorists.Net webmaster, Abel Ashes (Hull Simmons) receives the document it will be online for all to read and understand the judge's given reasons for dismissing the suit.

Mr. Ashes spoke with Stanley Hilton earlier today and Mr. Hilton informed him that the judge's ruling was based on the "Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity". In other words, the suit was not dismissed because of lack of evidence, but rather because the judge reasoned that U.S. Citizens do not have the right to hold a sitting President accountable for anything, even if the charges include premeditated mass murder and premeditated acts of high treason.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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I downloaded the pdf and reviewed it. I think maybe this is what they found, since it contains Iron Oxide and the WTC had ALOT of aluminum...

Link to red chips


go to page 23 with the conclusions that they have come to. With using an acetylene torch, and applying the flame to the red chips, they observed a piece jump away...you htink? That does not prove thermite. Sorry but nice post.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Double post..

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt
Here is the link to the actual study in the Open Chemical Physics Journal
Volume 2.

I think it would be helpful to this conversation if someone with a chemistry or physics background read it and parse it for the layman in the hopes thaty we can keep from just tossing personally biased specualtions around.


Thanks for posting it and I could understand what you are talking about! Debunkers always start jumping without knowing what they are talking about.!


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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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This is discussed in another thread on ATS www.abovetopsecret.com...'

The fact that the red chips are flat and can be extracted with Methyl Ethyl Ketone [MEK] coupled with the before and after composition by backscatter suggest that they are paint chips.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Yeah, probably just paint chips...

...which created rivers of molten steel and burned for three months:


Seismic Evidence Points to Underground Explosions Causing WTC Collapse
By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
August 28, 2002

Two unexplained "spikes" in the seismic record from September 11 indicate huge bursts of energy shook the ground beneath the World Trade Center's twin towers — just as the buildings began to collapse.

American Free Press has learned of pools of "molten steel" found at the base of the collapsed twin towers weeks after the collapse. Although the energy source for these incredibly hot areas has yet to be explained, New York seismometers recorded huge bursts of energy, which caused unexplained seismic "spikes" at the beginning of each collapse. These spikes suggest that massive underground explosions may have literally knocked the towers off their foundations causing them to collapse.

"MOLTEN STEEL"

In the basements of the collapsed towers, where the 47 central support columns connected with the bedrock, hot spots of "literally molten steel" were discovered more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, could explain how these crucial structural supports failed.

Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, New York, told AFP that he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at the World Trade Center. Tully was contracted on September 11 to remove the debris from the site.

Tully called Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Maryland, for consultation about removing the debris. CDI calls itself "the innovator and global leader in the controlled demolition and implosion of structures."

Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation.

AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.



WTC Fires All But Defeated
CBS News
December 19, 2001

Firefighters have extinguished almost all but the last remnants of underground fires that have burned at the World Trade Center site for more than three months since the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. The fires that began with the Sept. 11 attacks had been strong enough that firetrucks had to spray a nearly constant jet of water on them. At times, the flames slowed the work of clearing the site. "You couldn't even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there," said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. "It was like you were creating a giant lake." [CBS News]



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Molten rivers of metal and red paint chips thought to be thermite are TWO totally different conversations.

Based on reading the memo they produced they were paint chips. If it was active thermite, they could have made a reaction, made a video and had some credibility. Do you not think so???

People, think for yourselves and stop letting other people influence what you believe and who you believe in.





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